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Lymer
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   Posted 1/6/2013 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
This is embarrassing, but I saw many many of these white things in my stool this morning, ranging in size, but they look like small white seeds or kernels of corn.

Has anyone had this or know what it could be? I have been eating sunflower seeds lately, but these were larger. I can't remember the last time I had corn. Lol

Anyone have any ideas? I'm a little freaked out! Btw it was a normal movement, no diarrhea, etc

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   Posted 1/6/2013 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Most likely it's some kind of food or pills that weren't digested completely. There are all kinds of other possibilities though once you've ruled that out.

My suggestion is to watch what your stools look like for a few days and see if the same thing happens again. Be sure to write this down somewhere with a good description of what you see - it could prove to be very useful later.
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   Posted 1/6/2013 10:30 AM (GMT -6)   
I had these a lot when I first changed my diet quite a bit. Not so bad now though. I looked into it a lot online and there didn't seem to me any major causes for concern - unless it is red or black or your stools become bothersome.

Lymer
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   Posted 1/6/2013 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the replies! I keep reading that this could be a sign of parasites (eggs that look like seeds?). Could it be a symptom of Babesiosis?

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   Posted 1/6/2013 5:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Babesia is a microscopic parasite, so you wouldn't be able to see them. If they are large enough to resemble a kernel of corn, then they are too large for it to be an egg of a parasite. The closest you could come to that is if it were pieces of the parasite, and it's not likely you would see that - not impossible, but not likely.
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Lymer
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   Posted 1/6/2013 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Traveler! I've been taking probitotics and I read that candida can look like this in the stools after die-off. I feel relieved and I will tell myself it this is the case until I can talk to the LLMD about it :)

I know I have major issues with yeast, so it's good to know that the probiotics seem to be helping!

I've also read about the possibility of a herx reaction to yeast die off, are you familiar with this? I thought a herx was specifically related to Lyme, but now I'm curious. If I can find that article again that talks about candida/yeast die off I'll post a link.

Waiting In Fl
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   Posted 1/6/2013 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Me too! I thought it was something to do with all my medical issues! The die-off makes sense as I am currently on IV therapy (2X day Vancomycin). I also have unbelieveable skin leasions and a variety of other bizzare things in my stool. (Dr J in DC thinks it is all related to co-infection issues). The skin leasions and overall feeling terrible is too much to deal with!

Lymer
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   Posted 1/7/2013 12:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Waiting in Fl, I agree it's all very overwhelming!! I also have a lot of skin issues. I'm not even on abx yet, but can't even take a warm bath or shower with getting a rash. I have bumps all over my arms and legs, and many of them are scanning over. They're very small, but frustrating all the same! At least it's winter and I can cover up :)

Did your LLMD mention what co-infections cause the skin and/or stool issues? Did you have the skin issues before you started treatment? How are you feeling since you've started IV therapy?

Sorry for all the questions, there's so much to deal with with this disease! :-/

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   Posted 1/7/2013 7:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Lymer,
I believe it was with yeast infections that the term 'Harrisch-Herxheimer reaction' was first used. I had no idea that you could see such things due to yeast alone! Thanks for the education!! :-)
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   Posted 1/7/2013 12:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Actually, the first Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction was noted during treatment for Syphilis. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction for more details...
-Razzle

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Lymer
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   Posted 1/7/2013 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler-I didn't know either, and I hope it's true!!! If not I'm too freaked out to know what it could be...lol! I noticed this morning that they're still there...and a lot of them :( Anyway, I'm going to do some more research on this, and if I find anything worth noting I'll be sure to post an update!

Razzle, thanks...going to check out that link now.

xrunnerx08
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   Posted 1/7/2013 1:00 PM (GMT -6)   
This is really weird.. but I just started noticing the same exact thing 3 days ago. I have completely normal stools. I have babesiosis duncani, lyme, mycoplasma, and coxsackie.

Im on Mepron, Bactrim, Zithromax. Last week I started Cholestyramine and 3 different parasite cleanses. I wonder what it could be? My guess is that the herbals are killing the florastor, but who knows. But you described it pin point on, small little bits, kinda like corn, but not really, scattered all over. Definitely not left over pill capsules or whatever.

All sorts of different things are happening. One is that I have developed sore spots on the top of my head. Since starting Cholestyramine, my head pressure and decreased a significant amount, which makes me wonder if it was in fact mold suppressing my immune system in the first place, causing all the infections in my body which it was fighting on its own to take over. Who knows what else is inside me.

Lymer
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   Posted 1/7/2013 1:10 PM (GMT -6)   
xrunnerx08, I have the site spots on my head as well! I haven't had this type of "flare" in a few months, but it used to be a very common problem for me. Are you taking probiotics? I'm trying to figure out is there a link there- between taking taking and seeing these things in our stools. I will certainly keep you posted if I find anything significant!

I'm not on any abx yet, just "maintenance" meds for some symptoms (such as pain, muscle spasms, etc), as well as these supplements- magnesium, probiotics and milk thistle.

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   Posted 1/7/2013 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the correction, Razzle!!

Lymer, yes please(!!!) post what you find out!!! And if you are still having this issue and end up talking with your LLMD about it, please let us know what s/he has to say too!

Thanks!!:-)
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xrunnerx08
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   Posted 1/8/2013 10:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Lymer, what have you tested positive for????

Lymer
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   Posted 1/8/2013 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
xrunnerx- unfortunately I haven't seen an LLMD yet. My first lyme test (EIA, i think?), was through my Rheumy and it was positive. My western blot had reactive band 39, etc but is CDC negative. I'm seeing an LLMD Feb 6th.

My Rheumy Dx'ed me with Fibro, hypothyroidism, Vit D def, Depression, etc etc.

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   Posted 1/8/2013 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Isn't it strange how it's so much easier for a lot of docs to believe we have 6 - 10 (or more) different diseases/conditions that settle in our bodies, rather than to think it could be just one? That's always made me just shake my head in frustration! shakehead
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Lymer
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   Posted 1/8/2013 11:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Traveler--I know!!! I forgot to mention GERD, IBS...I mean to me it makes more sense that one thing is causing this stuff!

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   Posted 1/8/2013 4:05 PM (GMT -6)   
It seems like these diseases hit our digestive system real hard. It may be something else, but my primary suspect would be weakened digestion. I'm pretty sure that's been the case for me.

Lymer
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   Posted 1/8/2013 5:22 PM (GMT -6)   
skBM, I agree that I've often thought I have trouble digesting things. Sometimes I can take medication that doesn't do a thing for me, then another time I take it and its too potent. Could that be related? To me it makes sense that it is...

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   Posted 1/9/2013 7:42 AM (GMT -6)   
The intestinal track is the perfect place for the Lyme bacteria (& others of course, the more the merrier, right?eyes). Warm, moist and plenty of destruction to reek! The perfect place for all those biofilms to form and we don't know it until our entire system is affected!

I know for me, my digestive tract has been hit very hard, and mine isn't healing real fast either. I have to constantly monitor and evaluate everything based on what it may do to my stomach/intestines, and so if it will bring on any kind of symptom increases from a flare or from herxing.

This is why I believe intestinal health is a huge part of our healing - hence the posts about pooping and you! If we don't know what is healthy for our intestines, we can't do anything about correcting it! :-)
Treating with Acupuncture, Traditional & Modern Chinese Medicine & Western Herbs. Before tx, I had all but 20 of the symptoms on the "Master Symptom List" for Lyme disease.

"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP

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Waiting In Fl
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   Posted 1/24/2013 8:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry for the late response. I have in bed for 1 month in pain, fatigue, etc. I was dx by a friend (rhumatologist) at 9 months via Western Blot. Six months later my LLMD dx more detailed infections Ignex (Lyme Bart a few others). IV abx for the last five years more on than off. My current round started in Aug.

The skin leasions started 2 years in on my face. Now its my entire body - painful ugly...I had no skin prob before this,

The IVs begin with painful dieoff (flu-like symptoms worse than the original dieoff) fatigue. Mine usually starts with a bang, day 1 lessens then day 3 seems to be worse, then gradually lessens.

I am on a gluten free diet for 3 years and it has absolutly helped.

My stools have been something like a horror movie. All stool samples come up negative for anything.

again sorry so late, I am sure you know what it is like to be unable to function during a flareup. How are you doing now?

I have taken pictures throughtout and would be happy to share and talk with you.

Waiting in fl
Bull's Eye Rash 9/07, Menningitis 10/07 2/08 Lyme test equivocal, LLMD seen 4/08 Igenex Positive, Additional DXS include EBV, CFS, Adrenal Gland Deficiency, Glaucoma, SJ Symdrome like reaction 10/08 ......( I boarded the treatment train beginning with 2 rounds of Rochepin May 2008 &Summer 2008 December 2008......many in between to present (IV Vanco) 10/ 2012 I am sporting my 14th PICC line.

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   Posted 1/24/2013 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey WaitinginFl,
Have you investigated the possibility that you might have something like Morgellon's with those skin lesions? Of course I do hope that's not the case!
Treating with Acupuncture, Traditional & Modern Chinese Medicine & Western Herbs. Before tx, I had all but 20 of the symptoms on the "Master Symptom List" for Lyme disease.

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   Posted 1/24/2013 6:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler, I have 3 docs dx Morgellons. Hillarious for a disease that dosen't exist! (A distant relative of Lyme no doubt!) However, the Morgellons symptoms peaked about 18 months ago, was treated by an ID doc who specializes in Morgellons. So the symptoms now (with the skin leasions) are pain and itching. No colorful threads, movement etc for almost 2 years. Also the shape of the M leasions were all much smaller and uniform in size. I pray that these leasions don't change. Dr J in DC believes I have seen the last of the Morgellons. If anyone is interested in the treatment I had, I'll be happy to share.

I(we all) feel like I am in a horror movie!
Bull's Eye Rash 9/07, Menningitis 10/07 2/08 Lyme test equivocal, LLMD seen 4/08 Igenex Positive, Additional DXS include EBV, CFS, Adrenal Gland Deficiency, Glaucoma, SJ Symdrome like reaction 10/08 ......( I boarded the treatment train beginning with 2 rounds of Rochepin May 2008 &Summer 2008 December 2008......many in between to present (IV Vanco) 10/ 2012 I am sporting my 14th PICC line.

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   Posted 1/27/2013 8:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Wow! That's so awesome that you beat the Morgellons!!! Congrats! And yes, this has been one very strange horror movie!!

Lyme can cause all kinds of rashes and even skin lesions, although you will need to look hard for pictures of skin lesions from Lyme as they are not nearly as common - but I know I've found some! I went through a very short period where I was considering the possibility of having Morgellons myself - scary time! Everything cleared up though with my Lyme/ Bart treatments.
Treating with Acupuncture, Traditional & Modern Chinese Medicine & Western Herbs. Before tx, I had all but 20 of the symptoms on the "Master Symptom List" for Lyme disease.

"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP

Questions about what I've posted or just have questions? Please email me!!! Click on the blue envelope under my screen name
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