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SHU93
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   Posted 6/10/2009 12:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I heard that Imus primary method of treatment is eating three Habanero peppers a day, which I think is insane but everyone has the right to treat the disease by their choice.
 
Since their orginal method of treatments have u included these peppers in your diet? Has any of your doctors recommeneded?
 
 
Just curious is I should start eating as a preventive measure??
 
Side Note completed my Relay for Life event last friday, event raised over 40,0000 dollars to Amecian Cancer Society!!!
 
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Age Dx 37, 7/2008
First PSA : 4.17 5/2008
Second PSA After 2 weeks of antibiotics : 3.9 6/2008
DRE: Negative 5/2008
Biopsy : 6 out 12 Postive all on right side, Gleason 7 (3+4).
Bone Scan/CAT Scan: Clear 7/2008
Cystoscope: Normal 7/2008
Prostate MRI: Normal 7/2008
Da Vinci Surgery 7/2008
PostOp: T2c (On Both sides), margins clear, seminal clear, nodes, clear. Gleason 6(3+3).
First PostOp PSA 9/2008: <0.01
2nd PSA 12/2008: <0.1 (Different Lab then 1st)
3rd PSA 3/2009: <0.1
 
 


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 6/10/2009 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
What a small world. I was just reading on another site/computer off topic site...a guy planted what he though were red bell peppers but got these nasty little fire bombs instead.

Age 54   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
Catheter in for five weeks.
Dry after 3 months.
 
10/03/08 - 1st Quarter PSA -> less then .01
01/16/09 - 2nd Quarter PSA -> less then .01
xx/xx/xx   - 3rd Quater skipped
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.
 


LV-TX
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   Posted 6/10/2009 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow...three peppers a day...I can imagine what Montezuma's Revenge feels like. Honestly though, I am sure that we are what we eat and for Imus...it's fitting.
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009 .06
                   6 month April 2009 .06


offpsa
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   Posted 6/10/2009 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Seems to me that if this was true there wouldn't be any Mexicans with prostate cancer. But I think it's their leading cancer in men.

offpsa
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   Posted 6/10/2009 1:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Can anyone find a actual Cedar Sinai site that says this or is it all second hand?
 
I've been looking, but can't.  Maybe they have a letter you must subscribe to?
 
I subscribe to several (MD Andersen, Cleaveland Clinic, Berkely ) and I haven't read this, so maybe it's all hype by the supplement industry.?
 
That link above says eatting 3-8 a week would do the job.  But, I wouldn't trust my life to this!  well, maybe if I just had an elevated psa, or post treatment.

geezer99
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   Posted 6/10/2009 1:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Actually, it is much more efficacious if you eat “Scotch Bonnet” peppers from the West Indies. By the way, with this remedy you will soon learn why habanero loosely translates to “fire at both ends.”

Research has clearly proven that, in terms of therapeutic excellence habanero peppers are rivaled only by ground unicorn horn for curing cancer, preventing warts, improving your eyesight, and making you attractive to beautiful women (sorry ladies.) The only drawback is that the three-a-day routine reduces your IQ to that of a bowl of cold mashed potatoes. This may explain something about those who advocate for such nonsense
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3 + 4 = 7
CAT scan 1/09 negative, Bone scan 1/09 negative

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Removed 03/08/09
Post surgical pathology report. Lymph nodes negative, Seminal vesicles negative
Surgical margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4 + 3 = 7
At 6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.


LV-TX
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   Posted 6/10/2009 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Ha Ha...good one geezer...needed something to make me smile today...and that one did it....thanks
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009 .06
                   6 month April 2009 .06


geezer99
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   Posted 6/10/2009 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
To be absolutely honest I did find one study that reported positive results with capsicum.

[Cancer Research 66, 3222-3229, March 15, 2006]

Capsaicin, a Component of Red Peppers, Inhibits the Growth of Androgen-Independent, p53 Mutant Prostate Cancer Cells
Akio Mori1, Sören Lehmann1, James O'Kelly1, Takashi Kumagai1, Julian C. Desmond1, Milena Pervan2, William H. McBride2, Masahiro Kizaki3 and H. Phillip Koeffler1

But note that this was done in laboratory dishes, not in human beings.
The study was done with Capsaicin dissolved in 100% ethanol present at >0.5%
So, if you were to replace all of your blood with alcohol with some hot pepper dissolved in it, then 24 hours later your tumor would be growing more slowly. Of course, you would be dead in less than a minute!
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3 + 4 = 7
CAT scan 1/09 negative, Bone scan 1/09 negative

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Removed 03/08/09
Post surgical pathology report. Lymph nodes negative, Seminal vesicles negative
Surgical margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4 + 3 = 7
At 6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.

Post Edited (geezer99) : 6/10/2009 3:36:21 PM (GMT-6)


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 6/10/2009 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I think I'd almost rather have cancer then to eat one of those red devils. Jalapenos make me ill just for looking at them.

Age 54   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
Catheter in for five weeks.
Dry after 3 months.
 
10/03/08 - 1st Quarter PSA -> less then .01
01/16/09 - 2nd Quarter PSA -> less then .01
xx/xx/xx   - 3rd Quater skipped
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.
 


LV-TX
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   Posted 6/10/2009 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh man Steve...living in Texas and not enjoy a good pickled jalapeno with your favorite nachos or fajitas...man that borders on being a Texas traitor....jk
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009 .06
                   6 month April 2009 .06


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 6/10/2009 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   

And I don't drink tea either shocked   Born and raised in Texas and I don't drink tea.

I would go find my post in the GERD/Heartburn forum here but you get the picture about the hot stuff tongue


Age 54   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
Catheter in for five weeks.
Dry after 3 months.
 
10/03/08 - 1st Quarter PSA -> less then .01
01/16/09 - 2nd Quarter PSA -> less then .01
xx/xx/xx   - 3rd Quater skipped
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.
 


LV-TX
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   Posted 6/10/2009 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Ooops....sorry Steve   blush ...yeah that ole Gerd will definitely make a difference.  I take the Aciphex for mine and it helps.
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009 .06
                   6 month April 2009 .06


geezer99
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   Posted 6/10/2009 4:32 PM (GMT -6)   
geezer99 said...
To be absolutely honest I did find one study that reported positive results with capsicum.

[Cancer Research 66, 3222-3229, March 15, 2006]

Capsaicin, a Component of Red Peppers, Inhibits the Growth of Androgen-Independent, p53 Mutant Prostate Cancer Cells
Akio Mori1, Sören Lehmann1, James O'Kelly1, Takashi Kumagai1, Julian C. Desmond1, Milena Pervan2, William H. McBride2, Masahiro Kizaki3 and H. Phillip Koeffler1

But note that this was done in laboratory dishes, not in human beings.

The study used Capsaicin dissolved in 100% ethanol present at >0.5%
Thus, if you were to replace all of your blood with alcohol with some hot pepper dissolved in it, then 24 hours later your tumor would be growing more slowly. Of course this would kill you in less than a minute.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3 + 4 = 7
CAT scan 1/09 negative, Bone scan 1/09 negative

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Removed 03/08/09
Post surgical pathology report. Lymph nodes negative, Seminal vesicles negative
Surgical margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4 + 3 = 7
At 6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.


BillyMac
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   Posted 6/10/2009 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Aha! The peppers returneth. Shu, quite some time back we had a new member raving about the Habanero peppers and their cancer killing abilities and how they had destroyed his PCa. He not only posted on this site but other PCa sites as well. It turned out he was involved with some dodgy doc in the manufacture and distribution of supplements rich in capsaicin derived from these peppers. He also quoted that obscure lab study. If I remember rightly the doc was prosecuted. TC-LasVegas may have a better memory of the incident than myself.
Bill
1/05 PSA----2.9 3/06-----3.2 3/07-------4.1 5/07------3.9 All negative DREs
Aged 59 when diagnosed
Biopsy 6/07
4 of 10 cores positive for Adenocarcinoma-------bummer!
Core 1 <5%, core 2----50%, core 3----60%, core 4----50%
Biopsy Pathologist's comment:
Gleason 4+3=7 (80% grade 4) Stage T2c
Neither extracapsular nor perineural invasion is identified
CT scan and Bone scan show no evidence of metastases
Da Vinci RP Aug 10th 2007
Post-op pathology:
Positive for perineural invasion and 1 small focal extension
Negative at surgical margins, negative node and negative vesicle involvement
Some 4+4=8 identified ........upgraded to Gleason 8
PSA Oct 07 <0.1 undetectable
PSA Jan 08 <0.1 undetectable
PSA April 08 <0.001 undetectable (disregarded due to lab "misreporting")
PSA August 08 <0.001 undetectable (disregarded due to lab "misreporting")
Post-op pathology rechecked by new lab:
Gleason downgraded to 4+3=7
Focal extension comprised of grade 3 cells
PSA September 08 <0.01 (new lab)
PSA February 09 <0.01


Geebra
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   Posted 6/10/2009 6:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Having once tried eating a whole peper (as a bet), I understand how it could drive those pesky PCa cells to a suicide...

Previous 5 biopsies over 4 years negative

PSA going from 3.8 to 28

Father died from PCa @ 78 - normal PSA and DRE

Dx Nov 2007, age 46

PSA 29, Gleason 4+4=8

Decided to participate in clinical trial at Duke

6 rounds of chemo (Taxotere+Avastin)

1/8/2008

33.90

1/11/2008

29.50

1/31/2008

38.20

2/21/2008

32.00

3/13/2008

26.20

4/3/2008

26.60

4/24/2008

20.60

followed by RRP at Duke (Dr. Moul) on 6/16/2008

Gleason downgraded 4+3=7, T2c N0MX, one small positive margin

PSA undetectable for 8 months, then

2/6/2009

0.10

4/26/2009

0.17

5/22/2009

0.20


MichGuy
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   Posted 6/10/2009 7:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Guys,
 
There was a thread on this once before  (http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1349748).  
 
FWIW, here's the link to the actual study that was done on capsaicin and prostate cancer:   http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/66/6/3222
 
Michguy

Age: 59, 59 at DX
PSA: 1/20/00 7.9, 7/22/00 3.3, 10/25/01 4.9, 10/19/04 5.1, 9/26/07 5.98, 8/28/08 7.68, 9/23/08 7.36, 10/23/08 8.64, 12/18/08 6.39
Prostate size: 96cc
Biopsy: 11/7/08 Positive 2 of 15 cores, both in rt apex, composite tumor quantity 5% prostate involved, Gleason 7 (3+4), Gleason pattern 4 accounts for 15% of tumor
Stage: T1c
DaVinci robotic surgery: 3/9/09, Dr. M. Hugh Solomon at St. Joseph Mercy Hospital, Ann Arbor, MI
Nerves: Spared left nerve bundle and partial sparing of right nerve bundle
Cath removed: 3/19/09
Pathology results: Gleason: 3+3=6, Tumor Quality: 3% of prostatic tissue; max. linear extent 4 mm, location: bilateral (apices), no extracapsular extension, no seminal vesicle invasion, no perineural invasion and no angiolymphatic invasion. Margins: Focal involvement (1mm) of left apical margin
Pathologic stage: pT2c N0 Mx


geezer99
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   Posted 6/10/2009 9:34 PM (GMT -6)   
This is the same cite that I posted above. So, lets follow the logic. As I noted above the published research used capsicum dissolved in ethanol as a 0.5% solution and the finding was that it slowed cancer growth.

OK
ASSUME that capsicum in the bloodstream is as effective as it is in alcohol.
Given that the human body has about 5,000 grams (5 l) of blood, then to replicate this experiment you must get 25 grams of capsicum into your blood stream.

ASSUME that when you eat habanero peppers that 100% of their capsicum goes into your blood stream. Now I haven’t been able to find out what percent of a habanero pepper is capsicum but let us generously suppose it is 1% (since any vegetable is over 90% water this assumes that 10% of the solids are capsicum)

Then you would need to eat 2,500 grams, 5 ½ pounds of habaneros to get the equivalent dose.

ASSUME that, unlike this experiment, you don’t want to just slow the growth of your cancer, you want to kill it. So let’s double the dose.

To “cure” your prostate cancer eat ten pounds of habaneros a day!
Here are your 70 pounds of peppers, call me in a week!
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3 + 4 = 7
CAT scan 1/09 negative, Bone scan 1/09 negative

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Removed 03/08/09
Post surgical pathology report. Lymph nodes negative, Seminal vesicles negative
Surgical margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4 + 3 = 7
At 6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.


goodlife
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   Posted 6/10/2009 10:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll take the knife thank you. ED and leaky pipes woud be a minor side efeect to that therapy. I wonder if you would have a wet ejaculation, or would it look more like a fire breathing dragon ?
Age 58
PSA 4.47
Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09
Nerves spared
0/23 lymph nodes involved
pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks due to anatomical issues with location of ureters with respect to bladder neck.
Try 3 tubes where no tubes are supposed to be for 2 weeks !
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Thankful for early diagnosis, and U.S. healthcare
Living the Good Life, cancer free
6 week PSA undetectable. 


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 6/10/2009 11:08 PM (GMT -6)   
This is still fresh in my mind. The capsiacin study returns is right, Billymac...

I contacted Cedars Sinai on this. The rats in the study were treated with processed capsiacin. There was plans to move this to a clinical trial but it was stopped in 2007. Apparently side effects did exist and one that was being investigated was high dosages actially inhibiting the performance of chemotherapy drugs, including HT and Taxotere.

Personally, I have always loved peppers, still do. Give me the crushed red peppers any day. Unfortunately, I have advanced prostate cancer. It did not help me.

If you are going to suppliment with peppers, be sure, like in all supplimentation, that it is safe with your doctors. Blindly assuming that this would be effective against prostate cancer is not wise. And if you eat extra peppers, do so because you like them. And if you start developing digestive issues, don't talk to those rats, that's not the way they ingested them...

Tony


 Age 46 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8 : Surgery at The City of Hope on February 16, 2007
Geason 4+3=7, Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
Positive Margins (PM), Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE) : Bilateral Seminal vesicle invasion (SVI)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 11, 2009): <0.1
 
My Journal is at Tony's Blog  
 
STAY POSITIVE!

Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 6/10/2009 10:47:50 PM (GMT-6)


geezer99
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   Posted 6/12/2009 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
While shopping yesterday I discovered that it takes about 50 habaneros to make one pound. I bought broccoli instead.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3 + 4 = 7
CAT scan 1/09 negative, Bone scan 1/09 negative

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Removed 03/08/09
Post surgical pathology report. Lymph nodes negative, Seminal vesicles negative
Surgical margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4 + 3 = 7
At 6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.


KeyWestPirate
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   Posted 6/12/2009 10:28 AM (GMT -6)   

Now  ...   it's broccoli??    When will this every end? 

One of the posters on the MD Junction site swears by wheat grass -grows his own.  Think fresh lawn clippings in a blender.

There are worse things than PCa  . . .


MichGuy
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Total Posts : 51
   Posted 6/12/2009 11:19 AM (GMT -6)   
As a reply to Gooog...  speaking of which:  http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/65/5/1635.pdf
 
- MichGuy
Age: 59, 59 at DX
PSA: 1/20/00 7.9, 7/22/00 3.3, 10/25/01 4.9, 10/19/04 5.1, 9/26/07 5.98, 8/28/08 7.68, 9/23/08 7.36, 10/23/08 8.64, 12/18/08 6.39
Prostate size: 96cc
Biopsy: 11/7/08 Positive 2 of 15 cores, both in rt apex, composite tumor quantity 5% prostate involved, Gleason 7 (3+4), Gleason pattern 4 accounts for 15% of tumor
Stage: T1c
DaVinci robotic surgery: 3/9/09, Dr. M. Hugh Solomon at St. Joseph Mercy Hospital, Ann Arbor, MI
Nerves: Spared left nerve bundle and partial sparing of right nerve bundle
Cath removed: 3/19/09
Pathology results: Gleason: 3+3=6, Tumor Quality: 3% of prostatic tissue; max. linear extent 4 mm, location: bilateral (apices), no extracapsular extension, no seminal vesicle invasion, no perineural invasion and no angiolymphatic invasion. Margins: Focal involvement (1mm) of left apical margin
Pathologic stage: pT2c N0 Mx


LV-TX
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   Posted 6/12/2009 12:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Another take on the same subject as Gooog

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7869709.stm
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009 .06
                   6 month April 2009 .06

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