Can a TMJ headache cause headaches at the temples?

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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 1/8/2007 4:27 PM (GMT -6)   
im sure the regulars know my story. But my face pounds next to my ears where that little thing that sticks out next too your ears. if you put all 4 fingers on your face and go up thats where my headache is the worst .
  i have no jaw or tooth pain though and doc never mentioned anything about tmj. Seems he would of said something by now about possible tmj instead of changing his mind everytime as to why i have them.

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   Posted 1/9/2007 7:41 AM (GMT -6)   
I have TMJ disorder.

If you press near your ears on the jaw joint where it opens and closes... try pressing on it and opening and closing it.. if you feel pain.. you may have TMJ disorder... it is very common.. but you may want to check with your doctor.

My face pounds next to my ears because of the TMJ then it spreads into a full-blown migraine. *blech*

I have some jaw pain when I open my jaw wide....

There are many treatments for TMJ disorder.. I am too stubborn to get any of these options.

1 is a mouthguard... you can get it recommended by your dentist and he/she will recommend you most likely to a facial pain center. It is not covered under dental insurance and it will run you probably $500.

2 is the cheap mouthguard. These are absolutely awful in my opinion. I slept with one in my mouth for one night and woke up every five minutes and when I woke up in the morning my mouth was in seering pain so much that I tossed it in the garbage. ($25 at Walgreens.... another waste of money... blech)

3 is a splint... which I believe you have to wear 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to correct the problem.

4 is surgery. This is worst case scenario... one of the surgeries I read about it is that they go into your ear... make a tiny incision.. and insert a tiny camera... and then remove all the inflamed tissue in both jaw joints. (GOD I'D LOVE to have this surgery... seriously)


So talk to your doctor or dentist about it if you experience the pain above mentioned in your jaw joint when you press on it.


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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 1/9/2007 1:52 PM (GMT -6)   
no i have no jaw pain of any kind , so now i think i dont even have that. I want it to be tmj so i can make it go away. Its not pain, its a headache, pressure and pounding . Thats a different type of pain in my book. Sorry i cant go back to the doc as i cant pay anymore and will be sent to collections soon i believe. I was told their is one specific med for a tmj headache . Wonder why my doc has never mentioned possible tmj. Instead he prescribes me anxiety meds clonozapam and amitryptline

Nicky (coquitlam55)
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   Posted 1/9/2007 7:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi ttwarrior,
 
My migraines occur at my temples. I also get tension headaches that occur as a band from temple to temple across my forehead.
 
I'm not sure if this helps at all, but I use ativan, in combination with with 2 T3s, 2 Toradol and a gravol when Zomig doesn't work for my headaches. My headaches are often a combination of tension headache that lead to migraines. This combination of medications, including a medication to help with anxiety works really well. It usually stops the migraine in its tracks and doesn't require me having to take more pain killers.
 
Just a thought about how you might be able to use your anxiety medications to help your headaches.
 
 
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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 1/10/2007 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks for the help, im just not sure what kind of headache mine is or even if have any anxiety at all. My headache next to my ears and temple doesnt ever go away. its always there but just sometimes worse. I have it 24 hours a day 7 days a week and all blood tests came back normal. Except for the 450 bill that came with it. Ive never heard of the meds you just described but ill write them down and ask if i ever go back to the doc. I heard i might even have eye strain . I feel like at time i need to go to sleep but can't feeling.

Nicky (coquitlam55)
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   Posted 1/10/2007 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi ttwarrior,

I'm sorry to hear you're in so much pain and can't afford to go to the doctor. Do you live anywhere near the Canadian border? (I'm assuming you live in the US - If you don't live in the US do you live in a country that sells Codeine over the counter?)

In Canada we can purchase Tylenol with a small amount of codeine over the counter from the pharmacist and many Americans come across the border to purchase it. It's very inexpensive, $7 to $10 a bottle of 100 to 200. I have found that taking this with Gravol or Drammamine will relieve tension headaches and migraines and let me sleep. It's what a pharmacist recommended to me before I was able to see a doctor. I'm not a medical professional, so if you were to follow this route, check with a pharmacist, but it might be a short term solution to give you some relief. Another disclaimer, be careful if you try this, Tylenol with Codeine can cause rebound headaches, so don't take a lot repeatedly.

I hope that you are able to find a solution that works for you soon.

 

 


Nicky
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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 1/14/2007 11:16 PM (GMT -6)   
codeine, been prescribed that , does nothing, tylenol with codeine does nothing at all and i cant have a rebound headache because i have it 24 hours a day 7 days a week

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   Posted 1/15/2007 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
This might sound really trite, but have you ever tried getting a really good massage for your neck and shoulders? I suffer from pretty awful tension headaches at least once a week, but they used to be every single day until I saw a massage therapist. I have anxiety so the muscles in my shoudlers are just incredibly tense. Two or three appointments with my massage therapist usually helps for a while. I also wear a bite splint at night that my dentist made. Its a hard plastic mold just to be worn at night to prevent me from grinding and clenching my jaw - which also can cause headaches. I too have headaches that even 3000mg of tylenol doesn't help, so I know how you feel. My headaches tend to travel all over my head, its pretty obnoxious! Sometimes its just on one side, sometimes both temples, and the worst ones go from my forehead on the right side, behind my eye, behind my ear, and then down my neck. Ugh. Anyways, I'd really recommend trying the bite splint and massage thing, it can't hurt and it really might help.
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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 1/15/2007 3:09 PM (GMT -6)   
well i massage myself with essential oils. I do go to a chiropractor. Was going 3 days a week, now one day a week but charging me 99 a month and that is a special discount he gave me. He took x rays and said i had neck trouble and spinal trouble, said he even detected birth trama.

It has helped some as i dont lean forward as much and even told i stand up straighter. Im thinking i dont have tmj though since no pain in teeth, jaw, and i dont clench my jaw or grind my teeth. My head is also just fine on top , in front and in the back. Mine is just next to my ears and travels up only.

I was told there was a med that helps with this and i should ask about it. I think its called pregnolsone or something like that. It will be at least a month before i go back and they are gonna turn me over to collections likely

hopeful82
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   Posted 1/15/2007 4:10 PM (GMT -6)   
i would see a real certified massage therapist who specializes in neuromuscular massage and myofascial pain. there are some techniques they can use to release the musclse in your neck. trust me, it reallllly helped me out soooo much!! i'd look into it if i were you, i couldn't believe how my neck/shoulder tension was causing so much pain.
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LadyAislin33
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   Posted 1/18/2007 4:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Where would you find one of those?  I also suffer from TMJ, muscle-neck, rebound and just good old migraines, so anything that could help would be great!
 
Thanks!
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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 1/21/2007 12:45 AM (GMT -6)   
do you take anything for tmj? I do see a chiropractor that did something for like 5 seconds and charges me 80 bucks. I can't even have a rebound headache cause it doesnt go away

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   Posted 1/21/2007 5:59 AM (GMT -6)   

I've suffered from TMJ for twenty-something years.  I think it started when I had my four impacted wisdom teeth taken out.  My oral surgeon's technique was to make a small incision, then crack the tooth into small pieces to be plucked out.  I think that he must have done some damage to my right side temporal mandibular joint.  When I open my mouth all the way it clicks on that side.  Ever since, whenever I had dental work done, my TMJ would act up.

Over the past ten years,  I would tense up my jaw without actually clenching my teeth or grinding them at night.  Thus, the standard methods of treating TMJ wouldn't work for me.  I could also aggrevate it by sucking in on my cheeks too much when I was under stress.  Eventually, this became one of my migraine triggers. 

I actually was going through physical therapy on my TMJ, which was a combination of stretching exercises, massage, and heat&electrical stimulation.  It felt pretty good, and I'm sure it would have helped a lot, had I not kept have dental work done.  For about two years, I've been going through major dental work.  I kept constant TMJ pain, which was contributing to 2/3 migraine attacks a week.  I was taking muscle relaxers, but the inflamation never had a chance to go away between dental treatments.  Unfortunately for me, the only anti-migraine medications that work for me now are narcotic in nature, and some new doctor saw me for a migraine after my regular doctor left for the day, and indicated that I was taking more medication, more frequently than a "average" migraine sufferer should take.  I was cut off cold from all my migraine meds.  I was supposed to be referrred to a "pain clinic", which I found out was actually a "DETOX CENTER" for people with heavy narcotic or barbituate addictions, like heroin and crack.  Not what I needed.  After over two months of trying to get an appointment, I guess the clinic manager decided that I didn't need their services.  I basically got hung out to dry.  I've seen a pain specialist at the University of VA Medical Center.  She did one round of occipital nerve injections, and scheduled me for a second round, but changed her mind about giving them to me on the second visit.  I got referred to the migraine specialist in the Neurology Department at UVA, but it's not until MARCH!!! confused

I'm still having dental work done, had three back molars pulled out this month.  I should only have a couple more visits with my wonderful new dentist, then hopefully the TMJ will be gone.  I was getting some rebound headaches, but I've figured out how to control them.  But, Heaven Forbid, the weather changes while my TMJ is hurting bad, then I'm in a world of trouble.   

Anyway, that's my TMJ story.  Looking forward to a ending soon!!!

Leigh Ann cool


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   Posted 3/30/2007 11:28 PM (GMT -6)   
TMJ...where do we begin..don't ask the Dr....do your research..sound stupid..well, ins doesn't usually cover it, it is considered unnesscesry unless your jaws are locked or something severe..and migraines are not severe enough.:>( So, he won't bring it up and you don't won't it on your records as the cause of your migraines. My relative has it and it is a mess! OK, weather makes it hurt, motrin makes it better, casual exercise helps, lots of it hurts (like gum chewing) , Motrin makes it better:>) Aleve really helps:>) it mostly is hurting and causing pain from inflamation, so an anti inflamatory helps greatly. and so does sleep but NOT on the stomach. And hot and cold packs help too. Ummm....and no teeth grinding, long kissing :>) , or poor posture. think I could go on forever tonight...

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   Posted 3/30/2007 11:54 PM (GMT -6)   
YEA!!! tongue
 
My TMJ is in total REMISSION!!!  I finished all my major dental work with my new dentist.  I think a big part of my continuing pain was that every time my old dentist worked on me, he used a clamp to keep my mouth open.  My new dentist didn't use a clamp, so I was able to close my mouth from time to time and it wasn't under constant tension.  My parents wrote a nasty letter to my old dentist with a chart comparing what he did vs. what my new dentist accomplished.  My new dentist pretty much had to do the previous work all over again, plus finish up what needed to be done, and at half the cost of my old dentist.  My new dentist is so great, he is giving me free monthly check-ups for the next year to keep ahead of things.  What a great guy!
 
Anyway, FINALLY A SUCCESS STORY!!! yeah
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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 3/31/2007 5:12 PM (GMT -6)   
how much does it cost to see a dentist if you have no insurance or will they even see me or make a payment plan with me since im broke. Still not sure if i have tmj but no i don't clench my jaw or have jaw, tooth pain,
 Just headaches next to temples and next to my ears on my face which maybe the same nerve running up.

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   Posted 4/1/2007 5:18 PM (GMT -6)   

Hey ttwarrior1,

You don't actually have to clench or grind your teeth to get TMJ, which is inflamation in the temporal mandibular joint.  This joint is the connection of the jaw bone to the skull.  I found that during the day I would suck in on my cheeks, a stress mechanism, which would irritate the TMJ.  Then, my dentist used a clamp to hold open my jaw exacerbated the problem, especially since I was going every few weeks.  A strong muscle relaxer can be very helpful. I've been through Flexeril, Skelaxin, and Robaxin, but have just been changed to a new one called SOMA(carisoprodol), which is wonderful.  I'm using it for pulled back muscles, since my TMJ is gone.

The problem about seeing a dentist without any insurance is a tough one.  You can always check around to see if anyone has a payment plan.  When I lost my insurance after my COBRA ran out, I had to go to the local free clinic.  They had certain days a week when you could get dental treatment.  They bussed in dental students and dentist from a dental school a couple of hours away.  The students just did simple things like fillings, which a dentist overseeing their work.  A certified dentist would do more complicated work, and the could prescribe the muscle relaxer for you.  Mouth guards are a waste of time and money, even the expensive ones made by a dentist.

You might be able to get your PCP to refer you for physical therapy on your jaw.  I did it for a while, but since I kept going to the dentist, I really didn't make any progres that lasted for very long.  For the time being, stick to anti-inflamatory medication and muscle relaxants.  Also, rest your jaw as often as you can by letting you jaw hang down, just so your teeth aren't together, and rest your tongue on the top of your mouth.  This is the most natural position for your mouth.  Hope it helps.

Good luck and let us know how your are doing.

Leigh Ann cool


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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 4/8/2007 10:44 PM (GMT -6)   
i don't think i have tmj, just something some have mentioned, i just noticed when i chew , where the area around the temples comes out is where i have my headaches. i also have nervousness. i take clonozapam and now i stopped taking headache meds, i take feverfew, b2, magnesium and drink juices .

First day this started, i also had stomach trouble and acid reflux for awhile but all that went away kind of quick, but not the headaches or whatever you want to call it.

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   Posted 4/8/2007 11:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey ttwarrior1,

You could be tensing up the jaw muscles when you aren't aware of it. You don't actually have to clench your teeth together, or grind them in your sleep to have TMJ. If you have a nervous problem, like I do, you could be doing it from that. I found that I also have a tendancy to suck my cheeks in, which stresses the same location, the TMJ joint. A TMJ flare-up can put you right into a migraine in a heartbeat. Been there, done that. about a million times. Try to puff out your cheeks every so often, which will relieve the tension some. Just a thought.

Leigh Ann
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