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Pirouette
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   Posted 6/3/2017 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   
gfields said...
If you know you have lyme disease, is it unethical to get a new girlfriend or boyfriend? Isn't that the same thing as having sex with someone if you have AIDs or HIV?

I've read that not only is it transmittable by sex, but it can be transmitted through breathing in dehydrated spirochetes. So a bodily fluid that is dried and then inhaled can transmit the disease. There apparently government studies on this, and they found that this is possible.
Please post links if you can! Very interesting...

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   Posted 6/3/2017 4:29 PM (GMT -6)   
mm57553 said...
There are a lot of doctor's who believe that most people, as many as 90% in endemic areas, have been exposed. Kind of like Epstein Barr. I think 94% of the population will test as being exposed to Epstein Barr, but most of those people will never have been diagnosed with mono and are not sick.
I completely agree (with the remainder of your post too, but wanted to highlight this piece, particularly). IMO, the bioengineering of "modern Lyme" has made this wholly indeterminable so it's become a crap shoot.

I think the moral to this story is... just don't get sick.

-p

Moodylyme
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   Posted 7/20/2017 1:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok so because of this topic I had to create an account. I am a 26 year old male. 7/4/15 I developed a myriad of symptoms and checked into a hospital. Plenty of tests run, "as healthy as can be." You all know the story. All they wanted to prescribe was benzo's for anxiety. I was the happiest person prior to this disease. Anyways I continued on with my life, I have self-treated with so many herbs and supplements and I can say I have made a massive difference without even knowing what I was fighting (perceived parasites) but this post is not about my recovery. It is about SEXUAL TRANSMISSION.

Believing that whatever symptoms I had were not contagious (never any signs of sexual disease EVER), I have slept with a few girls over the past 6-8 months. With three of those girls I did not use protection. It is so unfortunate to say that ALL three of them developed my exact symptoms, I found out today. My current girlfriend developed symptoms last week leading me to ask these other girls. I went to my doctor demanded a test and tested positivefor Lyme, babs and Bart. I have never been bitten by a tick. I believe I contracted it sexually, as well. It may not be scientifically recognized but I swear to you Lyme is sexually transmitted. Yes, we should treat it as though it is herpes or HIV because you can drastically alter another persons life for a couple hours of lust.

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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Bluelyme - can you tell me more about plaquenil? My LLMD prescribed this and I am taking it with some other stuff. I can't tell if I'm herxing or not but I'm experiencing lots of symptoms that I only experienced when I was at my worst (soreness, muscle fatigue, circulation feels crappy).

mrdude
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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Moodylyme - is there a way I can contact you directly? My girlfriend has a lot of similar symptoms to me and I'm not sure how to deal with it.

bluelyme
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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:46 AM (GMT -6)   
mr dude- plaquinil is a fav among rhuemys because it has a very long have life ,probable slight immunosuppressive , most ai stuff root cause is protozoan in nature imo..it replaced quinacrine as the drug of choice back in the day for malaria..
it suppresses the growth of babs , fl1953, giardia and toxoplasmosis and malaria but rarely eradicates . llmds like it because it stops the efflux pump to some bacteria and makes intercellular penetration of other abx more effective . eye checks must be done before and during prolonged therapy as it can effect them adversely . again has a 3 week half life or something and builds quite a bit . i chose alinia , artmesia, 3x a week rife and bvt instead. took care of babs in about 3 months

back on topic i see partners of lyme infected persons with spirochetes all the time . mine included . very much a std

Moodylyme
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   Posted 7/20/2017 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
MR DUDE you can click the email button under my name to send me a direct message.
Lyme disease is SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED. I transmitted it on three seperate occasions before being tested for Lyme because of these transmissions. It is despicable the cover-up surrounding this disease that will one day cripple our nation.

hollsya
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   Posted 7/20/2017 11:15 AM (GMT -6)   
So lyme can be transmitted sexually, but can it be transmitted through saliva? Like by kissing someone?

Girlie
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   Posted 7/20/2017 11:24 AM (GMT -6)   
hollsya said...
So lyme can be transmitted sexually, but can it be transmitted through saliva? Like by kissing someone?


That is the question.

Personally, I don't think so. It could just be passed on via blood but not saliva. So, if there are sores in the mouth of the person with it...and the person they're kissing...then I'm thinking it's more probable it can happen.

But there are people who do believe it's passed on via saliva.
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bluelyme
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   Posted 7/20/2017 11:54 AM (GMT -6)   
On saliva ..i think yes..peteza hubby may agree...other spirochetes exist in the mouth why not borrelia ...anecdotally some one caught it from a tear of a infected person ...so why not spit ..imo .a huge percent of people already have borrelia ,like if every one doesnt they will...

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   Posted 7/20/2017 12:22 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
On saliva ..i think yes..peteza hubby may agree...other spirochetes exist in the mouth why not borrelia ...anecdotally some one caught it from a tear of a infected person ...so why not spit ..imo .a huge percent of people already have borrelia ,like if every one doesnt they will...


But does the spirochetes in the mouth always translate into passing on infection?

Could it not be the same as Syphillis (spirochetal) - where it's there in the mouth, but only passes on if there are open sores in the mouth (i.e. blood) ?
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Pirouette
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   Posted 7/20/2017 1:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Moodylyme -

Welcome to the forum. I'm REALLY sorry you're here but very glad you decided to post and share your story. I hope the site is useful to you. These members are not only very educated but supportive.

Please read the "New to Lyme?" thread at the top of the page for more information on Lyme & Co and don't hesitate to ask any questions. Let us know if you need help finding an LLMD.

Moodylyme AND mrdude--
Regarding the sexual transmission issue - please also keep in mind that MOST people who contract Lyme can also pick up other coinfections. Now, some will assert this is more probable through tick bites but of course, nothing has been effectively studied.

I am so grateful for people like you and others here who are talking about this issue - the lack of appropriate studies, acknowledgement in the scientific/medical community and CERTAINLY CDC and IDSA, and the DISinformation they continue to promote, sexual transmission of Lyme & Co is one of the MAIN reasons for the current epidemic we face today.

This (they) must be stopped. Please share this forum and other information as best you can.

-p

bluelyme
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   Posted 7/20/2017 4:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie ...setup a kissing booth for every id doc in america and canada and i will personally pucker up and wet my whistle ...lol

you dont need a cold sore open to get herpes...

Girlie
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   Posted 7/20/2017 7:03 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
Girlie ...setup a kissing booth for every id doc in america and canada and i will personally pucker up and wet my whistle ...lol

you dont need a cold sore open to get herpes...



blue- you make me laugh. tongue
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Moodylyme
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   Posted 7/21/2017 12:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Piroutte-

Thank you for the kind introduction. I apologize for being so late to reply. I absolutely positively agree with you that the CDC and others are either ignorantly or purposefully allowing this problem to become greater year after year.

Excuse me expressing myself for a moment. During the two years before diagnoses I went to different doctors a number of times and ALWAYS left with the feeling deep down that something so much bigger than me was going on.. And it always felt sooo shady. Now I go to sleep at night feeling as if I know that is absolutely undeniably true.

To anyone who is currently dealing with Lyme or any chronic disease my heart goes out to you. I also challenge you to take it upon yourself to heal yourself. Unless you find a doctor who has compassion and brains, you're wasting your money imho. Good luck to all and my email is open to anyone who needs a shoulder. We're all family now bonded together by something that has altered each of our lives. Crazy stuff but it's a crazy world. Much love.
Lyme disease is SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED. I transmitted it on three seperate occasions before being tested for Lyme because of these transmissions. It is despicable the cover-up surrounding this disease that will one day cripple our nation.

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   Posted 7/21/2017 12:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Moodylyme said...
Piroutte-

Thank you for the kind introduction. I apologize for being so late to reply. I absolutely positively agree with you that the CDC and others are either ignorantly or purposefully allowing this problem to become greater year after year.

Excuse me expressing myself for a moment. During the two years before diagnoses I went to different doctors a number of times and ALWAYS left with the feeling deep down that something so much bigger than me was going on.. And it always felt sooo shady. Now I go to sleep at night feeling as if I know that is absolutely undeniably true.

To anyone who is currently dealing with Lyme or any chronic disease my heart goes out to you. I also challenge you to take it upon yourself to heal yourself. Unless you find a doctor who has compassion and brains, you're wasting your money imho. Good luck to all and my email is open to anyone who needs a shoulder. We're all family now bonded together by something that has altered each of our lives. Crazy stuff but it's a crazy world. Much love.


There are a lot of good LLMD's that heal many. This is why it's important to see someone who is indeed Lyme Literate. Most 'regular' Dr.'s don't have a clue on how to treat LD.
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Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Moodylyme
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   Posted 7/21/2017 12:54 AM (GMT -6)   
You're correct girlie. I should have been a tad more specific. Also, who's to say that your normal doctor won't refer you to someone who is Lyme literate. I guess from my experience I hold a bit of a grudge against doctors. I made so much more progress not even knowing what I was treating than they ever did in my case haha.
Lyme disease is SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED. I transmitted it on three seperate occasions before being tested for Lyme because of these transmissions. It is despicable the cover-up surrounding this disease that will one day cripple our nation.

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   Posted 7/21/2017 12:58 AM (GMT -6)   
and then there's my regular Dr. who is very supportive.

During the 15 months pre-diagnosis...she did try to figure out what was wrong with me...weekly lab work...specialists...she did do the Canadian lyme test...but I was negative.
She just didn't know any better.

She is very supportive now that I am in long-term treatment with a ND.

..and when someone walks into her office with a bite and they think it was a tick that bit them, she offers them a course of antibiotics.
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Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 7/21/2017 1:31 AM (GMT -6)   
After reading Moodylyme's story, I am seriously concerned. This is a big blow to the future.

What happens if Lyme and coinfections are "healed"? It is difficult to totally eradicate these bugs. But if someone is in remission then is that safe?

I totally aim for completely eradicating these bugs. It is foolish to leave the enemy behind alive. It will come back in future, after 5 10 20 years, waiting for the right time, weak immune and some stress to trigger it. Is total eradication possible?

Lyme is mini AIDS.

Moodylyme
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   Posted 7/21/2017 1:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I wish I had a more definitive answer for you newuser22. Granted when I transmitted Lyme I had not taken any antibiotics only herbs and supplements. While my symptoms had greatly reduced, it is obvious now that I was very much contagious.

I will say she started having pain during sex and has had vaginal discharges lately. Obviously this has shaken up our lives immensely. From as healthy of a sex life as any couple in America to many unanswered questions. I will be sure to keep you up to date as we have both started on antibiotics.
Lyme disease is SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED. I transmitted it on three seperate occasions before being tested for Lyme because of these transmissions. It is despicable the cover-up surrounding this disease that will one day cripple our nation.

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   Posted 7/21/2017 11:33 AM (GMT -6)   
newuser22 said...
After reading Moodylyme's story, I am seriously concerned. This is a big blow to the future.

What happens if Lyme and coinfections are "healed"? It is difficult to totally eradicate these bugs. But if someone is in remission then is that safe?

I totally aim for completely eradicating these bugs. It is foolish to leave the enemy behind alive. It will come back in future, after 5 10 20 years, waiting for the right time, weak immune and some stress to trigger it. Is total eradication possible?

Lyme is mini AIDS.


Many LLMD's call it 'remission' not cured...because it is thought that our immune system is dealing with them...but they're not totally gone.

i know several people (in my location) who have been in remission for years...and their lives have gone on without having to worry about a relapse. Three of them just moved on...and believe they are 'cured' so don't really pay attention to keeping their immune system strong. I hope they don't relapse. A fourth one is a teenager and caught it quite early on but undertreated with a week of abx. That was a year ago...so far everything is good. I am worried about that one.
Another one has been in remission for over a year now...and she is very conscious of staying healthy - fairly strict diet now, reducing stress in her life...etc.

I'm still working on getting this disease into remission.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Pirouette
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   Posted 7/21/2017 3:49 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
Girlie ...setup a kissing booth for every id doc in america and canada and i will personally pucker up and wet my whistle ...lol

you dont need a cold sore open to get herpes...
wheeeeeeee

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   Posted 7/22/2017 6:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Its kind of crazy this thread revived when it did. My wife has started tp get night sweats and headaches shocked ! We went to her pcp wednesdsy to tell her what was going on. Told her we wanted a lymes test for my wife so she ordered it. Results should be back thursday or friday. I'll let you guys know what we find out. I hope she doesn't have to go through all of this. I still can't believe out of all the docs i saw not one of them mentioned the possibility of sexual transmission. mad

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   Posted 7/22/2017 10:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Mike - is it an Igenex WB test?
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Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

newuser22
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   Posted 7/22/2017 4:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
newuser22 said...
After reading Moodylyme's story, I am seriously concerned. This is a big blow to the future.

What happens if Lyme and coinfections are "healed"? It is difficult to totally eradicate these bugs. But if someone is in remission then is that safe?

I totally aim for completely eradicating these bugs. It is foolish to leave the enemy behind alive. It will come back in future, after 5 10 20 years, waiting for the right time, weak immune and some stress to trigger it. Is total eradication possible?

Lyme is mini AIDS.


Many LLMD's call it 'remission' not cured...because it is thought that our immune system is dealing with them...but they're not totally gone.

i know several people (in my location) who have been in remission for years...and their lives have gone on without having to worry about a relapse. Three of them just moved on...and believe they are 'cured' so don't really pay attention to keeping their immune system strong. I hope they don't relapse. A fourth one is a teenager and caught it quite early on but undertreated with a week of abx. That was a year ago...so far everything is good. I am worried about that one.
Another one has been in remission for over a year now...and she is very conscious of staying healthy - fairly strict diet now, reducing stress in her life...etc.

I'm still working on getting this disease into remission.


What protocol did these three use? How long did it take?
Can these WB bot Igenex, DNA connexion etc tests can be used for eradication verification? ART/energetic testing can help a bit.

I just don't think it is smart to keep any of these infections alive in the body. These really are billion-year-old predators, who survive with manipulation and deception.

They have no legit reason to be in the body, not in any count, not 1, not 1 million. Good bacteria and harmless bugs don't manipulate and deceive; they help, modulate immune etc.
Leaving behind any bug means leaving back door open for major sickness when in future there is some stressor.
Leaving them behind means possibly spread them in the family, small chance of spreading to wife husband, kids.
They can cause cancer and other diseases, even in small number hiding in some corner they can mess with the DNA and cells and produce cancer.
These bugs adapt to treatment, abx, herbs, today they will keep their head down, and after 10 years they will rebel with greater force when the time is right for them.

It is a predatory game, can't leave the enemy alive, can't slack.

I am still at the beginning of my Lyme war since I discovered it last month, waiting for more tests results to come back. I need a clear idea of the threat landscape, and then carefully design strategy for each of their strengths and weaknesses.
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