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Heathersdad
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   Posted 4/5/2013 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Dr. Mercola has a video and article on Turmeric. My opinion is that anybody with LD and coinfections should be taking this wonderful spice. Please forgive the fact that Dr. Mercola is also advertising his own brand as well. If you want to save money you can order it in bulk like I do. I use the Starwest brand of Turmeric and purchase it from Vitacost.

http://organicindia.mercola.com/herbal-supplements/turmeric.aspx

Don
We are older parents and Heather is our only child. She became so sick and debilitated that we thought that she was going to die, and everything looked so hopeless and bleak. However, God answered our prayers, and used the healing hands of Dr. J. at the Hansa Center to more than restore the health of our precious daughter. I have a moral obligation to help others that are likewise suffering!

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   Posted 4/6/2013 6:22 AM (GMT -6)   
I am a great advocate of Turmeric, I take it together with Boswellia and Rose Hip.

They have helped my pain and inflammation levels enormously,just a word of caution though,it can take quite a while before the full benefits kick in.

So, if you decide to give them a go,a little patience is required but in my opinion it's well worth the wait.

Thanks to these wonderful natural substances I have made it through the darkest times with very few pain killers and that has to be a good thing!

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   Posted 4/6/2013 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
I wish I could take Turmeric and Boswellia - I tried them both, but my food allergies put spikes in the wheels...
I felt sick for 3 days afterwards... mad
(Turmeric is really good with chicken too  :-)  )

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   Posted 4/7/2013 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
I take curcumin, which is of course derived from Tumeric, my LLMD highly recommends it. She said to make sure it has black pepper extract in it to help w/ absorption

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   Posted 4/7/2013 4:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow, very interesting. My acupuncturist gave me a new herb this week to try to address the neuropathy issue and it has turmeric in it! I will start taking it right away! Thanks for the info!

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   Posted 4/7/2013 7:51 PM (GMT -6)   
My LLMD recommends it and I take curcurmin prescription strength from Lee Silsby pharm., I think, and I still take a lot of pain meds but it can't be hurting. I take a lot of herbs and I don't know if any of them are doing anything, but I keep taking them all! I trust my LLMD knows a lot.

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   Posted 4/7/2013 7:57 PM (GMT -6)   
For some people, turmeric will actually work better than curcumin, as the full herb has other properties that work synergistically with the curcumin.

I don't know how I would have gotten along without turmeric! It's been a large part of my pain control and my healing! I take 1500 mgs three times a day.
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   Posted 4/7/2013 8:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I see a lot of good comments here. I personally use turmeric for myself. When i get up in the morning and walk to the bathroom, I don't feel like the tinman with knee pain any longer.

The guy that does cranio-sacral massage on Heather is also an ND and is knowledgeable about a lot of things. He is a 57 y.o. guy that is still into olympic style weightlifting. He has experienced a lot of muscular pain and joint inflammation due to the rigors of his sport. He says that he uses compounded curcumin and it has done wonders for him. Heather has been using it for 2 weeks and it is doing wonders for her. She has been looking for the magical thing that will eliminate the muscular pain from overtraining. It seems that she has found it.

Mystery Illness is correct in that black pepper has a substance that greatly increases the bioavailability of turmeric and curcumin, and is called bioperine. You can purchase bioperine, use black pepper extract, or you can grind relatively fresh black peppercorns. I have already purchased the black peppercorns, but I need to purchase the grinder like they have in the restaurants. I mix up my green shakes, and add my turmeric. I will then just add a twist or two on the pepper grinder, and I will be potentiating the nutrition of my shake, including the turmeric. Heather's curcumin is compounded with the bioperine already in it.

Store bought pepper that is already pre-ground has only low amounts of bioperine, and is next to worthless for the effect that you are looking for.

Don
We are older parents and Heather is our only child. She became so sick and debilitated that we thought that she was going to die, and everything looked so hopeless and bleak. However, God answered our prayers, and used the healing hands of Dr. J. at the Hansa Center to more than restore the health of our precious daughter. I have a moral obligation to help others that are likewise suffering!

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 4/7/2013 7:51:41 PM (GMT-6)


samjones
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   Posted 4/7/2013 10:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Don and Mystery,

Does the bioperine affect anything else? Can it be taken along with other vitamins? Or if I use the black pepper, how much do you have to use to make the bioavailability better?
Undiagnosed lyme, bartonella, anaplasmosis, babs for 25 yrs with a 16 year old that I passed lyme and coninfections to daughter through pregnancy. We both began treatment 1/6/11. Still treating. Daughter will be a success story hopefully in 2013!

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   Posted 4/7/2013 11:07 PM (GMT -6)   
samjones,

I have most often read that Bioperine increases the bioavailibility of Turmeric and Curcumin. I have rarely read that Bioperine increases the bioavailibility of nutrients in general. I have to admit that I don't really know.

I just had a slight stroke of genius- for me at least! Heather's OTC Curcumin is compounded with Bioperine. The proportions for a capsule of Curcumin/Bioperine are as follows: 600mg/10mg. She takes 3/day.

I will tell you that the compounded Curcumin/bioperine is $59 for a months supply. That's pretty steep, and I'm not happy about that expense. Heather is happy though!

As far as the amount of pepper is concerned, I don't know the answer. I guess that I am going to try to find out how many Mg's of Bioperine are in a peppercorn and then go from there. I haven't started to use the peppercorns yet.

Don
We are older parents and Heather is our only child. She became so sick and debilitated that we thought that she was going to die, and everything looked so hopeless and bleak. However, God answered our prayers, and used the healing hands of Dr. J. at the Hansa Center to more than restore the health of our precious daughter. I have a moral obligation to help others that are likewise suffering!

samjones
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   Posted 4/8/2013 12:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Don,

Thanks for the info. I went ahead and googled "how many mg's of Bioperine are in a peppercorn," solely based on your suggestion. And while I didn't find that answer, I did find how it helps for a slew of other things!

http://www.physiciannaturals.com/bioperine-10mg-60-tabs-136.html

http://www.discount-vitamins-herbs.net/bioperine.htm

These are not scientific articles (will dive into that shortly), but certainly sounds like it has incredible potential for really helping out!

Let me know if you find the answer to the amount of mg's in a peppercorn. I will search too.

Thanks Don and Mystery for bringig this up! I love learning about new herbs/vitamins that can help out so much.
Undiagnosed lyme, bartonella, anaplasmosis, babs for 25 yrs with a 16 year old that I passed lyme and coninfections to daughter through pregnancy. We both began treatment 1/6/11. Still treating. Daughter will be a success story hopefully in 2013!

Heathersdad
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   Posted 4/8/2013 1:20 AM (GMT -6)   
It looks like I may have confused some of the terminology a bit. "Piperine" is the active ingredient naturally occurring in black peppercorns of which we are talking about. Bioperine seems to be the patented black pepper extract containing the piperine. It is a product name.

Also, as is the case with anything there are some contraindications for its use. Here is its label:

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Amount Per Serving
% Daily Value
Calcium
28 mg*

2%
Bioperine (Black Pepper Extract)
10 mg



†1% Daily Value not established. No of Servings 5

DOSAGE: As a dietary supplement take 1 tablet with a vitamin supplement 30-60 minites before meals. Do not exceed 2 tablets daily

CAUTION: Do not take Bioperine with medication. if you are pregnant, may become pregant, or breast feeding.
Consult a healthcare professional before use.

Other Ingredients: Cellulose (capsule), rice flour, magnesium stearate(Veg Source), stearic acid(Veg source) and silica

DOES NOT CONTAIN sugar, salt, starch, yeast, gluten, corn, soy,milk, wheat, egg, shellfish or preservatives.

Store in a cool, dry place. Please Recycle.


Don
We are older parents and Heather is our only child. She became so sick and debilitated that we thought that she was going to die, and everything looked so hopeless and bleak. However, God answered our prayers, and used the healing hands of Dr. J. at the Hansa Center to more than restore the health of our precious daughter. I have a moral obligation to help others that are likewise suffering!

Heathersdad
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   Posted 4/9/2013 1:48 AM (GMT -6)   
samjones,

Here is a scientfic article that specifies that Piperine is 4.6%-9.7% of the mass of a black peppercorn. We can use 7% as an average piperine percentage.

http://zyxel-nsa210.lilu2.ch/myweb/public/chimica/Devittori/OC_chimica/OC_08_09/piperina/E000723962_1%5B1%5D.pdf

There are yet 2 other issues to be settled. 1) What is the weight of a black peppercorn, and 2) How much Piperine, or therefore ground fresh black pepper is desirable to take with supplements or a meal?

I have been unable to find any information that answers those questions. Another approach would be to not worry about these issues, and we could just use as much fresh ground pepper as we like. Any amount that we use would be better than nothing. Of course since black pepper is a spice, there are practical limits as to how much we could tolerate.

Any ideas? Can we persuade somebody to find those answers?

Don
We are older parents and Heather is our only child. She became so sick and debilitated that we thought that she was going to die, and everything looked so hopeless and bleak. However, God answered our prayers, and used the healing hands of Dr. J. at the Hansa Center to more than restore the health of our precious daughter. I have a moral obligation to help others that are likewise suffering!

Shelly71
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   Posted 11/25/2013 5:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, I have been on curcumin for about 3 weeks now. My hip pain is almost 100% gone. It was quite severe, esp on my 12 hour work days and at night, rolling side to side.

My question is this: what brands are you all using? I am using enhansa, 150 mg capsules and am on a taper up dose to get to 3 in am and 2 in pm for a 750mg total dose. The cost is $58 per bottle which will be a 1 month supply when I'm tapered up to full dose.

I am finding a lot of less expensive brands out there, but am hesitant to switch until I get some feedback from the experts: you!
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   Posted 11/25/2013 6:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, I fill my own gel capsules with organic ground turmeric. As was discussed above - adding black pepper, or black pepper extract, for better absorption. Also for pain relief, adding in ground ginger and boswellin will greatly increase the pain killing effect.

I take 1500 mgs of turmeric 3 times a day - of course if you are taking just the curcumin, you will need less.
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Heathersdad
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   Posted 11/25/2013 10:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Shelly71,

I am so happy to hear that the curcumin is helping you! That's what this forum is all about.

I just spoke to my wife about Heather's curcumin. She said that we purchase it at a local compounding pharmacy. It doesn't have a brand name as it is made from the raw ingredients at the pharmacy. She thinks that the bottle has 60 - 600 mg capsules. Heather used to take 3/day, but my wife thinks that she now takes 1 or 2 capsules per day because her need to use it has been reduced! I'm sure that Heather's curcumin is very expensive compared to others. I do have confidence that it is of excellent quality however.

Don

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   Posted 11/26/2013 6:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you. Trav, where do you get the tumeric?

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   Posted 11/26/2013 8:58 AM (GMT -6)   
There are brands of turmeric which bind the curcumin to phosphatidyl choline making a phytosome. This increases bioavailability and absorbtion:

http://www.thorne.com/articles/meriva.jsp

iHerb carries some different Meriva Phytosome Curcumin complexes including Thorne, SourceNaturals, and NOW:

http://ca.iherb.com/Meriva-Phytosome-Curcumin

There is also Longvida, which is another type of bioavailable curcumin. Very expensive, but may be worth it if curcumin gives you good results. They claim it can pass the BBB:

http://www.longvida.com/Buy-Longvida-Curcumin.html

Buhner mentions in his new Herbal Antibiotics book that piperine works by opening the tight junctions in the gut allowing greater absorbtion of herbs into the bloodstream.

"Piperine Warning: Under no circumstances should you use piperine for severe intestinal infections such as E. coli 0157:H7 or cholera. Piperine increases intestinal permeability, which can allow the resistant organisms access to the interior of your body in significantly greater numbers. It can make you much sicker."

This statement made me nervous at the time because I know a lot of us are dealing with gut/leaky gut issues. For this reason we use the phytosome.
2008 - insect bite (bruise-like rash) - motor/vocal tics, emotional lability (including rage), age regressive behaviour, low level OCD, urinary frequency, diminished fine motor ability, insomnia. Waxed and waned with strep/viral infections.
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Jan 2011 - shin/forearm pain, cyclic IBS, foot (sole) pain, dizziness, palpitations, chest pain, anxiety/panic attacks, pick-like skull pain, pain and stiffness at base of skull, tingling in extremeties, chills and hot flashes, nightly fever.
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbal, homeopathic treatment with LLMD.

Jan 2013 - Bartonella IgG titers have decreased from 160 (Jun 2011) to 80. CD 57 remains low.

April 2013 - Weaned from abx treatment. Continuing wth Buhner, Byron White, Zhang, methylation/detox protocols, Terry Wahls gf/cf/sf diet. Minimizing EMF exposure

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   Posted 11/26/2013 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I LOVE Turmeric!!!!! It helped me tremendously with Babesia when I had a lot of shortness of breath!
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   Posted 11/26/2013 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
If you guys are having trouble getting organic tumeric in bulk (and cheaply) look into 1st Chinese Herbs.

My problem right now is in eating it....... it tastes horrible and is difficult to hide. However, Im starting to blend it (and black peppercorn, cinnamon, ginger,etc ) into my Chai teas. Im curious if this tea-brewing process makes the active ingredient any less effective?

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   Posted 11/26/2013 8:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Someone here recommended Turmeric for breathing problems that I was having. It felt as if when breathing, my lungs could not absorb the oxygen in the air. After a week of taking it (450mg x 3d) my breathing problems dissipated.

Another benefit that I saw was that my brain fog went away. It went from me forgetting how to do things or what I was doing to very acute brain mentality. I started to remember things from my past such as the color of the blouse that my girlfriend was wearing 35 years ago. I could remember many names of my friends in grammar school. Isn't that weird? After just one week.

By the end of this week I thought that I had found a miracle drug. But a week later I started to get the brain fog again and my mental issues came back. The breathing issues have not returned, which is great.

It seems that I probably need to increase my dosage and wait a few weeks to see if I can get some of the anti-inflammatory benefits from it. My arthritis is real bad right now.

Turmeric is also sold mixed with Bromelain, which like black pepper, enhances the absorbability of Turmeric.

Word of caution: Bromelain can enhance the effects of Amoxicillin, so please be careful if you are on Amoxicillin and want to take Bromelain. Better check with your doctor. I am on Amoxicillin so I have not tried Bromelain to comment on its effects.

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   Posted 11/27/2013 12:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you all. It's good to know that it helps with breathing issues, as I was just diagnosed withr Bart & babs, in addition to lyme. I haven't really had night sweats or air hunger and am hoping this tumeric keeps it away. Then it would be worth every penny. I order vitamins through encapsulations and get a 50% discount with my RN license.
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   Posted 11/27/2013 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Shelly71 said...
Thank you. Trav, where do you get the tumeric?


HI Shelly,
I'm the goofy one here on this forum - I use raw herbs. I get them mainly from our health food store now that my doc has had to move out of state. I fill my own gel capsules with the herb of choice too.
Lyme herbs used: "Chronic Tonic" from www.mistymeadows.org/wendydocs/Lyme Disease.pdf for 9 months

Bart herb - only Houttuynia for 6 months
tx ended 1-2013

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Questions about what I've posted or just have questions? Please email me!!! Click on blue envelope under my screen name.

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   Posted 11/27/2013 10:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Lil Gabby said...
Is the turmeric in capsule or tincture? I also have along with lymes, leaky gut, crohns, sjogrens,and food allergies and a couple other things going on as well. Can one take turmeric with leaky gut? I do not see or ran into any info, that it will hurt with leaky gut. I do have turmeric tincture, but not sure how much one can take or it.

Gabby


Hi Gabby,
I started out using a turmeric tincture that my doc made. She had me use 1 full dropper (30 drops) 2 times a day. I hope that will give you an idea of what you should be using.

Turmeric is one of the herbs mentioned for healing leaky gut syndrome!! So yes, please do use it!
Lyme herbs used: "Chronic Tonic" from www.mistymeadows.org/wendydocs/Lyme Disease.pdf for 9 months

Bart herb - only Houttuynia for 6 months
tx ended 1-2013

Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV

Questions about what I've posted or just have questions? Please email me!!! Click on blue envelope under my screen name.

rowingmom
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   Posted 11/27/2013 11:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Just don't use the brands with piperine added, which could exacerbate your leaky gut according to Buhner.
2008 - insect bite (bruise-like rash) - motor/vocal tics, emotional lability (including rage), age regressive behaviour, low level OCD, urinary frequency, diminished fine motor ability, insomnia. Waxed and waned with strep/viral infections.
2010 - Dx ADHD, motor tic disorder, high functioning aspergers, motor delay, probable PANDAS.
Jan 2011 - shin/forearm pain, cyclic IBS, foot (sole) pain, dizziness, palpitations, chest pain, anxiety/panic attacks, pick-like skull pain, pain and stiffness at base of skull, tingling in extremeties, chills and hot flashes, nightly fever.
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbal, homeopathic treatment with LLMD.

Jan 2013 - Bartonella IgG titers have decreased from 160 (Jun 2011) to 80. CD 57 remains low.

April 2013 - Weaned from abx treatment. Continuing wth Buhner, Byron White, Zhang, methylation/detox protocols, Terry Wahls gf/cf/sf diet. Minimizing EMF exposure

Post Edited (rowingmom) : 11/27/2013 9:49:18 AM (GMT-7)

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