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trader758
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   Posted 6/18/2017 9:29 PM (GMT -6)   
www.deeranddeerhunting.com/blogs/lyme-epidemic-clock-tick-tick-ticking

On one hand, im glad he wrote the piece, on the other I wish he would have jumped into Lyme and everything it encompasses. I understand he was bit, glad he got treated and very glad to see him take the time to let hunters know hey look! this stuff is nothing to mess with. Guess thats all I can expect. Somehow, im left wishing for more....and im not sure why.

julymorning
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   Posted 6/18/2017 9:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I could have done with the the smiling bear killer and that beautiful beast lying dead at his feet, but it's good to have another celebrity with the ear of many out there educating.
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trader758
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   Posted 6/18/2017 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
We can get this deleted if one feels the need to comment on the ethics of hunting. That isnt what this is about, and as a moderator im offended you would make a comment towards that. Hunters number over 14 million in the US alone, and theyre at risk. Im glad someone is getting the word out.

julymorning
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   Posted 6/18/2017 9:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry about my animal sensitivities. My empathy extends beyond humans. But I apologize for making my feelings known and do not worry about the need to delete at all. I wasn't trying to make a case against the ethics of hunting but I won't explain further.

Time for me to go to bed.
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Fibro diagnosed '85 Lyme (false?)positive '92,Osteoporosis, COPD, Hypertension, degen. disc disease, RMSF pos. Spring 2015, CHF, osteoarthritis. No LLMD. Used Doxy, Zithro and Flagyl since June '15, mono each time. Useless. Current treatment JK, Milk Thistle, kudzu for head fullness/pressure, avena sativa for nerves. Bragg's ACV, lemon water, Herbal de-tox tea.

Jinna
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   Posted 6/19/2017 12:44 AM (GMT -6)   
i also agree with july. I hate to see hunters smiling on hunting photos with a dead bear.

We may go on killing all living beings, but when these living beings come kill us, they are wrong. Such as ticks and Borrelia, who now come to us in rage.

Now look at what ticks are about: we have invaded THEIR territories (tick land) for centuries, cut their habitats off, killed the beasts that normally get bitten and carry Borrelia and other pathogens, and now, ticks come to humans, WHILE Borrelia and company are looking for new hosts because we killed most of them!!

It's hard to say who's guilty right? So i agree that continue to go on with our mode of living, hunting, destroying the hosts that usually should protect us against ticks and Borrelia is maybe not the smartest thing to do.

Buhner says that EXACTLY : it's not ticks and Borrelia only that come attack us: we first attacked both ticks and Borrelia, and they simply try to find new hosts, as we humans are in THEIR territory.

The same way we, humans, have the right to live, so other animals, including ticks, bears, deer, and Borrelia (not an animal, but part of our environment) also do.

This EXACT mentality of human superiority is one MAIN ELEMENT that caused us extreme trouble with lyme disease. It's not the opposite, meaning, nature attacking us.

So I do agree with Julie, that this human superiority mentality is not right, concerning lyme and the ecosystem. If we are in big trouble with lyme and coinfections, it is our 'human' fault TOO. Ask Buhner, he'll tell you that clearly.

Post Edited (Jinna) : 6/19/2017 12:50:39 AM (GMT-6)


bluelyme
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   Posted 6/19/2017 2:04 AM (GMT -6)   
cat scratch fever is bartonella ironic ...haahha
if i were a cannibal i would eat ted nugent and ozzys daughter with a side a favra beans if my g6pd would let me

trader758
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   Posted 6/19/2017 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I find it odd, if not hypocritical, for patients afflicted with this dreaded disease to write off the benefits of hunting due to overemotional feelings toward the practice. We dont have to go into the fact that its illegal to throw away your harvest, meaning the majority of hunters use what they take. A healthy diet is paramount in surviving this illness, and its an indisputable fact that wild game is much healthier than any store bought item, organic or not.

But thats neither here nor there. The fact is, antis, who have the attitude of some here, are the number one cause of the proliferation and outright explosion of tick numbers in places such as south eastern PA where land owners, who are also animal lovers against hunting, have posted their lands to hunting which made for a perfect storm of sorts for whitetail deer populations to explode. Not only do these land owners now complain of an ecosystem completely out of whack, insurance companies raising rates due to extremely high auto interactions with wildlife, locals have now created a hot spot for tick related illness.

As a hunter myself, ive watched numerous parks, closest being Gettysburg National Military park of which my grandfather owned over 1000 acres, the landscape completely changed due to overpopulation of game animals as a direct result of PETA and HSUS. In this instance, the tough choice was made to bring in paid snipers to shoot as many deer as they could. Many of which were not recovered in a timely manner only to be discarded and buried on my grandfathers farm. Youll not read about that part in the news due to being kept hush hush to appease the very groups responsible for the overpopulation. These were professional marksmen, under strict guidelines rushed to decimate a herd that never should have been. High quality food completely wasted due in part to an overemotional human response to hunting.

As stated before, hunting wasnt the focus of this post, but since thats the direction it went due to some very misguided and very judgmental attitudes I felt the need to clarify my thoughts on the matter. Id love to post some very interesting studies on population density, fawn recruitment, explosion of predators(namely coyote), etc etc, that highly contribute to not only tick borne illness, but blue tongue, cwd, and many other disease running rampant....unfortunately I believe emotion would overrule the day. I learned long ago that many would rather buy their meats instead of harvesting their own, whether that meant they were getting an inferior product that would negatively impact their health. Reality is just too harsh for some. And that, unfortunately, is a pity.

Girlie
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   Posted 6/19/2017 10:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't think we want to get into a debate about hunting on this forum.


Trader - I'm thinking that the two posters weren't aware that it wasn't trophy hunting, and the meat was going to be used for food.
And, unless we don't eat meat...then we can't get overemotional about hunting...can we? In fact, what I have been seeing lately on some of the deplorable conditions that the farm animals are in...and how they are abused (there was a report just a few days ago on our news about workers being charged for abusing chickens) - it's nothing to be proud of...IMO.

I also don't like trophy hunting - i.e. where the hunters have no interest in the meat...just want the trophy, and are hunting near extinct animals.
But where I live (west coast BC, Canada) - hunting is still very much a part of the Natives lives. It is accepted here for the most part. It is not trophy hunting.
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Girlie
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   Posted 6/19/2017 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm also concerned that the brother in the wheelchair isn't getting any treatment. what a shame.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

LmLyme
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   Posted 6/19/2017 11:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I am a female hunter, a female that will pick up a cricket that's in the house and take it outside because I don't want to kill it. Hunting is not just about the killing to everyone. It is more humane for the animal to be grazing in a field and dying instantly than how the animals are treated if you are buying meat from your local grocery store. We hunt for the food, not for trophies, and trophy hunting does upset me, but if you eat meat, you really don't need to bash hunters. Try watching some documentaries on meat processing and you'll want to go gather your own meat.

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   Posted 6/19/2017 11:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Hunters are often times the most ardent conservationists and proponents of protecting ecological systems. I won't go into my personal position on any of this but we need to focus on protecting people from these diseases, whether they be hunters, loggers, athletes, suburban families, whatever a person might be. So any awareness is good in my book, especially for the more vulnerable groups in our population!

I think there is a lot of blame to go around for the explosion of these diseases, in many respects it is the agricultural complex and fragmentation of our environments and encroaching into various territories that has helped set the table. Everything has a price, as does our modern life and amenities unfortunately. The key is finding ways to minimize these problems and finding ways to understand the problems so we can get decent policies and solutions that help people.

And I do agree with LmLyme. The livestock industrial complex is incredibly disturbing (to me) and it is practiced at such astounding scale, it can be critiqued from multiple angles including ethical, environmental, economic. I think it is easier for most people to ignore this issue because they don't see it up close and their only relationship with this process is easy access to end product. Out of sight out of mind. Personally I don't think this system is sustainable for a variety of reasons, but I think resilience of various modern systems is very weak in general and likely unsustainable in the longer run.

Post Edited (sebreg) : 6/19/2017 11:48:24 AM (GMT-6)


WV Mike
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   Posted 6/19/2017 6:59 PM (GMT -6)   
My llmd recommended venison as a healthy protein source. I am a hunter. I fish. We can two or three deer a year, cold pack and ground. We can fish. We eat what we hunt and catch. Grass fed, free ranging and no antibiotics. There is a HUGE difference between some hillbilly putting food on the table (me) and some rich bored dude shooting lions in Africa for fun. Please don't confuse the two. Trophy hunting is not hunting. I am an animal lover, my dogs sleep in the same bed I do and I'm more attached to my African Grey than I care to admit. Ted can be very over the top and is not representative of the average hunter that I know.

bluelyme
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   Posted 6/19/2017 8:35 PM (GMT -6)   
If deer pick up cwd and ketes from ticks all day here .make sure not to eat any uncooked mrat .we had a discussion on food born transmission .one hunter cut himself while dressing a white tail and got lyme that way not sure if that was here or lymenet but misfortunate none the less..lets make this about celebs ising their famousness for lyme awareness and or the lack of it .we need a lymelight foundation for grown ass folk

WV Mike
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   Posted 6/19/2017 9:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I think the canning process would kill just about anything but I don't know for sure. We don't use the brain and quit cutting bone on chops because of cwd.

reminder
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   Posted 6/20/2017 5:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Does he still have that "funny little stage show"with him wearing a tarzan outfit swinging across the stage,lol.

Sorry,I can't take this guy seriously.

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Started with muscle waste (weight loss)and digestive issues,malaise,brain fog,fatigue.Kidney functions started to decrease.A Lyme Dr diagnosed me October 2015,Lyme,Mycoplasma,Candida,possible Bart...could be more,time will tell.Meds..pulsed Azithro..Rifampin w Flucozanole every few days.Fatigue,brain fog,anxiety,blurred vision always approaches mid afternoon,sometimes fades,sometimes until bed.
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