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magoo2
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   Posted 5/9/2016 5:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Did the dentist test you to see if your body was allergic to the implant or did they just jam an
implant permanently into your body without caring what it does to your immune system for
the rest of your life. its a cheap blood test

The bone can be infected-my guess is your are right about this.

Sad to hear students don't consider what they do your immune system for the rest of your life

Post Edited (magoo2) : 9/27/2017 8:51:42 PM (GMT-6)


hornet599
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   Posted 5/11/2016 5:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Another idea came up by the oral surgeon that I went to consult with today: apiectomy. This means removing the tip of the root canal with infected bone material with a surgery but keeping the tooth.

Do you have experiences? Could it help? I mean, if the bacteries are sealed then it won't be a problem then.

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   Posted 5/11/2016 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
google the words electron microscope and tooth-you can then see how porous a tooth is. Which makes it a great home to bacteria-fungus-virus. When alive you have blood and lymph flowing from inside to out keep you tooth healthy. a root canals kills the tooth-nothing flows through it
You can google many articles on this subject.
There simply is no way to seal all tubules.
PS save the patient not the tooth-I would look for a new oral surgeon-sealing an infection in someone not good

Post Edited (magoo2) : 5/14/2016 5:13:29 PM (GMT-6)


sister7111
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   Posted 5/14/2016 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Peteza...do you know anything about the doctor mentioned in root canal entry...he must be good to be quoted? I am in Fl and don't know who to see.

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   Posted 3/19/2017 11:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi terrance.

I see you have another post (from Dec.of last year) about this Dental group.
In that post you said your friend went to the facility...and now you're posting this, saying you heard through of this through your friends' family doctor.




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darling787
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   Posted 3/20/2017 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
My first lyme sxs appeared literally 1 month after getting 4 root canals. Within months I got all 4 root canaled teeth extracted by a biological dentist. My sxs started to improve but I still have a long way to go. I have no doubt the root canals were a large contributing factor to my illness. Some people just can't have dead teeth in their mouth. At 29 its hard missing my 4 molars but I hope one day I can afford implants or stem cell technology will be further along and they can regrow!
Sick since July 2015 with deep muscle aches, fatigue, and ongoing throat infections. Positive for mycoplasma, strep (ASO 400), and possibly lyme. Current Meds: Vit C, D, b12, Glutatione, l-glutamine, fish oil, magnesium, multi, herbal tincture (cats claw, etc ) On penicillin for strep.

eat2bwell
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   Posted 3/20/2017 10:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I had always wanted to keep my teeth forever. I had 10 root canals and a number of amalgams which were making me very sick. I decided my health was more important than my teeth. Got the bad ones removed by a biological dentist and got my health back. Have heard bad stories about implants so I am happy with the upper denture and partial denture. Most people have health problems because of their teeth and are not aware of it. When I had xrays done of the root canal teeth they looked fine. Had a root canal tooth check after it was removed and it showed very toxic. The teeth that show good on the xray are toxic when they are tested. They are full of toxic bacteria which are making us sick.

https://www.hugginsappliedhealing.com/root-canals-toxic.php

RindyO3
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   Posted 5/10/2017 1:59 AM (GMT -6)   
I thought I had Lyme, so did my immunologist, all my blood markers pointed to it. I knew I had infections in my mouth and knew that I had allergies to the metals in the root canals and crowns (cadmium-yup it is in most root canals, and chromium, more of a rare allergy -- got the Clifford's test.) I got five root canals removed, one so rotten it fell apart. Still felt sick. Had oral galvanism in the mouth as well with two 12-year-old titanium implants;-x-rays did not show that I had lost most of the bone around them. Any metal in the mouth is a bad idea, especially if you have autoimmune--just google oral galvanism! I got a dental DNA tested by DNA Connexions (around $500, March 2016) administered by my new and very competent biological dentist in Tustin, Calif. Results were frightening, even though it ruled out Lyme: 1 staph, 4 types of strep, of 29 different types of bacteria detected, seven cause cardiovascular problems -- I was having heart palpitations multiple times daily, not stress related, confirmed by a very competent cardiologist at UCI. My immunologist said these infections are worse than Lyme. Probably because they will kill you faster, and some are spirochete in form, so very difficult to get rid of. Ozone is my drug of choice. I feel so much better with all that removed. I got my own O3 machine and with the instruction of my doctor can do my own treatments now as needed. Still see the biological dentist for regular O3 cleanings and injections. My jaw areas still hurt when it rains and when I'm detoxing/herxing. The Dental DNA may be a cheaper and faster way to rule out Lyme or to detect some of these other deadly bacteria.

TrialbyLyme
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   Posted 5/10/2017 4:47 AM (GMT -6)   
@Hornett-
I have been around the block with this one recently so I will share my experience and opinion.
I have been posting a lot about it in the recent months so if you search under threads for "My Dental Cavitation Adventure" or a current "Osteomyelitis" you can see my experience. I will try not to make this long and complicated story not too long and complicated, LOL.

I have been very interested in tooth health and the connection to the body since reading "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Weston A. Price. He was a dentist in the 1930's whose own son died from a root canal. So he traveled the world exploring the connection between diet and tooth health. Anyway, there is a non profit foundation dedicated to his work called The Weston A Price Foundation. I went to one of their conferences in 2010 and heard a holistic DDS talk about root canals. He was pretty adamant about the dangers and having them removed. ***HOWEVER***, he was also adamant about the fine line between being healthy first and having them removed. That always stuck with me and now I understand why. There were also a few in the audience who, during Q&A, told stories of having root canals removed and their health declining.

So I had 2 root canals in #3&4 years ago. They always gave me trouble(pain, bleeding, swelling) but so many dentists always said there was nothing wrong. I finally found a Biological DDS who discovered infection at the root tips in the bone. He and I both decided to have the teeth extracted. And we both thought all my health issues would magically clear up! haha. The oral surgeon who performed the surgery(not holistic) told me I was crazy for doing this, and maybe he was right.
In January 2014 I had the teeth removed, and like you, felt IMMEDIATLEY better. It was amazing! I had more energy, no pain, could even do short hikes. I took a 10 day dose of an oral ABX. But then, one year later, ALL the pain and swelling came back much worse than ever, although I had no teeth. (I use a partial BTW, which is fine for me. Until I am 100% healthy for a long time would I ever consider an implant.)

So I saw a handful of oral surgeons and dentists who did scans/imaging and concluded nothing was wrong and I just needed a new night guard or braces. In the meantime I was diagnosed with Chronic Lyme in 2015. When I was in treatment for Lyme (oral ABX) the pain in my jaw did diminish, but as soon as I stopped it would come back. So I knew there was infection/connection there. I live in Europe, like you do I think.

So last December 1, I flew to the US to see a holistic dentist to address the cavitations. I had surgery to repair the infection on the right side of my mouth, including wisdom tooth extraction sites, so 4 areas, and was supposed to have the left side done 6 weeks later but never did. The dentist said the infection was much worse than any of the imaging showed. I too had the Dental DNA Connexions test like Rindy03. If you read any of my other threads you'll see the outcome.
I had many complications and ended up bed ridden and staying in the US until the end of March. The biological DDS washed his hands of me. He's a great guy, but I think my case was more than he knew what to do with. So I saw an oral surgeon in the US who said he thinks I have osteomyelitis in the jaw and need IV ABX. He also said that although he is not "holistic" he NEVER EVER recommends root canals to anyone, under any circumstance. He has just seen too many cases of osteomyelitis following root canals, then extractions. I thought that was pretty profound for a conventional dentist to say! But I think we can agree on that one here! I am still dealing with excruciating pain and mouth ulcers with narcotics barely touching the pain. I will see an oral surgeon next week for a CT scan and treatment plan.

My point is this:
Be very cautious with having them removed! Please! It's a double edged sword. Because, yes, they are toxic, but so is an improperly treated extraction site. Trust me on this one! Osteomyelitis is NOT something to mess around with. REALLY do your research before you jump in. Make sure your immune system is healthy enough. I would highly recommend, like others have said, go slow. Maybe one tooth at a time. Wait months between to see how you handle it. And definitely demand IV ABX before, during, and after your surgery. (A holistic DDS in Switzerland I consulted with does this. Even though he's holistic, he understands the necessity of ABX reaching the bone, which orals do not.)
Incidentally, I did Ozone IV's and injections after my tooth extractions 3 years ago for a month or so but the infection still came back. So while I think ozone is great, and I oil pull with ozonated oil, I don't think it can really help unless you do it faithfully for a LONG time. I don't have access to it now, otherwise I would be doing it. You really need to find a dentist who knows how to deal with these bone infections. Unfortunately, there is a chasm between the dentists who understand this and the doctors who know HOW to treat this.

I feel like for many with Lyme it's a never ending cycle with the root canal issue. I guess it depends how sick you are or how your immune system responds.
I hope you can find the real help you need!! And hope I didn't confuse you more or scare you. Just please be careful! Good luck! smile
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eat2bwell
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   Posted 5/10/2017 7:03 AM (GMT -6)   
For sure anyone wanting to deal with the root canals or amalgams should seek a holistic dentist who knows understands what he is dealing with. The holistic dentist will give you liposomal vitamin C and clean the cavity properly. A normal dentist has been taught that amalgams and root canals are safe. The dentist can loose his license if he tells you anything different. When I was really sick and told my Primary Care Physician what I thought my problem was and how I was going to have the bad teeth removed by a holistic dentist he told me I could have the work done cheaper. I thought to myself I do not want it done cheaper I want it done right. I had the work done by a dentist who was train by Hal Huggins. It will cost more but it is worth it. There millions of people walking around with disease and they don't have a clue as to what is making them sick but many have figured it out. There are doctors who believe that Lyme disease resides in the mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RSV5TGENCg

http://www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/Articles/2013/June/Lyme-disease-often-resides-in-the-mouth.aspx

lymehater
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   Posted 5/10/2017 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I had two root canals that went bad, constant infection but I had no idea until biological/holistic dentist told me. I have a great one in LA, Cali. I flew from East Coast because I trust no one but him.
He removed both, left with gaps, then had to get zirconium implants. So far so good. no infection. He cleaned out the gums with ozone water during the entire process.
I'm going back to get a crown on one and leavine the bottom one with just an implant sticking out. I would prefer no crown because I'm afraid of not doing a good job of flossing and trapping food and bacteria. So just one crown for now due to cosmetic reasons and the dentist saying it's a good idea but he was willing to back down on doing two crowns.

lymehater
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   Posted 5/10/2017 8:56 AM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
Did the dentist test you to see if your body was allergic to the implant or did they just jam an
implant permanently into your body without caring what it does to your immune system for
the rest of your life. its a cheap blood test

The bone cane be infected-my guess is your are right about this.

Sad to hear students don't consider what they do your immune system for the rest of your life

A legit biological dentist will test your body to see if you're allergic to the implant material before starting the work. That's why I flew out to see mine on the west coast in Los Angeles.
So important!

caramba
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   Posted 5/10/2017 10:19 AM (GMT -6)   
worth looking into if possible. A doctor here in dallas had dental cavitations on his list of things to fix for lyme treatment.

I don't have a root canal, but a missing tooth so cavitation is possible.

eat2bwell
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   Posted 5/10/2017 10:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Dawn Ewing has a good video on Utube explaining how root canals are done and why they are a problem with having good health. There are actually 3 videos but it explains the problem very well.

Post Edited By Moderator (Michelejc) : 5/15/2017 9:43:07 AM (GMT-6)


Jinna
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   Posted 5/10/2017 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll just be brief. I had a few root canals when I fell ill with lyme.
I went to a dr. K's follower (in fact 2 different practitioners) who convinced me to pull 2 of them off.
They tested my teeth independently, and always pointed the same 2 molars.

It took me time to convince myself, but as I was taking about 60 different treatments a day (!!!?) and still not able to get to remission, I decided to pull these 2 teeth. Both were horribly infected, but Xrays showed nothing before.

the dentist and my lyme doctor together pulled the teeth and cleaned the bones from cavitations. Both were too bad, so bad the surgeon took my bones with a spoon (a tiny spoon). My bones turned to jelly. Then he used the drilling device to further clean the infection in the bone.

I felt good after, not much pain, I took nosodes made from my teeth, no pain killer, no antibiotic.

I don't say I got immediately better, but I felt a big burden had left my body. I felt less anxious, in spite of lyme being still active, and in spite of having still so many tick bites on and on.

It took still a couple of years to get to full remission, but it did happen!

In between, I lost still 2 teeth to lyme. They simply died, and badly died, from inside out. The root got infected and died. Well, I gained then 2 more root canals.

When lyme was gone, I didn't see a dentist for many years, nor a dr, no one. I was fed up of treatment.

Years later, I decided to see a dentist, my lyme dr again, because I was having heart issues, and anxiety, insomnia. He told me: take all dead teeth off. All?!! That meant more 5 cavitation surgeries!!

Well, I did that: in total 7 teeth were out. And all of them, ALL OF THEM, had cavitations under, all were fully infected.

One specific tooth, the day it was pulled, made all my HEART symptoms disappear. I never woke up suddenly in the night again. Never got palpitations again. It was truly amazing.

so I took 7 teeth off, and the reason for that was that I think the dead teeth were infecting good teeth, and I was getting one dead tooth every 1 or 2 years! Yes...

SInce I took them all off, I didn't yet lose any tooth. Still knocking on wood though. My lyme is fully dormant for the last 8 years, but I still had gotten teeth problems after lyme was gone.

I highly recommend to look closely into the teeth. Some are totally connected to the heart! At least, to mine.

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   Posted 9/27/2017 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I am SOOO glad I ran across this thread!

I received my first root canal 5 months ago. Guess when my walking issues started? 4 months ago. I was bitten by the tick last year, but I believe the root canal sent me over the edge. I just scheduled an appointment with a biological dentist 90 minutes away and going to get this taken care of ASAP!

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   Posted 9/27/2017 4:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie said...
I am SOOO glad I ran across this thread!

I received my first root canal 5 months ago. Guess when my walking issues started? 4 months ago. I was bitten by the tick last year, but I believe the root canal sent me over the edge. I just scheduled an appointment with a biological dentist 90 minutes away and going to get this taken care of ASAP!


Let us know how it goes.

What will you have in place of the tooth - a bridge? An implant?

I'm fortunate to not have any teeth that need root canals - not looking forward to that day when I need to make a decision on what to do instead.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
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   Posted 9/27/2017 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Hoagie said...
I am SOOO glad I ran across this thread!

I received my first root canal 5 months ago. Guess when my walking issues started? 4 months ago. I was bitten by the tick last year, but I believe the root canal sent me over the edge. I just scheduled an appointment with a biological dentist 90 minutes away and going to get this taken care of ASAP!


Let us know how it goes.

What will you have in place of the tooth - a bridge? An implant?

I'm fortunate to not have any teeth that need root canals - not looking forward to that day when I need to make a decision on what to do instead.


I've been thinking about that since I decided to have it pulled. Not sure of all my options. probably go cheap and safe. I'll see what the doc proposes. Partial denture maybe... Hopefully, it's not too expensive.

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   Posted 9/27/2017 5:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie said...
Girlie said...
Hoagie said...
I am SOOO glad I ran across this thread!

I received my first root canal 5 months ago. Guess when my walking issues started? 4 months ago. I was bitten by the tick last year, but I believe the root canal sent me over the edge. I just scheduled an appointment with a biological dentist 90 minutes away and going to get this taken care of ASAP!


Let us know how it goes.

What will you have in place of the tooth - a bridge? An implant?

I'm fortunate to not have any teeth that need root canals - not looking forward to that day when I need to make a decision on what to do instead.


I've been thinking about that since I decided to have it pulled. Not sure of all my options. probably go cheap and safe. I'll see what the doc proposes. Partial denture maybe... Hopefully, it's not too expensive.


Wouldn't you just need a bridge..if it's just one tooth? or you don't want to compromise the adjacent teeth/
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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   Posted 9/28/2017 3:22 AM (GMT -6)   
If you listen to 99.99% of dentists and their assistants, you'll RARELY if EVER pull your dead tooth or root canals.

You live with them FOREVER, unless they decay on their own or cause VISIBLE abscesses.

As with 99.99% of MDs recommending 16-30 vaccines for newly born babies and toddlers, read on your own, and decide what to do.

There is NO one fit all solution concerning the mouth problem.

Each person's condition will determine whether a zirkonia implant is good, or whether it will still cause trouble.

Other types of implants may not even cause problem to some people, the same way that deer ticks won't cause any problem to some people (well said!!)

Even partials (partial dentures) may cause problems as there are metals there, but they are less invasive than any implant.

I pulled 7 dead teeth (some died on their own, they were not even with root canals yet).

All 7 were SEVERELY infected in the root.
Some of the bone infections were so bad that they spread to my jaws, pretty deep.

One side of my face had bones that are brittle.

Full of mini holes, not visible in any Xray whatsoever.

I don't say that I got better from lyme BECAUSE I pulled 2 root canals and did 2 cavitation surgeries.

The other 5, I pulled out after lyme (they still had infections....).

but when you actually SEE what's going on in your mouth, bones, teeth, jaws, sinuses... like I saw (I literally saw what the surgeon was scooping out), well, you wonder how can ANYONE be healthy with such fully active infections inside your mouth?

would you leave a toe or finger rotting and doing nothing?
Of course not.

A dead tooth feels nothing, so you don't know if it's rotting or not.
You feel nothing, usually.

Only the bone under can send some pain signals, but it's usually mild (not like tooth pain).

If pulling these dead teeth will heal lyme or not, I can't put my hands on fire.

but I can put my hands on fire that letting these infections grow, unattended, will impair physical health without doubt.

That is how I would put the problem.

A dead tooth will not cause immediate death like a toe gangrene, but it will still send infections through smaller arteries and veins, and contribute to slow, but sure, physical decay.

that's just my non-medical opinion.

the invasive part of the procedure is the cleaning of jawbone, in fact.
And the psychological impact that hits you with the loss of each tooth.

Post Edited (Jinna) : 9/28/2017 3:27:08 AM (GMT-6)


Hoagie
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   Posted 9/28/2017 11:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Hoagie said...
Girlie said...
Hoagie said...
I am SOOO glad I ran across this thread!

I received my first root canal 5 months ago. Guess when my walking issues started? 4 months ago. I was bitten by the tick last year, but I believe the root canal sent me over the edge. I just scheduled an appointment with a biological dentist 90 minutes away and going to get this taken care of ASAP!


Let us know how it goes.

What will you have in place of the tooth - a bridge? An implant?

I'm fortunate to not have any teeth that need root canals - not looking forward to that day when I need to make a decision on what to do instead.


I've been thinking about that since I decided to have it pulled. Not sure of all my options. probably go cheap and safe. I'll see what the doc proposes. Partial denture maybe... Hopefully, it's not too expensive.


Wouldn't you just need a bridge..if it's just one tooth? or you don't want to compromise the adjacent teeth/


I'm new to all this, so I am not familiar with all the options and the prices for each.

It's my 5th tooth back on the bottom. Thinking about just getting it pulled and being done with it.

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Can be the key to getting better!
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   Posted 9/28/2017 8:01 PM (GMT -6)   
My symptoms started in 2015, I had a root canal in 2013 and I have a big metal amalgam from 2012.

The thing that doesn't make sense is I know some of my issues are transmittable as I gave whatever I have to my girlfriend. Her symptoms are much milder than mine but there is certainly something. I don't exactly know how that relates to the dental matters since her teeth are perfect and she has no fillings/root canals.

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   Posted 9/28/2017 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
mrdude said...
My symptoms started in 2015, I had a root canal in 2013 and I have a big metal amalgam from 2012.

The thing that doesn't make sense is I know some of my issues are transmittable as I gave whatever I have to my girlfriend. Her symptoms are much milder than mine but there is certainly something. I don't exactly know how that relates to the dental matters since her teeth are perfect and she has no fillings/root canals.


magoo isn't saying you don't have lyme...just that the dental issues are getting in the way of your healing...and maybe making symptoms worse.

That's why your girlfriend may not have as severe symptoms. (what magoo would say)

magoo - can correct me if I'm off-base.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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