I just had a beer....

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astroman
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   Posted 4/8/2017 10:18 PM (GMT -6)   
..oh - it was very tasty too. Ha ha!!!!

Nothin' like rubbin' it in.

Ya, well...I cant do this whole 30 paleo diet forever. Haven't had gluten or any milk products in three months though.

I dont do Facebook, so this is where I post stupid stuff, (that would be very face book worthy from what I've heard).

Post Edited (astroman) : 4/8/2017 10:21:16 PM (GMT-6)


cweber7
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   Posted 4/8/2017 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
well hey if you always follow the crowd, you'll always be behind the crowd

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   Posted 4/8/2017 10:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Lemme know tomorrow how ya feel!

Lol
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astroman
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   Posted 4/8/2017 10:49 PM (GMT -6)   
cweber7 said...
well hey if you always follow the crowd, you'll always be behind the crowd


Exactly!

astroman
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   Posted 4/8/2017 10:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Lemme know tomorrow how ya feel!

Lol


Ha..well right now I feel like having another one..........only problem , I stashed the few I had sitting around around so good three months ago (outa sight outa mind), that now, I cant find where I put them LOL!

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   Posted 4/8/2017 11:09 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Girlie said...
Lemme know tomorrow how ya feel!

Lol


Ha..well right now I feel like having another one..........only problem , I stashed the few I had sitting around around so good three months ago (outa sight outa mind), that now, I cant find where I put them LOL!


Haha - your idea worked!
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Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Pirouette
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   Posted 4/8/2017 11:27 PM (GMT -6)   
mmm…. I could go for a Hefeweizen right now. I am what beer aficionados call a beer wienie and only like the really light wheat beers. ;)

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   Posted 4/9/2017 12:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Pirouette said...
mmm…. I could go for a Hefeweizen right now. I am what beer aficionados call a beer wienie and only like the really light wheat beers. ;)

-p


Oh no, wheat and yeast! What's pleasure for you is pain for me.

I miss Belgium Ale but I am going to behave myself. Cant remember the last time I had alcohol outside of a tincture.

If you can get away with it, its nice to treat yourself every now and again. Enjoy!
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   Posted 4/9/2017 5:11 AM (GMT -6)   
How's the tummy today? My poison would be a long island tea, but I'm just going to have to miss them.
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   Posted 4/9/2017 9:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Yeah! Talk about rubbing it in!! turn Just not fair!!! LOL!

I do hope that you are doing well today though!

I'm old fashioned, I'll just take a good beer or a good whiskey!!!
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   Posted 4/9/2017 9:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Cali wine girl here. Chards in the summer and Merlots or Cabs in the winter.
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astroman
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   Posted 4/9/2017 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   
My stomachs fine. Sleep was a little off though.

Occasional alcohol has had the tendency to make me sleepy at first then wake in the middle of the night, but would take several to make that happen. This was only one 16oz 5.9% "Ice" brew. Guess after 3 months off, my bodies not use to it !! lame!

I can do without super hard alcohol, since, unlike beer and others, part of its purpose is a harder buzz, your gut taking consequences in the process.

I think the worst part of beer is the yeast in it. For some reason, "ice beer" makes less beer burps in me. Less "un-comfort" vs some of the more regular pilsners/lagers (cheap basic beer) or the ingredient loaded "belly stretching" micro brews. The wheat beers (Blue Moon ect) I cant stand for this reason. Some of them are like candida fertilizer - or at least they feel like that effect.

If a type or brand of beer makes you feel and look like a bloated racoon on the highway shoulder- might be best avoided.

After three months of the whole30 version of paleo diet, gut feels rock solid enough right now to try anything - but I know better. I've been through that cycle before, then dive back in to unhealthy foods, and before you know it I'm back to square one. I keep reminding myself that if the immune system really truly lies in the gut health, I cant go back to that. Healthy eating is more difficult with the busyness of nice weather coming, parties ect.

Post Edited (astroman) : 4/9/2017 10:29:56 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 4/9/2017 10:48 AM (GMT -6)   
That's why I avoid the alcohol more than any other reason - the way it affects my sleep. With still healing my adrenals, good sleep is still critical for me. I can have so so sleep for up to 3 nights now before I'm needing a day in bed (which is a huge improvement!), but it still s*cks.

I know that alcohol isn't good for me anyway, but getting good sleep is honestly my biggest motivator.
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julymorning
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   Posted 4/9/2017 11:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I cook with beer every once in a while.....simmer brats in it, add it to a cheese sauce which is probably worse than the beer.. So I guess I'm left with the yeast but not the alcohol.

Except that I will take a good swallow or two of it first.
Wine was the one that suddenly had quick repercussions that shocked me.

I make a poor man's pate' spread too, and like adding a half shot of Dr. McGillicuddie's Apple Pie liquor to it, uncooked. it's only 21% alc.
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   Posted 4/9/2017 11:23 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Girlie said...
Lemme know tomorrow how ya feel!

Lol


Ha..well right now I feel like having another one..........only problem , I stashed the few I had sitting around around so good three months ago (outa sight outa mind), that now, I cant find where I put them LOL!


Lol!!!

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   Posted 4/9/2017 11:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Wine has a lot of sugar in it, and may have been setting off yeast/fungal issues. I used to cook with wine and beer, but not in a very long time now. I can tell that it still affects me - not the alcohol, but the wheat in beer and the sugars in wine.
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   Posted 4/9/2017 11:59 AM (GMT -6)   
ChickenArise said...
Pirouette said...
mmm…. I could go for a Hefeweizen right now. I am what beer aficionados call a beer wienie and only like the really light wheat beers. ;)

-p


Oh no, wheat and yeast! What's pleasure for you is pain for me.

I miss Belgium Ale but I am going to behave myself. Cant remember the last time I had alcohol outside of a tincture.

If you can get away with it, its nice to treat yourself every now and again. Enjoy!
Oh no - I do not drink beer or wine or alcohol anymore. NONE. My body cannot handle the sugars or the wheat or yeasts. Nothing gives me a vaginal yeast infection faster than some wines - even 1/2 a glass. And the wheat beers swell me up like a balloon, painfully. The joy is gone.

So many people say they drink alcohol before bedtime to help "wind down" but for many, this is just a reason to drink because it's notorious for disrupting your blood sugar, which causes insomnia sx.

-p

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   Posted 4/9/2017 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
I've always found the "wind down" effect from alcohol to be only temporary. Noticed that during my young party days early on - I would wake after a few hours of sleep.

Camomile tea and other calming herbal teas obviously have no buzz, but they are good before bed, somewhat helpful, combined with magnesium they are effective..

Dont let the "lightness" of wheat beers fool you. Could be worse for those who feels "off" from wheat vs other beers.

Some true dark stouts and bocks with less wheat and less carbonation go down very well.........those should not be confused with the trendy American hoppy micro brews which can have a similar uncomfortable gut effects to wheat beers. Color actually doesn't correlate to the fullness feeling that some beers can have. Some traditional West European stouts actually go down and have less "wheat bloat" effect than a wimpy Bud Light.

Note: I'm past the lyme "killing stage" and still healing. Those still in the hunt prob should avoid all alcohol.

Post Edited (astroman) : 4/9/2017 1:48:37 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 4/9/2017 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll drink to that!

Very few shelf stored beers have any active yeast in them. Wines - especially champagnes - likely will. Brewers "cold filter" (remember that MGD promo?) their beers to remove yeast to prevent spoilage. Prior to ultra-filtration they pasteurized bottles and cans, but kegs couldn't be pasteurized so they had to be kept refrigerated. Years ago Coors wouldn't ship east of the Mississippi, partly for that reason. They ended up shipping refrigerated tankers of concentrated beer east for packaging. Now filtration eliminates that. Wines typically have a higher alcohol content (though not compared to some ultra-high gravity beers.) Alcohol, being a waste by product of fermentation stops the yeast from working. It is possible to get some yeast carry over from some craft beers, though any that are filtered will be sterile.
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astroman
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   Posted 4/9/2017 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Id like to see a chart of sorts of the gluten levels in the different grains used in different beer styles - that might explain the fullness- uncomfortable feeling some beers can cause.

My few beer guzzling friends sport "keg" shaped bellies, so I wont be asking them this question LOL.

Post Edited (astroman) : 4/9/2017 2:07:08 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 4/9/2017 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
You all are making me thirsty. Haven't had a glass to drink for two and a half years. Probably for the better

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   Posted 4/10/2017 10:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Astroman - was it worth it? I'm eyeing the kids Easter candy lol.
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astroman
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   Posted 4/10/2017 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
I'll pass over candy for a beer anytime wink

But...the "outa site, outa mind" theory applies to candy as well. You should go hide it from yourself!

Beer is "candida fertilizer", but one wont matter.

[Too bad water doesn't taste like good beer, instead of beers that taste like bad water.]

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   Posted 4/10/2017 12:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Kat1000 said...
Astroman - was it worth it? I'm eyeing the kids Easter candy lol.


That's funny. When ever I bought my son's candy - whether Xmas or Easter...I would have to go buy more because I would sneak some of it when I was alone...so kept having to replenish it.
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Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 4/10/2017 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Astroman: "Id like to see a chart of sorts of the gluten levels in the different grains used in different beer styles - that might explain the fullness- uncomfortable feeling some beers can cause. "

Except for gluten free beers - which typically use rye - most brewing grains require substantial malted barley. Barley malt contains the enzymes necessary to convert the starches in the grain to sugars that the yeast can ferment into alcohol. Adjuncts - corn, rice, etc, can be difficult to convert due to the temperatures required to start the process. AB actually goes to a lot of extra effort to produce Budwieser when it would be much easier - and less costly - to brew a simpler beer.
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