Saccharomyces cerevisiae (brewer's yeast) overgrowth - not candida! HELP!

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astroman
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   Posted 5/2/2017 7:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I tried s. boulardii (Florastore) one of the times I had candida. It was a big mistake , my gut felt much worse. Felt like the Goodyear blimp. Wont do that again.

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   Posted 5/2/2017 9:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Huddie, and others -

I think we need to organize the information being discussed, as it is a little complicated and not the typical GI yeast/fungal overgrowth discussion... maybe others can chime in w/ their own experiences.

GENERALLY, the GI yeast/fungal overgrowth we usually discussed here is due to the antimicrobial/antibacterial protocols we're taking orally (even including the herbal tinctures for some since they're often suspended in alcohol) that kill all the bacteria--including the good bacteria that keep the yeast/fungus in balance.

Sounds like the saccharomyces cerevisiae overgrowth in two of our members here has manifested in places other than the GI (vaginal and urethra). I went through a period where 1/2 glass of wine exploded in a crazy vaginal overgrowth, so there are opportunities for GI to become "other" really fast.

This is a fungus, not a bacteria. And it isn't uncommon for some probiotics to exacerbate y/f overgrowth in those of us struggling with it (one of the reasons it's important that you're taking a product with as many different strains as you can find) - so it is something to investigate if you're having trouble dealing w/ the overgrowth. I stopped taking the probiotics a year ago, which has helped. This is a little trial-by-error since some probiotics may work just fine for some of us and I don't want to discourage it.

JellyBean -
fluconazole/diflucan might not be effective against Sacch cerevisiae. The antifungal Rx and naturals don't work against all yeast/fungal strains. You should have fairly quick results w/ an antifungal Rx and 3 wks is plenty of time.

I'd ask your MD to explore a different antifungal Rx like ketoconazole, itraconazole. There might be sources online that indicate which is more effective - I'll look after I post this. And I'd also recommend the PURE Nystatin powder. You can gargle it, drink it, douche with it, and create a topical paste.

Hope this is helpful -

-p
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Pirouette
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   Posted 5/2/2017 9:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is an article that indicates fluconazole is somewhat effective and amphotericin B would be "antifungal agent of choice".
/academic.oup.com/cid/article/40/11/1625/445600/Saccharomyces-cerevisiae-Fungemia-An-Emerging

JellyBean and 1000Daisies -
I would be on the phone daily w/ your MD's office, providing updates and asking for a solution. They have a lot more resources available to them than we'll reach through google. This prompts the MD to be actively searching and reading these studies to find another antifungal to try... You need some relief and these buggers need to be stopped!

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DETOX: Pinella/Burbur/Parsley/Milk thistle/Burdock root; cholestyramine / jap. knotweed L-5-MTHFR LMN-V-II probiotic

astroman
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   Posted 5/2/2017 9:38 PM (GMT -6)   
1000- It looks like this was sort of discussed here, well, more how to avoid it, mentions a lab that tests for it too:

/www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/39820-attention-all-those-allergic-or-sensitive-to-yeast-non-candida-problems/

I always figured that some of the many "GF sensitive" people are actually sensitive to bakers yeast, and just dont know it. Adding to it just makes it populate more.

Pirouette
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   Posted 5/2/2017 9:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's a study suggesting tea tree oil can effectively alter membrane properties of the fungus - add tea tree oil to suppository or douche (in the case of vaginal manifestation):
/academic.oup.com/jac/article/53/6/1081/900843/Antifungal-effects-of-Melaleuca-alternifolia-tea

-p
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DETOX: Pinella/Burbur/Parsley/Milk thistle/Burdock root; cholestyramine / jap. knotweed L-5-MTHFR LMN-V-II probiotic

JellyBean597
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   Posted 5/2/2017 9:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for all the info. This is great! There isn't a lot out there on this particular organism as it is rare to get infected with it. I emailed my doc today and he is trying me on one more week of the fluconazole to see if anything changes. I will ask him about the amp B. I have also heard this is the drug of choice for this particular species. I was hoping the fluconazole was working, because my symptoms got worse once I started taking it. Things have leveled off, but definitely not all better. It is so nice to find a place to be able to talk about this. Thanks again all!

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   Posted 10/12/2017 10:19 PM (GMT -6)   
JellyBean597 said...
I also got the fungal infection from taking a probiotic containing saccharomyces boulardii. This yeast causes an overgrowth of saccharomyces cerevisiae, which causes the infection. Mine just happens to be in my bladder, but it can be almost anywhere from what I have read. It is very rare, so there is not a lot out there about it. My doc is also stumped as to how to treat this, because there is not one tried and true that has worked.

They did check me for lyme disease, but that came back negative.

Thanks, all!

JellyBean, not sure if you have notifications for this post thread, but I was wondering if you had an update on your situation?

So sorry I missed your responses on this thread, as I must have missed it because it was months after my original post. So sorry.

Hoping you come back and post an update. Sure hope all is better for you. And if, I'd love to hear how you/your doctors decided to treat. This is a very persistent, stubborn strain (for me, at least).

1000Daisies
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   Posted 10/12/2017 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the additional information on this. I really appreciate it.

FWIW - I believe I have had this yeast issue ongoing for some years now actually. Several years probably, if not more. Back then, I wasn't taking Florastor/s. boulardii. That was something I added temporarily a few years back ... back when I thought it was "safe" to take. I don't believe I necessarily have this strain from a supplement (I would guess I don't). Who knows... I could have had a different strain that I was resolving but then caused a new strain imbalance with the s. boulardii supplement. I just don't know and will probably never know at this point.

Tea tree oil - I have generally not found benefit from this for skin issues, but it's something I wanted to retry for my issues.

P - my doctor won't prescribe the meds for this strain because he has serious concerns about the risks/side effects of these meds. I haven't pushed him on it because I'm not comfortable with the risks either at this point. It's really frustrating to have such little options. Plus, he doesn't have experience with anybody with this strain specifically, so as you know, MDs just aren't very knowledgable about these yeast issues like I have.

Astroman - thanks for the helpful link too! I had retried s. boulardii in a different supplement to see how my body would react (if was part of a well respected supplement that is used for anti-yeast). I didn't last on it, as I felt off and didn't trust it at all.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, still very bad
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.
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