Saccharomyces cerevisiae (brewer's yeast) overgrowth - not candida! HELP!

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1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/23/2017 6:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a systemic yeast infection (guess I shouldn't be calling it candida anymore). I've tested negative (repeatedly) for candida albicans (which seems to be very common).
My regular doctor told me for a long time that they weren't able to culture the yeast. However, I asked my GP again, and he was able to finally do it. I was SO EXCITED (how sad is that? LOL). I truly believe if I can figure out the strain then maybe I'd be more successful in treating this! I've suspected that I have an atypical strain!

My swab results are saccharomyces cerevisiae. Say what? Apparently, it's known as brewer's yeast, which is ironically nutritional and actually in supplements too!

EDITED: I took three weeks of diflucan which didn't do anything for me. Now I wonder if it's not as effective on this strain. I can't seem to get good/non-conflicting information on diflucan and this strain...?

I searched here, of course, but unfortunately, I found very little information.
I also searched the grand land of the internet, and there really is limited information about this (most sites focus on candida, candida, candida!). I did find this link which has been the most helpful so far:
www.medicalinsider.com/bacterial.html#yeast
But most everything always comes back to treating candida references - not much specific to saccharomyces cerevisiae. : |

Also, I read that s. boulardii can actually inadvertently cause this particular yeast overgrowth. I am VERY disappointed to read this, as everything I read last time highly encouraged taking this for yeast overgrowth. I did take this temporarily for awhile (also gave to my kids). Ugh.

Anybody deal with this strain? My GP said he didn't know and deferred to my functional medicine doctor (who is difficult to get a hold of but will try).
I have a prescription for the pure nystatin powder, and now I'm just not sure about taking it quite yet. Hmmm.

I am very interested in figuring out how to treat this strain as compared to the candida strains.
Appreciate any thoughts/opinions/experiences!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
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Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

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   Posted 1/23/2017 6:50 PM (GMT -6)   
I am currently taking brewer's yeast as a supplement, in a tablet form, because it has B vitamins. I didn't know that it can make these problems. Now I am seriously thinking about stopping it.
I think that you need to go on strictanticandida diet, too, because yeast feeds on sugar - so if you do that it will certainly be helpful. I am not sure about which drugs can affect this yeast - but I think that natural herbs affects all the yeast - for example Oregano oil, it is very powerful and addresses viruses as well.
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   Posted 1/23/2017 6:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, blueberrymuffin. I did an anti-candida diet, as well as some herbal products (plus the 3 weeks of diflucan that did nothing - now I know why!). But I'm planning on another battle again, and I'm so grateful to figure out the strain so that I can hopefully be more successful. Now I know not to use s. boulardii this time around!
I am seriously frustrated for sure now!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

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   Posted 1/23/2017 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
1000D I'm so sorry to hear this but glad you know now what it is. And yes, I was aware that both could promote yeast overgrowth. I learned that last year when my nutritionist suggested the s boullardi. She had to fess up that it was possible, so I opted to not take it. The brewers yeast I learned about when researching natural vitamins. There are so many of them brimming with those....it's unbelievable. So again I stayed away.
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   Posted 1/23/2017 8:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Ya its in the garden of eden pbx ...and i take s .boulardii ..darnit ...its also probably in the kombucha im making ...2 forward 1 back

Girlie
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   Posted 1/23/2017 8:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I've always eaten Nutritional yeast (Red Star) on my popcorn.
But was told it doesn't cause yeast infections...

So, is it just the Brewer's nutritional yeast that is the culprit?
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1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/23/2017 8:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Krimpet 🍔 said...
1000D I'm so sorry to hear this but glad you know now what it is. And yes, I was aware that both could promote yeast overgrowth. I learned that last year when my nutritionist suggested the s boullardi. She had to fess up that it was possible, so I opted to not take it. The brewers yeast I learned about when researching natural vitamins. There are so many of them brimming with those....it's unbelievable. So again I stayed away.


Thanks, Krimpet! I was VERY excited to get the results. I feel like I could be taken more seriously if I have a culture that shows a strain... then maybe I could make more progress!?!

You are so lucky you have somebody to help with this type of thing. I had to go solo on this. My regular GP doctor tries to help but is limited, quite frankly, as he readily admits. Hoping my functional medicine LLMD can help more!

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   Posted 1/23/2017 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is some info on the two and fungemia:

/academic.oup.com/cid/article/41/11/1559/356155/Invasive-Saccharomyces-Infection-A-Comprehensive

Excerpt(s):

At the time of S. cerevisiae isolation, 6 patients were receiving antifungal therapy: 4 were receiving fluconazole prophylaxis, and 2 were receiving curative treatment with ketoconazole or itraconazole.


S. cerevisiae exhibits low susceptibility to amphotericin B and to azole derivatives (table 3). Although breakpoints have not been defined for S. cerevisiae, MIC90 for fluconazole and itraconazole are considered to be within the susceptible dose-dependent range defined for C. albicans [86]. One can hypothesize that these drugs may play a role in the emergence of S. cerevisiae.

Fungemia, isolation from normally sterile fluids (e.g., pleural and synovial fluids), and deep-site infections either histologically proven for sites susceptible to colonization (lungs, peritoneum, esophagus) [20, 21].

I wonder if I have it also. Do you have intermittent pain in the lungs that comes and goes? I have to check my notes but it may have began after ceasing Fluconazole. This is one reason I decided to go back on Itraconazole and am on day 27 with little change in the lungs. I thought it might be Aspergillosis but have no way of knowing for sure.

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 1/23/2017 7:34:00 PM (GMT-7)


1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/23/2017 8:56 PM (GMT -6)   
ChickenArise said...
Here is some info on the two and fungemia:

/academic.oup.com/cid/article/41/11/1559/356155/Invasive-Saccharomyces-Infection-A-Comprehensive

Excerpt(s):

At the time of S. cerevisiae isolation, 6 patients were receiving antifungal therapy: 4 were receiving fluconazole prophylaxis, and 2 were receiving curative treatment with ketoconazole or itraconazole.


S. cerevisiae exhibits low susceptibility to amphotericin B and to azole derivatives (table 3). Although breakpoints have not been defined for S. cerevisiae, MIC90 for fluconazole and itraconazole are considered to be within the susceptible dose-dependent range defined for C. albicans [86]. One can hypothesize that these drugs may play a role in the emergence of S. cerevisiae.

Fungemia, isolation from normally sterile fluids (e.g., pleural and synovial fluids), and deep-site infections either histologically proven for sites susceptible to colonization (lungs, peritoneum, esophagus) [20, 21].

I wonder if I have it also. Do you have intermittent pain in the lungs that comes and goes? I have to check my notes but it may have began after ceasing Fluconazole. This is one reason I decided to go back on Itraconazole and am on day 27 with little change in the lungs. I thought it might be Aspergillosis but have no way of knowing for sure.


Oh my gosh. How bizarre. I just got done reading that article and then popped on here from a break of researching. How ironic you posted this!! smile

I do not have lung pain. I do have kidney pain though that I definitely feel is related to a yeast overgrowth (gets better on low/no sugar diet and anti-yeast herbals/etc).

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   Posted 1/23/2017 9:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Just throwing this out there and have no idea if it will work or not but have you looked into raw apple cider vinegar? The reasoning is that it is the bacterial that follows after the brewers yeast in nature. It would be surprising if it hadn't evolved ways to compete with it.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/23/2017 9:36 PM (GMT -6)   
gregkdc said...
Just throwing this out there and have no idea if it will work or not but have you looked into raw apple cider vinegar? The reasoning is that it is the bacterial that follows after the brewers yeast in nature. It would be surprising if it hadn't evolved ways to compete with it.


Thanks for the suggestion. ACV does indeed look promising on paper and from what I've read.
However, I did do a trial of it for a few weeks, and it increased my kidney pain too much. As soon as I stopped the ACV, the kidney pain went away.
Some may think it was causing a die-off, but I'm not quite so convinced on that. It seemed to aggravate it for sure!

Wished it would have helped!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

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   Posted 1/23/2017 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
That's my florastor!!! Now why'd ya have to go muddy that water? Lol
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   Posted 1/24/2017 8:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Daisies - I was curious of your symptoms too. Is it just the kidney pain? I get this whenever I take abx. I have toyed with candida but diflucan never did much. Maybe it is resistant.

What lab did your GP use to culture? Was it a blood test?

I'm actually pretty impressed that your GP tested this! I really need a new GP. Not going back to my old one. I got into an argument last time about thyroid labs (-:

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   Posted 1/24/2017 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
I am copying this from the other related thread:

Important reference to the link on s. boulardii:
The only identified risk factor for S. cerevisiae infection was treatment with a probiotic containing Saccharomyces boulardii (Ultralevura; Bristol-Myers Squibb).

LINK:
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15889360

Saccharomyces cerevisiae fungemia: an emerging infectious disease.
Muñoz P1, Bouza E, Cuenca-Estrella M, Eiros JM, Pérez MJ, Sánchez-Somolinos M, Rincón C, Hortal J, Peláez T.
Author information
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Saccharomyces cerevisiae is well known in the baking and brewing industry and is also used as a probiotic in humans. However, it is a very uncommon cause of infection in humans.
METHODS:
During the period of 15-30 April 2003, we found 3 patients with S. cerevisiae fungemia in an intensive care unit (ICU). An epidemiological study was performed, and the medical records for all patients who were in the unit during the second half of April were assessed.
RESULTS:
The only identified risk factor for S. cerevisiae infection was treatment with a probiotic containing Saccharomyces boulardii (Ultralevura; Bristol-Myers Squibb). This probiotic is used in Europe for the treatment and prevention of Clostridium difficile-associated diarrhea. The 3 patients received the product via nasograstric tube for a mean duration of 8.5 days before the culture result was positive, whereas only 2 of 41 control subjects had received it. Surveillance cultures for the control patients admitted at the same time did not reveal any carriers of the yeast. Strains from the probiotic capsules and the clinical isolates were identified as S. cerevisiae, with identical DNA fingerprinting. Discontinuation of use of the product in the unit stopped the outbreak of infection. A review of the literature identified another 57 cases of S. cerevisiae fungemia. Overall, 60% of these patients were in the ICU, and 71% were receiving enteral or parenteral nutrition. Use of probiotics was detected in 26 patients, and 17 patients died.
CONCLUSIONS:
Use of S. cerevisiae probiotics should be carefully reassessed, particularly in immunosuppressed or critically ill patients.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/24/2017 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
k07 said...
Daisies - I was curious of your symptoms too. Is it just the kidney pain? I get this whenever I take abx. I have toyed with candida but diflucan never did much. Maybe it is resistant.

What lab did your GP use to culture? Was it a blood test?

I'm actually pretty impressed that your GP tested this! I really need a new GP. Not going back to my old one. I got into an argument last time about thyroid labs (-:


My symptoms:
Kidney pain, headaches, migraines, chronic fatigue, etc. Those were the main ones I was concerned about in regards to yeast.

When I did a "candida" self-treament (I thought it was candida at the time, I should just call it yeast/fungal from now on), my migraines went away, my headaches decreased, kidney pain decreased and no longer made me sick, and fatigue decreased. I still get headaches sometimes (mostly when I don't get enough sleep or my neck is out of wack). No more migraines related to cycle. I still deal with kidney pain but not as severe as previously. And I still very much struggle with fatigue (it got worse this fall), but it definitely improved from what it was previously. Also, my cravings for sugar definitely went down (but they are coming back).

I've asked my GP for a year to culture the yeast so I knew what strain, and he said he didn't know how to do it. I pressed him again during my last visit, and he finally figured it out. He has really been supportive to me and my family's battle with lyme/etc, but he admits that he doesn't know how to treat these things effectively and will defer to the functional medicine LLMD.

I have tested via blood previously for candida albicans, and that was negative/looked good. I'm pretty sure I recall my urine came back positive for yeast at some point too. But for my recent tests, it's just a vaginal swab. The lab was just at my local clinic. No send-out. I have recently read though that I think you can do a blood test for antibodies toward this, just like you can for candida albicans.

FWIW - I haven't had a physical where it has NOT been yeast for so many years, so this was a clue to me when I started putting it together.

Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 1/24/2017 8:24:59 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/24/2017 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Just what we/you needed, right? I'm so sorry, but I understand your 'excitement' about knowing what it is!! If our 'monsters inside us' are named, at least we stand a better chance at doing battle with them effectively!

Please do let us know what you find and what you find works for this!
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Traveler said...
Just what we/you needed, right? I'm so sorry, but I understand your 'excitement' about knowing what it is!! If our 'monsters inside us' are named, at least we stand a better chance at doing battle with them effectively!

Please do let us know what you find and what you find works for this!


I do feel better knowing what strain it is (even though there is limited good information on this). I was oddly super excited to finally have a name to this! Knowledge is power! smile Plus, I'm hoping the doctors take me more seriously if I test positive for yeast and have a strain name too!

I found two probitiocs on my shelves that I won't take now that contain s. boulardii and/or s. cerevisaie (besides my Florastor which I used previously - ugh!). One is Garden of Life, and the other is Syntol. Syntol was highly recommended for yeast, so that's a major bummer to me now (I was going to try it for this round).

I think it's truly rolling of the dice, sometimes, when it comes to rebalancing the gut with good bacterias/yeast. So much guess work!

Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 1/24/2017 8:38:20 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/24/2017 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   
"I think it's truly rolling of the dice, sometimes, when it comes to rebalancing the gut with good bacterias/yeast. So much guess work!"

This is soo true!! I'm playing this 'game' too - trying to rebalance the gut. But, I'm not battling with a yeast overgrowth - the darn thing is just out of balance.
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   Posted 1/25/2017 2:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Rikki posted a link from this site on a different thread, and I found this rather interesting article on this site about probiotics and antibiotics.

nutritioninstitute.com/probiotics-dont-work-for-candida/

I thought it was a very good read with some interesting points/discussions!
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Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

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   Posted 5/2/2017 5:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I too have just been diagnosed with a UTI caused by sacchrymces cerevisiae. It has only been five years since I have been dealing with symptoms and no diagnoses! I am happy to finally know what it is, but a little concerned, because it is such a rare infection. My doc has me on fluconozole (400 mg) a day. Today is day 20, but I am not really seeing much improvement. We are going to try another week of it and see what happens. Symptoms got much worse once I started the meds and then leveled off. I took it as a good sign things were dying off, but I thought I would be feeling better by now. Now, the question is whether or not this is working or do I need something else. Or it could be working, but needs more time. This is so very frustrating. Thanks for listening.

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   Posted 5/2/2017 5:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Daisies,

I'm so sorry you are going through this. Last thing you need.

Can someone break down this thread in laymans terms. I am very brain impaired.

You have all of these symptoms and have learned that they are from a certain strain from a probiotic?

My son also gets kidney pain, extreme fatigue, headaches, stomach aches. So I'm curious.

Which probiotic is safe to take?

Jellybean, the fastest way to rid a UTI is with D-Mannose. It keeps bacteria from affixing to bladder. It's a miracle powder. You can get it at a health food store.

Feel better Daisies.

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   Posted 5/2/2017 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi JellyBean - welcome to our community!

Sorry you've got a persistent UTI. Do you also have lyme disease?
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Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 5/2/2017 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
The probiotic that Daisie is attributing to the infection is Saccharomyces boulardii.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 5/2/2017 6:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Girlie,

That sounds like one of the strains in a probiotic, so is the theory to avoid that strain?

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   Posted 5/2/2017 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I also got the fungal infection from taking a probiotic containing saccharomyces boulardii. This yeast causes an overgrowth of saccharomyces cerevisiae, which causes the infection. Mine just happens to be in my bladder, but it can be almost anywhere from what I have read. It is very rare, so there is not a lot out there about it. My doc is also stumped as to how to treat this, because there is not one tried and true that has worked.

They did check me for lyme disease, but that came back negative.

Thanks, all!
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