Near Infrared Sauna and Killing Lyme

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Maverick6981
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   Posted 4/11/2016 4:47 PM (GMT -6)   
My buddy recommended near infrared sauna to help kill off Lyme. Has anybody ever used this? These are the following resources:

/saunaspace.com/wellness-shop/sauna-therapy-detoxification-healing/
drlwilson.com/articles/sauna_therapy.htm

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   Posted 4/11/2016 10:41 PM (GMT -6)   
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Chronic late-stage lyme—likely infected in 2000; Clinically dx 3/2014 w/ Babesia, tested positive for Bartonella, CDC-positive for Borellia. Multiple viruses and GI/immune treated first; started AL-Complex in May; started A-Bart and A-Bab in July; have IV port installed and started on Rosephin.
Detox: Pinella, Burbur, Parsley, Milk thistle seed, Burdock root tinctures; japanese knotwee

jrpsf
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   Posted 4/12/2016 12:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Maverick-If you read through this link you will see that she feels strongly that heat (sauna therapy) is a great way to address the infections.

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3611920

I've actually copied the page and emailed it to myself. I started ozone therapy about a month ago and am surprised at the level of results I'm getting. My LLND has me on mitochondrial support and many of the other things she discusses. I think she''s on target.

You can still listen to her segment. It's available through tomorrow mid morning. It's about 45 minutes.
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rowingmom
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   Posted 4/12/2016 8:37 AM (GMT -6)   
We use a near ir sauna. I too first heard about it though Dr L Wilson's site, and after researching far-ir, I became concerned about the EMF exposure (which we were sensitive to, and certainly didn't need more of).

We purchased the single person EcoSauna from Michael Goldstein. He is great - really personable and answers any questions you may have. The sauna's are relatively inexpensive and although you have to put it together yourself, it is easy to do. The site is here:

nearinfraredsauna.com/

There is a good page on the site about near-ir radiation and it's effects on mitochondrial function and collagen production. Several studies have been done by NASA and you can find them if you google around.

Here are some more publications on the effects of near ir and brain/eye diseases:

Targeting the body to protect the brain: inducing neuroprotection with remotely-applied near infrared light
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4396086/

Differential Effects of 670 and 830 nm Red near Infrared Irradiation Therapy: A Comparative Study of Optic Nerve Injury, Retinal Degeneration, Traumatic Brain and Spinal Cord Injury
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0104565

Photobiomodulation with near infrared light mitigates Alzheimer’s disease-related pathology in cerebral cortex – evidence from two transgenic mouse models
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3978916/

We are really, really happy with ours. And although I can't claim that it has cured our lyme/coinfections, it has been a tremendous aid in helping us to feel better.
13 yo daughter:
2010 - Dx ADHD, Tourette’s, Aspergers, motor delay, PANS/PANDAS
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbals/homeopathics
April 2013 - ANA titers negative. Weaned abx. Start Buhner bartonella protocol, methylation/detox protocols, organic PerfectHealthDiet gf/cf/sf. Minimize EMF exposure
Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved

Post Edited (rowingmom) : 4/12/2016 8:56:40 AM (GMT-6)


1000Daisies
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   Posted 4/12/2016 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   
The infrared sauna seems promising!

I tried it with Kid#2 and myself - numerous times over a month timeframe. It made Kid#2 symptoms worse. He couldn't handle it. (He can't handle a lot right now, so it's not just sauna.) For me, it made me more tired. I got no increased energy at all from it.

My functional medicine doctor said Kid#2 just isn't well enough for it at this point with his current issues (perhaps at another time). I would like to try to go back to it at some point.

rowingmom
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   Posted 4/12/2016 3:19 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
The infrared sauna seems promising!

I tried it with Kid#2 and myself - numerous times over a month timeframe. It made Kid#2 symptoms worse. He couldn't handle it. (He can't handle a lot right now, so it's not just sauna.) For me, it made me more tired. I got no increased energy at all from it.

My functional medicine doctor said Kid#2 just isn't well enough for it at this point with his current issues (perhaps at another time). I would like to try to go back to it at some point.


How old is your child? Michael, the manufacturer of our sauna told me not to let K use it until she reached puberty. It is only at that time that a child's sweating response is capable of reacting properly to a sauna.
13 yo daughter:
2010 - Dx ADHD, Tourette’s, Aspergers, motor delay, PANS/PANDAS
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbals/homeopathics
April 2013 - ANA titers negative. Weaned abx. Start Buhner bartonella protocol, methylation/detox protocols, organic PerfectHealthDiet gf/cf/sf. Minimize EMF exposure
Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved

NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 4/12/2016 5:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I made one of these, after hearing about them and their benefits/lack of risks, based on plans I found on the aforementioned Dr. Wilson's website, and with the help of a couple YouTube videos.

Here:
http://drlwilson.com/SAUNAS/SAUNA%20PLANS.html

I am not a very smart and/or handy person, but the design of Sauna Space's saunas seemed so straightforward to me that I had to question whether or not it would be possible for someone to make something similar on their own.

I mean, it seems to just be a frame covered by thick, cotton duck material with a wooden platform for light sockets to be mounted in, and then heat lamps.

They sell the bulbs on their site, not terribly expensive, so I assumed that they were nothing special.

I used PVC pipe, pipe connectors, cotton duck, oak plywood, and Philips heat bulbs, and all the little electronical stuff necessary. All purchased at either my local Menard's or off eBay.

I would prefer to have used all wood, a cover made of hypoallergenic material, and some other more "safe" or "quality" products, but the point was to not have to spend 500 - 1000 dollars. I spent like $200.

The frame and board for the lights was easy enough, taking it slow, but I do not know how a person would make a cover without knowing how to use a sewing machine/have a friend willing. My grandmother made the cover for me.

Again, not a very intelligent or crafty sort of person, but I managed, albeit with some help. Though, I stress that one should know what they are getting into. It takes time and a bit of research to do right. I would not rush it.

It took me like two weeks to get everything together and build. I felt like crap and did not want to rush, stress myself out, worsen symptoms, etc.

NOW, as far as its performance goes, I really cannot attest, as I have barely used mine.

Why?

Well, upon completion, and my first use, it became very apparent to me how necessary it is for a person to be in the right state of health to use these things.

They heat up the body, stimulate the immune system, which triggers the killing off of bacteria. People use them for detoxing, but you could very well be doing more harm than good.

I think I am one of those that stands to do more damage than healing, at least at the moment. I cannot sweat very well in the sauna, though it is super hot, and I fear using it too much to try and open my pores more, as has been suggested. My methylation cycle is screwed up. I may also have thyroid/adrenal issues, which this could also effect, as I believe the infrared stimulates something having to do with the thyroid, and it is said that excessive heat is bad for those with adrenal fatigue/insufficiency.

I said I have barely used it, but I actually do use it sometimes, for just a couple minutes, to raise my core body temperature, when I am feeling extra cold, just to get that little bit of stimulation, which it does a very good job of. What I meant is that I am not using it to its full potential, and do not plan to until I have methylation figured and feel comfortable with my thyroid/adrenal situation.

Anyway.. didn't mean to make the post about ME, just wanted to alert to some of the dangers.

edit: also, apologies if my post appears ugly - it does to me. I am a very ugly human being. It can't be helped, I'm afraid. For what it is worth, I was not born this way. People used to think me beautiful, honest.

Post Edited (NotQuiteAntonio) : 4/12/2016 5:10:35 PM (GMT-6)


rowingmom
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   Posted 4/12/2016 6:41 PM (GMT -6)   
"edit: also, apologies if my post appears ugly - it does to me. I am a very ugly human being. It can't be helped, I'm afraid. For what it is worth, I was not born this way. People used to think me beautiful, honest."

Don't you worry about that. The beautiful person is still there and will be there again. You did a good job building your own sauna, and you will get to use it at some point.

You are right. You can't just jump into the sauna for 30 minutes if your system is not prepared to handle it. It can be a bit stressful - with increased heart rate, respirations etc.

I should have mentioned that I didn't get the sauna until we had been undergoing herbal treatment for some time (probably a year) and were feeling somewhat better.

I have to say that although I was relatively athletic, I was never able to sweat, even exercising in the summer time, before I started using the sauna. I would always wonder why all the other rowers or cyclists had to wear headbands to keep the sweat out of their eyes while working out. Now, finally, I am able to break a sweat.

The only difference between the one you made and the one we use is that ours has reflective foil walls which reflects the light completely around the body. The energy is not absorbed into cloth or wooden walls.
13 yo daughter:
2010 - Dx ADHD, Tourette’s, Aspergers, motor delay, PANS/PANDAS
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbals/homeopathics
April 2013 - ANA titers negative. Weaned abx. Start Buhner bartonella protocol, methylation/detox protocols, organic PerfectHealthDiet gf/cf/sf. Minimize EMF exposure
Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved

Post Edited (rowingmom) : 4/12/2016 6:44:03 PM (GMT-6)


LymeDocSearch
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   Posted 4/9/2017 5:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello all! Due to dizziness and nausea (Lyme and Co-infection), I won't be able to drive while Herxing to visit a gym that has Infrared Saunas. Has anyone purchased a Portable Infrared Negative Ion Sauna with low EMF and how did you feel it worked? Also, are there any that are "No EMF"? If you are aware of a specific model, please post here. Also, I'm currently getting too dizzy during a hot Epsom Salt bath and not sure if root cause is from the Mycoplasma infection or both Lyme and Mycoplasma?

In expressing so much information here, would I be able to handle an Infrared Sauna?

Thanks much for all of your input and support everyone!

julymorning
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   Posted 4/9/2017 8:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I thought the purpose of a sauna of any kind was to de-tox and not to kill Lyme.

If de-toxing is the goal, so as to help your immune function do it's job, yes. But to go into a sauna at the temperatures required for the length of time required to get your core body temp to 107.F where the Lyme bacteria can be directly affected by the heat, you will be killing your own cells while killing the Lyme.
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   Posted 4/10/2017 8:50 AM (GMT -6)   
If you are having issues with a hot bath, I wouldn't encourage you to use a sauna. The heat does kill off some bacteria, and if the person has a high bacterial load or doesn't detox well, then the baths will be hard to deal with. I can't use them because I don't detox well enough.

The heat required to actually be a treatment is much higher than is safe to do at home, as you will need medical personnel standing by to make sure that you don't have seizures and to cool your body back down safely.
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Monkey11
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   Posted 5/5/2017 7:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello, I've been using a infrared sauna for two months now daily and I guarantee it's been part of me getting better. I tested positive for Lyme disease as well as high toxicity to plastics and textiles, and I can't speak for everyone, but for me, there is a definite connection with Lyme disease and toxicity.

I truly do not believe I will get better from Lyme disease until I detox what's in my tissues and cells and the sauna has made all the difference. I also take supplements and eat organic and Paleo.

I say try one out from a local wellness center and see how you respond. I get in daily for 30 min. I did not sweat a drop the first 4 days. Now I sweat a ridiculous amount and always feel better! Good luck.😊

Stetsonva
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   Posted 8/13/2017 1:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey monkey11 what testing did you have performed that revealed textile and plastic excessive exposure? Thank you

Monkey11
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   Posted 8/13/2017 6:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi, it is called GPL-TOX test from Great Plains Labs and it's a non metal toxicity report. Gives great insight to what you might be toxic to due to environmental exposures. A eye opening test! Worth the money!

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   Posted 8/13/2017 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
saunas are VERY IMPORTANT during and after treatment. They

- detox you through sweat, which contains ammonia and other toxins, and relieve your liver/kidneys from removing it

- encourage peripheral circulation, your blood vessels around skin will enlarge and allow more blood and that is why you look like a cooked herring when u exit the sauna. This is excellent simply because spirochetes like to move outside the circulatory system /www.youtube.com/watch?v=smisvMEcYr0 they poke holes in the capillary blood vessels and leave them and they go in the tissue around. So improving circulation makes the immune system go after them more easily in these hard to reach spots. This alone can give u a herx!

- stimulate lymphatic drainage, heat increases the movement speed of lymph which does not have a heart to move it around and relies on body movements and brownian motion /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion to move toxins and debris around until they get cleaned in the lymph nodes.

I do not think the sauna heat will directly kill borrelia, maybe it does at the skin level, but u have borrelia in your heart, brain, joints, blood. Surely that goes deep enough where the sauna heat cannot reach. We are animals that maintain core body temperature constant, it is very hard to upper the temperature and there are specialized clinics that do that, a dangerous procedure... Saunas surely will not make your core temperature rise, so it will not kill borrelia throughout the body. Skin, maybe, but it's irrelevant as treatment option.

Kirky98
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   Posted 8/13/2017 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Maverick6981 said...
My buddy recommended near infrared sauna to help kill off Lyme. Has anybody ever used this? These are the following resources:

/saunaspace.com/wellness-shop/sauna-therapy-detoxification-healing/
drlwilson.com/articles/sauna_therapy.htm


I don't think IR sauna will kill lyme or anything else.

A sauna is a form of detox.

Monkey11
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   Posted 8/13/2017 10:24 AM (GMT -6)   
You both might be right and it might not help everyone but I'm living proof that I was very sick and MUCH better and have had very positive Lyme test through Igenix and Fry Labs and I took NO antibiotics. I only detoxed and the infrared sauna has been huge in things like MAJOR sensitivities being relieved, me being able to sleep again, me being able to eat foods again, and me feeling like I was going to pass out every day. I would not say I'm cured but I'm very functional, which I was not before detox. I would not discourage or say a sauna cannot kill anything until you have tried it. Everyone is different.
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