You cannot every heal or be cured unless you detox

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peacesoul
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   Posted 9/11/2012 6:14 AM (GMT -6)   
There is no possible way the body can heal from any illness unless you open your pathways to allow the toxins build up from "life" and illness to have a route to leave.

Imagine a bucket of water with debris at the bottom (debris is the illness) and then you go and stir up the bucket (stirring is the treatments like abx or natural abx) and all the debris is floating around but has nowhere to exit.
Now when you detox and open up the pathways (lymph cleansing, liver etc), then once you stir up the bucket, the debris has exits to leave.

Abx alone cannot and will never cure chronic lyme. The only way to cure ANY illness is to get the body back into balance (homeostasis) and keep it clean.

Any illness needs to be treated as a whole as well, so mind, body, spirit. Many of us who have and had Lyme (Myself included) only healed and was cured once all these components were addressed.

In retrospect, I would have cleansed my body well before taking the cocktail of abx (allopathic or natural) that was given to me. I would have cleansed my body first and made it a fighting machine then gone in and kicked it's butt with the abx.

Clean the terrain and then all else follows....
This is just the way I healed and my opinion.....its not up for debate :-)
Jen

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   Posted 9/11/2012 9:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for your thoughts on detoxing, Peacesoul!
Treating with Acupuncture, Traditional & Modern Chinese Medicine & Western Herbs. Before tx, I had all but 20 of the symptoms on the "Master Symptom List" for Lyme disease.

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peacesoul
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   Posted 9/20/2012 7:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Welcome......I wish that more people would actually consider it before treatments.

There is so much misinformation on this illness, it's baffling.
LLMD's are finally being schooled in the art of detoxing, but most people just want a quick cure. It doesn't work that way.

okmom
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   Posted 9/20/2012 6:26 PM (GMT -6)   
What would you say helped you guys detox the most?

jwjjtt
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   Posted 9/20/2012 7:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Jen,

What did you do to detox? I'm currently detoxing before starting the Jernigan at-home protocol. I plan to detox for 2-4 weeks before starting the protocol, and continuing all the way thru, and eve afterward.

I've got ideas for detoxing, but some work better than others - depending on the individual. So, I'm always open for detox ideas.

Jennifer

peacesoul
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   Posted 9/20/2012 8:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I used cellular drainage to detox using gemmotherapies, then I work on the pathways, then clean the terrain.
I wished I know about this when I was sick with Lyme. It took me such a long time to heal on all the abx I was on. I got well only once I started to detox

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   Posted 9/21/2012 8:07 AM (GMT -6)   
The Epsom salt/peroxide soaks will also help in your detox routine, but don't forget to include dry skin brushing!! This helps your skin to do it's job!
Treating with Acupuncture, Traditional & Modern Chinese Medicine & Western Herbs. Before tx, I had all but 20 of the symptoms on the "Master Symptom List" for Lyme disease.

"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP

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WWJD20
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   Posted 9/21/2012 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok, gemmotherapies? What's that mean?

Work on the pathways? How?

Clean the terrain? By food? Supplements? I guess I understand detoxing and the baths and lemon water.

Please share!

Bethany1979
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   Posted 9/21/2012 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
I am completely lost on the detoxing subject. Are these products that you buy?

Marthas Vineyard
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   Posted 9/21/2012 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Chelation is used to detox the body. I did it at the clinic. It took 6 hours a day of chemicals coming into my body through the port that was surgically implanted in my chest. With the 10 inch cathader that then took it down past my heart.
I did it 6 hours a day four days a week. It wasn't pleasant. It supposedly got rid of all the toxins in my body. Which the body pass's in Urine.
This procedure as a whole knocked me on my ass. I had a very hard time standing after much less driving my sick butt back to the hotel.
My other high profile MD in Palm Beach. Told me with a frown that he didn't approve of Chelation.
So....But all in all. I was healed at the clinic.
But in hind sight I don't think it was the chelation. I never worked in a factory. And have been a health nut for ever. I think it was the Oxygen that was pumped into the body. And the colloidal silver.
The only natural abx that Lyme doesn't in fact recognize as a threat and therefore doesn't protect itself from it.

Marthas Vineyard
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   Posted 9/21/2012 12:57 PM (GMT -6)   
But I do agree with the abx comment. Taking tons of Pills, abx will make you sicker than ever.
Most lyme bacteria were breed to be resistant to being cured with most abx. So taking them is a waste of time. And can make the body and mind very ill.

Bethany1979
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   Posted 9/21/2012 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Bred to be resistant?

peacesoul
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   Posted 9/21/2012 3:03 PM (GMT -6)   
WW; gemmotherapies work on a cellular level, Cleaning the cells of all the debris they collect from toxins.
Once the "terrain" of the body is clean and the emunctories are clear, healing is FAST.
Often times during illness, our emunctories are clogged and detoxing is not working well.
No illness can be healed unless our bodies are well detoxed and continued to be well detoxed.

Detox baths and lemon water are awesome, but do not detox at a cellular or emunctory level.

Also, chelation should only be done once cellular drainage is complete. Chelation can make a really toxic person much sicker.
The key is to get the "engines" running smooth before entering the race, so to speak


Also there are many different formulations of gemmo's and they need to be assessed by your practitioner before usng them. Only a schooled practitioner can make a gemmo protocol. If you just order them on line as per your symptoms, you don't get the right info from the site selling them.

Deejavu
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   Posted 9/21/2012 3:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
Peacesoul, I totally agree with you!  I had posted before that if I knew what I know now, I would have detoxed before taking any botanical medicines.  But the bottom line is I am well and have been for a many years now.
 
Bethany, if you read Stephen Buhner's book called "Healing Lyme" you will understand why antibiotics do not work on lyme bacteria.  In my opinion, they do more harm than good. 
 
Gemmotherapy is basically:
 

Gemmotherapy [from Lat. gemma, bud, and New Lat. therapīa, Grk. therapeia, medical treatment] is a form of herbal medicine that uses remedies made principally from the embryonic tissue of various trees and shrubs (the buds and emerging shoots), but also from the reproductive parts (the seeds and catkins) and from newly-grown tissue (the rootlets and the cortex of rootlets). In two instances, remedies are also made from the sap.

This raw material is taken in the Spring (in the case of the seeds, in the Autumn), at the peak time of the tree or shrub’s annual germination, in order to capture the various nutrients, vitamins, plant hormones and enzymes that are released during this process, and which in some cases are only present in the plant at this time. Some practitioners of gemmotherapy (they are rarely referred to as ‘gemmotherapists’) furthermore believe that:

  • the vital energy of trees and shrubs is at its highest point when the new leaves, branches and flowers begin to emerge
  • the vital energy is concentrated in these parts
  • this energy in some way remains in or informs the resulting gemmotherapy remedies; and
  • the efficacy of gemmotherapy remedies is enhanced or explained by it
 
Hope this helps,
Denise
Symptom-free for 6 years ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol.

Our bodies are wise as they can heal themselves, all one has to do is nourish them properly. Thus it's all about the Immune System mixed with Daily Detoxing and a dose of Positive Thinking!

Deejavu
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   Posted 9/21/2012 3:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi again,
 
Below is another good site about gemmotherapy (I would not buy any products unless you are under the care of a certified holistic practitioner):
 
 
Denise
Symptom-free for 6 years ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol.

Our bodies are wise as they can heal themselves, all one has to do is nourish them properly. Thus it's all about the Immune System mixed with Daily Detoxing and a dose of Positive Thinking!

LottaAnsy76
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   Posted 9/21/2012 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I can see how this could be so important . .. I've always thought about how people nowadays do not use the wild plants around them to cleanse ,deworm and detoxify .
Which leads me to a post on this very subject :-)

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   Posted 9/21/2012 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Does anyone know of a practioner in the greater Atlanta area? Is it a pricey therapy? I use all sorts of herbs and supplements but am not familiar with gemmotherapy.
I did have two years prior to antibiotics and a diagnosis during which I did all I knew to heal naturally. Of course it was shooting in the dark, not knowing what I was aiming for. Used things like golden seal, echinacea, vit C, anything I knew to help me heal.
Did not make a turn around until I used antibiotics and at the time I truly did not like taking any medication.
I have spent so much money on various natural treatments, in the thousands. Possibly that is why I have stayed pretty strong with receiving only minimal treatment, 3 weeks or so every few months for the first 10 years, less in the years after.
I feel that it takes hitting Lyme from every direction including prayer and believing that our bodies are designed to heal.
Still I am open to any new information on cleansing out the junk that accumulates.

peacesoul
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   Posted 9/21/2012 9:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Lighterbeing, I sent you an email

Bethany1979
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   Posted 9/22/2012 8:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Deejavu. Very interesting. I went to my local herbal pharmacy yesterday to ask the pharmacologist a few questions. He told me to use a detox tea and cats claw. He also gave me probiotics and told me that I probably should do the course of antibiotics. I guess treatment for lyme is all "a matter of opinion" and varies from physician to physician, person to person. I am hoping the Great Physician will guide me in the right direction.
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