Am i doing something wrong with this bag?

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praying4healing
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   Posted 7/29/2008 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok so u guys know i switched to the coloplast assura extended wear, w/velcro. So my question is, y is it that when i go to empty before i even get it all the way unraveled, is it wet? is it leaking from the bottom? is there a way to keep the tail dry?
25 y/o female- crohns disease since 14
Ileostomy pending-very worried
Tried asacol,pentasa,prednisone,remicade,6mp,azasan, no avail
Seatons placed
Worst year ever!

"For God has not given us the spirit of fear....."
Where does mine come from?!
 Temp Ileostomy performed 1/29/08
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summerstorm
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   Posted 7/29/2008 12:32 PM (GMT -6)   
maybe you aren't getting it clean all the way, or there could be a teeny tiny hole in the plastic part at the bottom,

maine
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   Posted 7/29/2008 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
tongue    HI
 
I USE THE SAME KIND OF BAG AND I HAVE FOUND THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP THE END  UP UNDO  THE VELCRO AND JUST KEEP IT PINCHED CLOSED, POINT DOWN AND THEN LET IT GO!N  DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 
 
DIANE FROM MAINE eyes

badbaggirl
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   Posted 7/29/2008 3:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Once it gets 'velcroed' are you then making the extra roll and tuck up in between the bag and the 'fabric'? Sometimes I get lazy and don't do the extra step and the M9 drops leak out a little! I finally just switched to the Assura one piece 'midi' size and I LOVE it! Took me a year to finally find something I liked!
BadBagGirl
Crohn's Disease, Colostomy due to cancer and I make darned good dill pickles.


Equestrian Mom
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   Posted 7/29/2008 5:35 PM (GMT -6)   
P4H-now that you mentioned that, I remember mine doing the same...it is almost like it needs an additional "turn" to keep it snug.  I think I even tried closing it backwards, which was a tighter fit, but almost too much--I thought it would blow the sides out.
 
Sorry cannot help more, I ended up using another brand.
 

praying4healing
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   Posted 7/29/2008 5:58 PM (GMT -6)   
what brand did u switch to ohio?

maine if i understand u correctly thats what i do....i clean out the inside as far down as i can get the tissue too! but for some reason it still ends up wet, which means i have to get my fingers wet when im unrolling it, which is kinda grossing me out

badbaggirl,

i do tuck it in, my fear with the one piece is that i wont b able to tell if i cut the hole size correctly, how do u know if the fit is right?
25 y/o female- crohns disease since 14
Ileostomy pending-very worried
Tried asacol,pentasa,prednisone,remicade,6mp,azasan, no avail
Seatons placed
Worst year ever!

"For God has not given us the spirit of fear....."
Where does mine come from?!
 Temp Ileostomy performed 1/29/08
Still Adusting
 Healingwell.com has been my Godsend...Thank you


Slice
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   Posted 7/29/2008 7:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I have noticed the same thing and i'm not sure how to explain it. You really need to clean it as far into the bag as possible. I noticed when i don't the end of the bag....has sorta........ummm.....poo condensation???  haha  Not sure what to call it.  But i have noticed these bags do somehow gather moisture near the end when folded up.  Make sure you dry it off really well.
  I'll never go back to clip bags again. These have been the best. Although i'm not sure how some of you actually " burp" the bag by pulling the top part of these. The lock works so well i can't see pulling it off.  The only problem i ever had so far with these is i locked it, or so i thought, but it wasn't completely on the ring.  So about an hour later ( not sure how it lasted an hour ) the bag fell right out of my shorts and onto the floor.  Strange.  So now i make sure to tug it a few times to make sure it's on.
Bagged in Aug '06
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summerstorm
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   Posted 7/29/2008 9:25 PM (GMT -6)   
when you lock it on, you should hear it click, sort of like tupperware. What i usually do is make sure i hear it click all over, and then take my hands and run them all around the circle, pressign down.

Equestrian Mom
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   Posted 7/30/2008 6:39 AM (GMT -6)   
I ended up using Hollister New Image...it has a great filter that actually works (it does gather air at night, but works fine once I empty in am) the clipless end is easy and clean and it has a decent cover. I mainly chose it for the wafer, but if I remember, you have a flat stomach and it may even work better for you(I chance about every 4th day).

Ohio43
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   Posted 7/30/2008 4:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I have the Coloplast Sensura 1 piece and 2 piece units. I also have some of the extended Assura 2 piece. They are pretty much the same, but the Sensura have kept my skin in great condition. I also get these in wide outlet - that is a wonderful feature. I have found too, the the pouches (which area the same for Sensura and Assura), do sometimes collect moisture at the bottom. Like some of you said, wiping the tail out really well helps a great deal. I also rinse my pouch out every time I drain it. For some reason, I can't stand anything being left inside after a draining (even though it will continue to flow). I never "burp" my pouch. Everytime I go into the restroom I drain it while doing my other business. Works for me. : )

I never had any problems with the filters either. I've heard people say that about different brands. That's too bad - just another thing for us to deal with. : (

LittleE
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   Posted 7/30/2008 10:10 PM (GMT -6)   

Praying,

As you know, I am a fan of the Coloplast Assura line.. :)  This few drops of liquid you are talking about that  you can sometimes see when unrolling the bag to open it happened to me at first too--  The way I avoid that now is to do what Slice said and really clean/dry as far into the tail of the bag as you can.  I take a small wad of toilet paper and stuff it into the bag, and them actually squeeze the bag from the outside around the wad so that the toilet paper really gets into the side-edges and dries the tail out completely (does that make sense?).  Ever since I have made sure to really clean and dry out the tail of the bag as much as I can, I have not had any liquid seepage out the bottom.

Takes a bit of time, but you get much faster at it once you do it many times! :)

E


ediekristen
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   Posted 7/31/2008 10:28 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm curious.. How does the whole bag emptying/cleaning process work? I mean, when you dump it everyday while using the bathroom, do you take it off and rinse it out every time? If so how to keep your stoma from outputting everywhere while the bag isn't on? What about in public restrooms? How often do you replace your bag? Do they come in large multi packs?

I'm starting to understand the whole process but this part of it they really don't talk about on supply websites and whatnot :P

Female, 23, Ulcerative colitis (pancolitis) diagnosed at age 15; GERD; gastritis; osteopenia in femur head & lumbar spine from long term prednisone use. 

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summerstorm
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   Posted 7/31/2008 7:49 PM (GMT -6)   
well this is what i do to empty, i unroll it, dump it in the toilet, take some tp and clean out the end, then roll it back up. If i am home, i sometimes squirt water in it from the bottom to rinse it out, mostly only if i have eaten something that makes it sticky or thick. in a public bathroom i just clean it out roll it up and go.

flchurchlady
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   Posted 8/3/2008 7:32 PM (GMT -6)   

Praying - with a two piece appliance, you can put on a fresh bag every couple of days when the plastic around the velcro part starts to deteriorate.

Edie - those are excellent questions! Before I had an ileostomy, I thought you had to remove the bag and rinse it out each time you emptied, too, but that's not the case *thank God!

The bags have velcro closures on the end. You empty while sitting on the toilet, so it's no problem using public restrooms.

The only time you remove the bag is when you want to put on a fresh one or on wafer changing days, which, for me, is about once a week. I always change my wafer in the morning before I've had anything to eat, so my stoma is not active. I keep a washcloth over it after I get out of the shower, just in case.

The bags come in packs of 10 and last me over a month. The wafers come in packs of 5. My supplies are 100% covered by health insurance.

:-)  Cecilia



nene205
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   Posted 8/3/2008 10:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I find that if I rinse the bag out with a little water each time I empty it over the toilet; I can clean the end of the bag better. Then I dry the end and roll it up. Do you all use a lot more TP now that you have an ileostomy? I use a LOT. I also use a lot of bags. Every morning after my shower, I snap on a clean bag. That sounds so wasteful, I know, but I am a very compulsive person. At least I use only one wafer a week.

My health insurance pays only 80% of my ostomy supplies.

summerstorm
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   Posted 8/4/2008 8:09 PM (GMT -6)   
i do use a good bit of TP, probably not anymore than before, but now i buy the super cheap stuff from Sam's it's like 14.00 for 40 rolls!

nene205
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   Posted 8/4/2008 9:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Good idea. It's not like we need to use the super soft kind when wiping the bag out ! :)

summerstorm
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   Posted 8/4/2008 10:08 PM (GMT -6)   
yep that's what i figured too! and even though i am a girl, it's not that important for wiping the front either, someone said that to me, i think it was my grandma said, well you still have to wipe your front part. Crazy.
I just buy a nicer kind for my husband, and honestly i have discovered that the thinner paper is easier to use than the thick kind.
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