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awesomeame
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   Posted 1/22/2007 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
is there something better/cheaper out there besides "m9" ? i thought i read somewhere someone using peroxide or something like that??

--matt
Dec 2006: Proctocolectomy/permanent ileostomy
Since 1991: Indeterminate crohn's/ulserative colitis


Brannah
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   Posted 1/22/2007 11:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I use 3% hydrogen peroxide all the time, it works great!

Shaz032
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   Posted 1/23/2007 3:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I swear by 3% hydrogen peroxide - a small squirt in my bag and the next time I empty there is no odour at all.
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awesomeame
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   Posted 1/23/2007 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
is that the stuff they sell at the pharmacy or else where do i get it? thanks

--matt
Dec 2006: Proctocolectomy/permanent ileostomy
Since 1991: Indeterminate crohn's/ulserative colitis


awesomeame
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   Posted 1/24/2007 2:15 PM (GMT -6)   
ok, yup this is the stuff they sell at phamacies. i also happened to have 3 huge bottles of it upstairs in the medicine cabinet. it works great, thanks!!!

--matt
Dec 2006: Proctocolectomy/permanent ileostomy
Since 1991: Indeterminate crohn's/ulserative colitis


vette guy
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   Posted 1/27/2007 10:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Do you have to dilute it with water? Or, do you use it straight from the bottle? I've used M9 for about 10 years. It works great, but, boy is it expensive. I use about 2 bottles/month.

Shaz032
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   Posted 1/28/2007 4:25 AM (GMT -6)   
vett guy, just use it straight from the bottle - just a small squirt and it keeps me odour free for my next empty :)
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vette guy
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   Posted 1/28/2007 6:20 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm just a little afraid that it will damage my stoma over time. Has anybody used this method for a number of years without incident???? This would same me a small fortune if I can use it.

Shaz032
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   Posted 1/29/2007 3:00 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been using the 3% HP for over a year now without a problem and I know others who have used it for over 2 years.

It's the same stuff you use on scrapes and cuts and it can even be used as a mouthwash when you have ulcers inside your mouth so it's perfectly safe for stomas (which is made of the same type of skin as the inside of your mouth).

If you put it in the tail end of your bag, chances are it's not even going to reach the stoma anyway :)
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vette guy
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   Posted 1/31/2007 11:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Shaz. This should save me about $40/month. Maybe enough to buy another Corvette over time, LOL.

awesomeame
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   Posted 2/1/2007 9:27 PM (GMT -6)   
hey just a headsup. asked my et nurse about this, and i got a scolding!! she said peroxide destroys tissue over time, and also that there's "good bacteria" on your stoma which the peroxide destroys. she was pretty adament, also said m9 is the only thing i should be using for odour control. that's what she said, just thought i'd post it up..

--matt
Dec 2006: Proctocolectomy/permanent ileostomy
Since 1991: Indeterminate crohn's/ulserative colitis


vette guy
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   Posted 2/3/2007 12:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Matt- Thanks for replying. That's exactly what I was afraid of. I guess the old saying still applies...if it seems too good to be true.....

Shaz032
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   Posted 2/3/2007 5:25 AM (GMT -6)   
That's weird - I guess different ET's have different ideas, because I know two of my friends who asked their ET's about it and both ET's said it was fine and there shouldn't be a problem. I know I've used it over a year without a problem and know a few others who have used it over 2 years without a problem, but ultimately, it's up to you - you do what you're comfortable with :)
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cleo35
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   Posted 2/7/2007 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Do you all find you have a real problem with odor if you don't use anything or do you use the drops or peroxide because as a preventative measure? I don't use either and have never had a problem except when I eat things like a lot of cheese or creamed soup with cheese in it, etc. I'm just curious - hopefully I don't have a problem I'm oblivious to!!! Jeez, I would hope a friend would quietly mention it to me if that were the case....

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   Posted 2/7/2007 9:39 AM (GMT -6)   
i haven't been using any deordorizers now for a week, and frankly it doesn't seem to bother me. some days it smells more then others, sure. i would say i definitley have less odor now then before my ileostomy. before my ileostomy i'd stink up the whole upper floor of the house, now at worst i stink up the bathroom haha

--matt
Dec 2006: Proctocolectomy/permanent ileostomy
Since 1991: Indeterminate crohn's/ulserative colitis


Shaz032
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   Posted 2/8/2007 5:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Cleo, there is only odour when I empty. I tend to eat a lot of stuff that can result in stinky output, ie onions, garlic, etc so I really do need to use the Hydrogen Peroxide, esp at work - when emptying it can be lethal to anyone using the loo after me if I don't :)
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cleo35
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   Posted 2/8/2007 10:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Shaz, have you considered carrying a small bottle of deodorizer with you to the loo - like Ozium or something like that? I'm just thinking it might be preferable to the peroxide if it's liable to cause tissue damage - that's certainly something you don't need - and would be less expensive than the m9. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

You know, I don't really worry about the odor when emptying my bag because frankly, I've been subjected to some "toxic levels" of odor following a so-called "normal" person's trip to the loo :)

Shaz032
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   Posted 2/9/2007 3:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Cleo :)

I've used HP for over a year now without a problem. I've had advice from two stoma nurses that it's safe to use in my bag (it's also safe to use as a mouthwash - the 3% isn't strong at all - not like the stuff used to bleach hair or anything which is possibly what the other stoma nurse is thinking of).

We don't pay for our products here in Australia, so it's actually costing me money to use the peroxide but it's money well spent, in my opinion, since I've tried all the other ostomy deodorisers that are available, incl M9 but none of them do the job quite as well for me as the peroxide does.

The loos at work are tiny so I just feel more comfortable leaving them odour free for the next person. I don't bother using it at home since I live alone - there's only me and the kitties :)

Take care.
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vette guy
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   Posted 2/24/2007 1:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm resurrecting this thread because today I bought 2 more bottles of M9 drops at $37 dollars each and I'm fed up. That's a lot of money to not stink. I can't imagine that hydrogen peroxide can be harder on your stoma than stomach acid. And we know stomack acid isn't a bother to the stoma.
 
Shaz- does your stoma look any different at all after using the peroxide for a year???

Shaz032
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   Posted 2/24/2007 4:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Nah, Harriet is still her usually rosy red self that she's always been. She doesn't mind the HP at all.
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awesomeame
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   Posted 2/24/2007 7:44 PM (GMT -6)   
wow, i didn't know m9 was that expensive!! i haven't used any deordorizers now for a bit...i figure if everyone else can stink up the bathroom, why not me!!

--matt
Dec 2006: Proctocolectomy/permanent ileostomy
Since 1991: Indeterminate crohn's/ulserative colitis


vette guy
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   Posted 2/24/2007 11:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Awesomeame- It's ridiculously expensive stuff. And, if I remember correctly, it was only about $10 a bottle when it first came out about 15 years ago. It's not fair!!! As I said, that's a lot of money to not stink!

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   Posted 3/5/2007 3:18 AM (GMT -6)   
By the way, hydrogen peroxide oxidizes hydrogen sulfide, which is the chemical responsible for the poo odors we produce. There’s plenty to be read on the internet about the industrial use of peroxide (at much higher concentrations that 3%) in water/waste treatment to kill odor. It doesn’t mask the odor; it KILLS it. It doesn’t just mix with it; it chemically reacts with it and oxidizes the source of the odor.
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