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Kev9412
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   Posted 5/31/2017 4:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, I've got a flea / mosquito bite back in mid-September last year, when a day later I started to have a EM-alike ring red rash on my arm while getting flu-like symptoms such as a runny nose, sore throat, fatigue in limbs and a heated forehead (but not fever).

And in these recent weeks symptoms like intermittent joint pain, stiffness in back, difficulty with concentration, forgetfulness, mild tremors during sleep, headaches, lightheadedess, increasing joint creaks and cracks, fatigue, severe insomnia and early awakening, unexplained weight loss, heart palpitations and breathlessness pop up one by one, sometimes coming together hand in hand... I don't know if it was Lyme or not. It also affects me a great deal in my normal life.

An Infectious Disease specialist I consulted told me that in Hong Kong (the place where I was bitten) Lyme Disease is not an notifiable epidemic disease and that there were NO cases reported in Hong Kong, though I managed to find a piece of news regarding a man getting Lyme arthritis from a local infection back in 2008. What do you think? And are there any LLMDs in / near Hong Kong whom I can seek help from?

julymorning
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   Posted 5/31/2017 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Kev, I don't have any listed on my list. The fact that it's not a notifiable disease there of course doesn't necessarily mean there aren't cases, or even lots of them.

I take it you are still in Hong Kong?

If I were you I'd look into alternative treatments that can often be found universally or available through mail. At least until you can find a Lyme Literate Doc that will treat you with antibiotics the proper way, and not 2 or 3 weeks worth of doxycycline, which likely will not do you much good at this point. You might get some antibiotic protocol ideas from others here that WOULD be helpful, and see if you can find any kind of doctor willing to prescribe what you need, for as long as you need it, without them being afraid of scrutiny and sanction like they are here and in Europe.

What ever protocol you use, you need to stay on it for about 2 months past the ending of all symptoms. You don't want to stop if you have even one symptom left.

Welcome to the forum, by the way. Please look over our intro "New to Lyme?....start here" for tons of helpful information.


One of the more popular treatments are herbal, and there are a few knowledgeable people offering protocols. Stephen Buhner is very popular. He has a web page online, and books in print. His latest "Healing Lyme 2nd edition" is very good, and as I said these people offer suggested herbs to help with the infection as well as helping the immune system return to better function; as that is seen to be THE way to healing.

It's important to know what other issues may be going on in your system that will get in the way of healing the Lyme (and any co-infections). Such as yeast overgrowth, genetic markers that resist detoxing, heavy metal loads, viruses such as EBV, etc. These almost have to be dealt with first, once you know you have any of them.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 5/31/2017 6:12:02 PM (GMT-6)


Girlie
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Kev, welcome to our community!

I found this:

/singaporenaturalremedies.com/?p=496

This facility mentions following Dr. Klinghardt's treatment modalities.
Dr. Klinghardt is well-known in the "Lyme" world.

" Internationally known for his successful treatment of chronic pain and illness, Dr. Klinghardt combines non-surgical orthopaedic medicine with immunology, endocrinology, toxicology, neural therapy, hypnotherapy and energy psychology. "

www.klinghardtacademy.com/BioData/Dr-Dietrich-Klinghardt-MD-PhD.html
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 5/31/2017 6:16:17 PM (GMT-6)


Pirouette
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Kev -

Welcome to the forum. Sorry you're here but glad you found us.

Lyme is all over the globe so it's only a matter of time before more cases show up in HK.

Julymorning gave some great advice - you might be on your own. Would be nice if that ID doc would work with you - maybe after you wrap your head around Lyme & co, we can give you IDSA guidelines for diagnosis and treatment to take back to him to at least get a starting course of abx... and then work from there.

But I also like the idea of you starting right away and treating yourself. Many people are dokng that.

Let us know if you have any other questions -

-p
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DETOX: Pinella/Burbur/Parsley/Milk thistle/Burdock/Red root; Samento/Banderol/Enula; JK/Turmeric; BFM-1; antifung; many many supps; cholestyramine!

Kev9412
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks guys, cuz the point of concern is not just the fact that doctors in Hong Kong were either very cautious in prescribing antibiotics ever since the outbreak of SARS in 2003, or they can be very lenient but know nothing of Lyme Disease, but if it is really due to a local infection the bunch of blood test testing only for the burgdoferi strain like those from Fry Labs, IgeneX or Advanced Labs would probably be useless.

I wonder if things like CD57, C6 Lyme test, PCR urine test, Live Blood Analysis under dark film microscopy or any others may help as a test for all other strains of Borrelia, like sinica and japonii? Many thanks.

Post Edited (Kev9412) : 5/31/2017 6:31:23 PM (GMT-6)


Kev9412
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Pirouette said...
Hi Kev -

Welcome to the forum. Sorry you're here but glad you found us.

Lyme is all over the globe so it's only a matter of time before more cases show up in HK.

Julymorning gave some great advice - you might be on your own. Would be nice if that ID doc would work with you - maybe after you wrap your head around Lyme & co, we can give you IDSA guidelines for diagnosis and treatment to take back to him to at least get a starting course of abx... and then work from there.

But I also like the idea of you starting right away and treating yourself. Many people are dokng that.

Let us know if you have any other questions -

-p


Haven't the IDSA guidelines been critized as too strict in its analysis that it missed out many of the Lyme patients?

Kev9412
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
And the fact that local pharmacies are unwilling to sell antibiotics without a doctor's prescription makes me unable to purchase them on my own... sad

And even if I can, I don't know which antibiotics I shall take, how long I shall and what I shall do if there were any Herx reaction, co-infection or relapse of the Disease should the original treatment failed...

I basically don't know what to do.

julymorning
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Kev9412 said...
Pirouette said...
Hi Kev -

Welcome to the forum. Sorry you're here but glad you found us.

Lyme is all over the globe so it's only a matter of time before more cases show up in HK.

Julymorning gave some great advice - you might be on your own. Would be nice if that ID doc would work with you - maybe after you wrap your head around Lyme & co, we can give you IDSA guidelines for diagnosis and treatment to take back to him to at least get a starting course of abx... and then work from there.

But I also like the idea of you starting right away and treating yourself. Many people are dokng that.

Let us know if you have any other questions -

-p

Haven't the IDSA guidelines been critized as too strict in its analysis that it missed out many of the Lyme patients?



I'm 125% confident Pir. meant Ilads instead. ILADS = International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society


Ooops, guess I was wrong.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 5/31/2017 6:42:19 PM (GMT-6)


Pirouette
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Kev...

YES the IDSA guidelines are kind of worthless, except to prove to an ID guy that even by the awful standards in those guidelines, he owes you some abx.

ETA: the guidelines state that with an EM, you should have received a prophylactic course and some will provide this while waiting for test results.

That buys you time until you can a) convince him to learn something, buck the system and treat you correctly or at least long enough to bide you a little more time, or figure out your next steps.

Also, to bide you more tjme, I can share online Pharmacy (not requiring an Rx) info with you - it's more expensive and not sure what HK's shipping restrictions are for meds - you could call and find out. Email me if you like.

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 5/31/2017 6:50:36 PM (GMT-6)


Pirouette
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   Posted 5/31/2017 6:52 PM (GMT -6)   
That said... it might be easier and maybe just as effective to treat yourself with herbal protocols. You'll likely add them to abx anyway. It's a bit of a learning curve but doable!

-p
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DETOX: Pinella/Burbur/Parsley/Milk thistle/Burdock/Red root; Samento/Banderol/Enula; JK/Turmeric; BFM-1; antifung; many many supps; cholestyramine!

Kev9412
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   Posted 5/31/2017 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   
I wonder, can CD-57 test the presence of all strains of Borrelia? That would help a lot better in diagnosis and I may see if I could persuade a microbiologist / ID specialist to help me do this.

Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 1:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi kev9412,

Did you manage someone in hk who knows a bit more about Lyme or willing to provide a longer course of antibiotics?

I am new here and I'm living in Hong Kong, and I just got diagnosed and was prescribed with only 2 weeks of doxycycline.

I read in many articles that 2 weeks is not enough and I should at least get 4-6 weeks. But I face same situation you had, since not surprisingly we are in hk and antibiotics are cautiously prescribed...

So if you can shed any light, I'd be grateful

Kev9412
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   Posted 6/17/2017 2:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Alison8 said...
Hi kev9412,

Did you manage someone in hk who knows a bit more about Lyme or willing to provide a longer course of antibiotics?

I am new here and I'm living in Hong Kong, and I just got diagnosed and was prescribed with only 2 weeks of doxycycline.

I read in many articles that 2 weeks is not enough and I should at least get 4-6 weeks. But I face same situation you had, since not surprisingly we are in hk and antibiotics are cautiously prescribed...

So if you can shed any light, I'd be grateful


Hi Alison, how did you get diagnosed with the Disease?

Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 2:33 AM (GMT -6)   
I got bitten in Germany, and the tick was still attached to me when I discovered. I went to a hospital to remove the mouthpart (as I removed it by hand mistakenly), and the doctor specifically explained to me about the EM rash and asked me to watch out - and then briefly told me about Lyme disease, but told me it is very rare there and I shouldn't worry.

I didn't start to have a rash until after 2 weeks, which I came back to HK already. I went to a doctor, showed him the rash and told him about my history of being bitten by a tick and what the doctor in Germany told me. He literally had to google it up in front of me.

I still have no idea if I really have the Lyme, neither does he. I haven't done any test. He just thinks it is, and gave me 2 weeks of doxy. I was still skeptical, but few hours right after I started the doxy, I started to feel extremely exhausted and in a state of "drunkness". Then I read about herxing and came across this forum...

So I still am not 100% sure, or maybe I'm in denial....

But still, I haven't figured out a way to get my doxy course extended from 2 weeks to 4-6 weeks. Do you have any idea? Any doctor or RX pharmacy that would be willing to give me more doxy would be helpful.

Jinna
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   Posted 6/17/2017 2:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Allison and Kev,

I got bitten in Switzerland, by the BORDER of Germany, and my daughter got bitten first in Belgium.

With ONE bite, we both fell very ill with lyme disease, that took us years to heal with INTENSIVE treatment, literally thousands of substances, herbs, homepathics, frequencies.

Ticks here in Europe may be very contaminated, but good news is that stronger immune systems do NOT fall ill with lyme, despite dozens of bites.

I live in Switzerland, went to Germany for treatment (Germany and Swiss), both are followers of dr. Klinghardt.

If you go see the guy who practices ART in HK, he can PROBABLY test you for ALL infections and COINFECTIONS.

I went to 2 practitioners following dr. Klingh. and BOTH had all slides to test me for coinfections. Both found ALL coinfections during the years I saw them, because I got bitten several times (I am still bitten several times a year, but after treating my IMMUNE SYSTEM for so long, I do not fall ill anymore).

If I were Kev, I would have no doubt to go see the ART practitioner. He will probably do ENERGY TESTING for the pathogens, unless he's a doctor and can send samples abroad (if lyme is not endemic to HK, they won't have the tests, probably).

I never did tests for coinfections here in Europe, but I had all symptoms of Babesiosis, for example. The time I fell ill with lyme and coinfections, NO ONE believed in Babesiosis, Ehrlichiosis, Bartonellosis, etc here in Germany- SWitzerland - Belgium.

I got fully well with dr. K's approach + Buhner's approach (100% SELF TREATMENT, no doctor following me on that) + Chinese herbs (self-treatment) + photon & nosode treatment ( self treatment, following the protocol dr. W. from Germany).

Both daughter and I are lyme free for the last 8 years, but it took us about 4 years to heal, with intensive treatment.

I think dr. Klinghardt's approach helped us out with reinforcing the immune system.

Buhner's herbs were like emergency treatment, they helped me to keep alive (I almost died from lyme, I could no even sit up anymore, so weak I was) while I looked for help. Only after I started Buhner, I found dr. K's practitioners in Switz and Germany.

Read my story, I just posted an 'introduction' here in the forum some days ago. You'll see that I got the EM rash, I had ZERO symptoms then, took 2 weeks doxy, told cured.

Weeks after I started having arthritic symptoms. Then all lyme symptoms, one after another, with hard neck (probably encephalitis / meningitis), air hunger, paralysis, heart symptoms, hormonal imbalances, night sweats, light sensititivity, tinnitus, liver pain, digestive symptoms, etc...

A lot can be done on your own, without help, but with a lot of reading and exchange of information (in case there is no one there to help you)

But if I lived in HK, I would go see the ART / Klinghardt guy, without any doubt. Even if he will test you only energetically, probably, he can prescribe all antimicrobials in herbal forms, or homeopathic forms.

I borrowed a device from one Klingahrdt-practitioner that had all rife frequencies for lyme disease and other diseases for a month and after using it for many days, I actually felt better.

I didn't know what was giving the effect: rife-microcurrents, herbs, homeopathics, acupressure that they were prescribing me, but I did not care. I could walk again, go out for a few hours and bear sunlight again (I could not before, I just kept throwing up), I could even do some light physical work.

Before that, I was not even able to take a shower on my own.

I would really give it a try. Their approach literally changed the way I see treatment and health, in general.

Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 3:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Jinna,

I just read your post too - and in fact I got bitten somewhat near the black forest, somewhere near Baden-Baden but I was up in the hill for 5 days.

Sorry for the ignorance, this ART thing (is it Autonomic Response Testing?) is a testing method? And I who is this practitioner in HK?

My priority now is (if I really have Lyme) not to let it get to chronic - which I learned from here that 2 weeks doxy is not enough. And that I just read that might not even be enough with only doxy, as there might be other confection?

I was bitten on 29th May, and I thought I am catching this early enough. But I don't know what to think now, and the more I read the more I panic. Because I really don't know what I can do now, except keep on taking the doxy and figure out within these 2 weeks to find a doctor that would prescribe me longer doxy.

Right now I feel really quite normal except fatigue and occasional muscle pain, but it's no news for me as I have sciatica - so I don't even know it's my normal sciatica or a symptom.

Is there any way I can make myself not fall into chronic, and kill whatever that could be in that tick that I don't know? Just to imagine is horrible, as we don't have insurance here and I work as freelance. There is no way I can even stop working now...

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   Posted 6/17/2017 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Alison8 said...
Thanks Jinna,

I just read your post too - and in fact I got bitten somewhat near the black forest, somewhere near Baden-Baden but I was up in the hill for 5 days.

Sorry for the ignorance, this ART thing (is it Autonomic Response Testing?) is a testing method? And I who is this practitioner in HK?

My priority now is (if I really have Lyme) not to let it get to chronic - which I learned from here that 2 weeks doxy is not enough. And that I just read that might not even be enough with only doxy, as there might be other confection?

I was bitten on 29th May, and I thought I am catching this early enough. But I don't know what to think now, and the more I read the more I panic. Because I really don't know what I can do now, except keep on taking the doxy and figure out within these 2 weeks to find a doctor that would prescribe me longer doxy.

Right now I feel really quite normal except fatigue and occasional muscle pain, but it's no news for me as I have sciatica - so I don't even know it's my normal sciatica or a symptom.

Is there any way I can make myself not fall into chronic, and kill whatever that could be in that tick that I don't know? Just to imagine is horrible, as we don't have insurance here and I work as freelance. There is no way I can even stop working now...


I had posted a link to a place in Singapore - I don't know how long the travel would be for you.. or if the facility is still treating Lyme. I had googled it when the OP started this thread.

Here is the link:

/singaporenaturalremedies.com/lyme-disease-singapore-lymes-disease-treatment-lyme-disease-treatment/

Is there any way you can get more antibiotics? online? Not sure if the online pharmacies would ship to HK.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 6/17/2017 9:19:47 AM (GMT-6)


Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 9:36 AM (GMT -6)   
It's a bit difficult to travel right now...

I think I can try with local small pharmacies, hopefully there could be chance they would do. But I don't know if doxy is enough anymore. This afternoon I started to have numbness on my left arm, around bicep/triceps down to my wrist. It's weak and numb more than pain. I don't know of its new symptoms or again herx? Do symptoms of herx shift so fast?!

I am going to try to call the government health department that is responsible for transmitted disease on Monday. I found they have documents stating that local doctors should inform them of suspected Lyme case, and they are able to do igg and igm. So I guess they should have some knowledge too, I hope.

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   Posted 6/17/2017 9:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, the symptoms can change around pretty quickly. Most with Lyme find this to be true, although there may be a few symptoms that remain for longer periods of time.

Would you consider an herbal protocol? That you can do on your own without the need for a doctor to write the prescriptions for the right abx at the right dosage.

Kev - no, the CD57 is a test of the function of the immune system, not a test for detecting these infections. While it does help some get a diagnosis, it's usually in conjunction to at least a few bands on the WB being positive or IND.
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Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 9:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, I actually prefer herbal stuff, even though I don't know how much of those stuff I can find here.

I saw someone wrote here that used a kind of Chinese herbal granulated protocol. I have seen most of the herbs, but unfortunately there's no amount of each herb... Otherwise I can ask local Chinese herb store to just make it for me...

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   Posted 6/17/2017 10:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Do you remember the post/protocol? Maybe we can be of some help?

Also, have you emailed Girlie? I don't think you have emailed me asking if we have LLMD's listed in Germany - we do. Although not knowing where you are located, I'm not sure if it would be a lot of travel or not for you. Please don't post where you live here, but if you do email one of us, then if you would tell us we could help you check to see where these doctors are located.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

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   Posted 6/17/2017 10:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
Do you remember the post/protocol? Maybe we can be of some help?

Also, have you emailed Girlie? I don't think you have emailed me asking if we have LLMD's listed in Germany - we do. Although not knowing where you are located, I'm not sure if it would be a lot of travel or not for you. Please don't post where you live here, but if you do email one of us, then if you would tell us we could help you check to see where these doctors are located.


Traveler - I believe she is back in Hong Kong now (not Germany)

...the only treatment I could find in Asia - was the one in Singapore (looks like they follow Dr. Klinghardt)
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 10:43 AM (GMT -6)   
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602246&g=3865764#m3865764

This is the post I read, but I read it again and if I'm correct, this herbal protocol might be a personalised one instead of a generic-already-mixed one.

We have quite plenty of Chinese doctors here, we usually go there they check our tongue and pulses, listen to our symptoms and give personalised prescription with combination of herbs...

If it's a already-mixed prescription that can be applied for generic use, then I can ask the shops to just get the herbs for me. But if it's personalised, maybe it doesn't help after all...

Traveler
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   Posted 6/17/2017 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Traveler said...
Do you remember the post/protocol? Maybe we can be of some help?

Also, have you emailed Girlie? I don't think you have emailed me asking if we have LLMD's listed in Germany - we do. Although not knowing where you are located, I'm not sure if it would be a lot of travel or not for you. Please don't post where you live here, but if you do email one of us, then if you would tell us we could help you check to see where these doctors are located.


Traveler - I believe she is back in Hong Kong now (not Germany)

...the only treatment I could find in Asia - was the one in Singapore (looks like they follow Dr. Klinghardt)


Oh - Oops!! I missed that part of the conversation!! So sorry! blush
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

Girlie
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   Posted 6/17/2017 10:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Alison8 said...
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602246&g=3865764#m3865764

This is the post I read, but I read it again and if I'm correct, this herbal protocol might be a personalised one instead of a generic-already-mixed one.

We have quite plenty of Chinese doctors here, we usually go there they check our tongue and pulses, listen to our symptoms and give personalised prescription with combination of herbs...

If it's a already-mixed prescription that can be applied for generic use, then I can ask the shops to just get the herbs for me. But if it's personalised, maybe it doesn't help after all...


I believe that one of the herbs is Japanese Knotweed...which is part of a well-known (buhner) herbal protocol for Lyme disease.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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