Anyone have any experience with ProstRcision?

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Sonny3
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   Posted 9/3/2009 8:19 AM (GMT -6)   
I am two weeks from my scheduled da Vinci surgery and still reviewing options. Recent posts have made me more aware of the possibilities of other than surgery treatment.

I would like to hear from anyone who has experience (first or second hand) with the treatment options proposed by the ProstRcision outfit.

I am not trying to start another debate about which is better, surgery or radiation, but rather just trying to make an informed decision for myself.

If you are a radiation treated PC survivor, maybe you can take a look at their site and info on the Q&A pages and let me know what you think. It is ProstRcision.com and link to the Q&A.

By the way, this site seems to have one of the more easily understandable explantions of of the prostate, gleason scoring, staging and so forth that I have seen. It may be a good one for new PCers to see as they start their own quest for answers.

Thanks guys, I appreciate it,

Sonny
60 years old
PSA November 2007 3.0
PSA May 2009 6.4
Diagnosis confirmed July 9, 2009
12 Needle Biopsy = 9 clear , 3 postive
<5%, 90%, 40%
Gleason Score (3+4) 7 in all positive cores
CT Organ Scan - negative
Nuclear Bone Scan - Negative

Surgery set for September 2009 with Dr. Mani Menon at the Henry Ford Medical Center in Detroit.


GarthK
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Date Joined Feb 2009
Total Posts : 74
   Posted 9/3/2009 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Sonny,

My oldest brother went to the ProstRCision clinic in Atlanta just about ten years ago and is still receiving zero PSA tests. He was pleased with the experience and the clinic staff were really professional. There was a place for patients to stay (free, I think) and there were scheduled group activities like baseball games and the like as it took six weeks. Seed placement was the only uncomfortable time. Side effects were minimal but still occurred to some extent. My guess is that he'd do it again based on what he knows.

Me? I went RRP all the way and would do it the same way again.

HTH,
Garth
Vitae:
DOB: Q4'46, HT: 5'9", WT: 180
PCa:
PSA: <2.5, DRE: Slight enlargement, one node
Biopsy: 12/08
Cores: 4 of 12+ positive, Gleason: 3+3
Surgery: RRP on 1/21/09
Catheter: 15 days
Pathology:
Adenocarcinoma occupying 5% of prostatic volume (right posterior aspect)
Gleason: 3+2, No extraprostatic extensions, Perineural invasion within prostate only
No angiolymphatic invasion, No seminal vesicle invasion, Clear margins
AJCC: pT2a
Post-op PSA's
3/10/09 < 0.014 (undetectable by machine)
6/10/09 < 0.014 (undetectable by machine)


lewvino
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Date Joined Jul 2009
Total Posts : 384
   Posted 9/3/2009 9:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Sony,
In my research before I had the robotic surgery I actually went down and visited the Prostrcision clinic in Atlanta and met with Dr. Critz for a consult. Before the meeting he took the time to call me on the phone and we talked for about 15 minutes. They have a nice clinic and very friendly, knowledable staff.
On my consult they did three tests, a urine flow test, ultrasound and a cat scan on site. I met with two different Doctors one of them being Dr. Critz. I was actually his last patient on a Friday afternoon and he spent close to 1 hour with me (Going till about 5:30) beside's the time spent with the previous mentioned tests.

After much consideration I felt that the Davinci was still the way to go for me. One main reason was that Dr. Critz will run a table for you on his success based upon your PSA numbers and other factors and I came out in the 56% bracket of being cancer free in 10 years following his procedures and experience. Also I had several experiences that I felt were leading me to Nashville.

Give them a call ask for an appointment. If you are like me I wanted to EXPLORE ALL MY OPTIONS so I wouldn't have any what if thoughts after my treatment.

Good luck,
Larry
Age at diagnosis 54, PSA 5.1
Father treated for Prostate Cancer in 1997 with Proton Beam - Still doing well.
My Stats
Biopsy 04/08 12 cores, 5 positive
Gleason 3 Cores at 4+3=7, 2 Cores at 3+4=7
Perineural Invasion Noted on biopsy

Robotic surgery 08/12/09 at Vanderbilt, Nashville TN. 
 
Post Surgery - Dr. Spared 100% of Nerves on the left side.
Estimated that 50 - 70% of the nerves were spared on the right side.
 
Final Path report
20% of the prostate Invovled
Tumor graded at T2C
Overall Gleason 3+4 (7)
Lymph Glands Clear
Positive Margin 1.8 cm in length Noted in Right Apex


Sonny3
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   Posted 9/3/2009 9:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Larry, read your email. I just sent you one with my phone number.

Sonny
60 years old
PSA November 2007 3.0
PSA May 2009 6.4
Diagnosis confirmed July 9, 2009
12 Needle Biopsy = 9 clear , 3 postive
<5%, 90%, 40%
Gleason Score (3+4) 7 in all positive cores
CT Organ Scan - negative
Nuclear Bone Scan - Negative

Surgery set for September 2009 with Dr. Mani Menon at the Henry Ford Medical Center in Detroit.


silas1826
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Date Joined Sep 2009
Total Posts : 1
   Posted 9/4/2009 12:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Sonny:
 
I am a pc patient/survivor who chose the ProstRcision treatment option at Radiotherapy Clinics of Georgia www.rcog.com . Coincidentally, I am scheduled to see Dr. Critz next week for a semi-annual follow up visit. My last PSA was 0.19 ( 3 1/2 years after the implant procedure.)  I was treated in 2005.
 
For me, side effects have been minimal. Immediately following the procedure I did have some discomfort and, needless to say, the few days with the catheter was no fun. 
 
After evaluating several options, in addition to my urologist and my primary care physician, I consulted with two family members who are physicians as well. 
 
Clearly what impressed me the most was the readily available and published ProstRcision cure rate.  Moments ago, I looked at the www.prostrciscion.com site & note the overall cure rate to be 83%. I feel fortunate to be in their 88% group. 
 
I've read about da Vinci, talked to two da Vinci surgeons, talked to my own urologist, watched a video, and seen a demo (not live, of course). With all of its bells and whistles, da Vinci is still surgery. The jury is still out as to whether there is  any statistical data comparing da Vinci cure rates to those of traditional surgery.
 
I have peace of mind (and a good PSA) with my decision and experience with ProstRcision. 
 
Best wishes - Silas
 
 

MacJack
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   Posted 9/4/2009 1:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Sonny,

I was treated Sept.19,2002 in Atlanta with ProstRcision. Here are my stats before treatment.

53 years old
PSA 7.1
Gleason Score (3+4) 7
6 cores all positive
nodule right side
CT Organ Scan -negitive
Bone Scan-negitive

I'm now 60 and I've not had any side effects. I will tell you or anyone that I was blessed to have this procedure available. The staff and doctors are great. Dr. Critz did my seed implants but met other doctors while being treated. All involved with my cure were great.
If you have questions e-mail to bojack434@hotmail.com I'll give you my phone# By the way I live in Mi. by Metro airport.

alk32
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Date Joined Sep 2009
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   Posted 9/4/2009 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Sonny,
I was diagnosed in Dec. 2005 and went to RCOG (Atlanta) in Feb. 2006. My PSA was 2.4 but I still has cancer. My Gleason score was 7. I am currently 77 years of age. I was very impressed with every aspect of the people and treatment at RCOG. I had 94 seeds, catheter overnight, stayed one additional nights in Atlanta and drove home to SW Florida the next day without any problem. After 3 weeks, I returned to Atlanta for seven weeks of radiation. I had no side effects from the radiation at all until I was back home and then the side effects (some bowel ergency) were mild and dissapeared after a short period of time (a few weeks). My PSA is now 0.037 and it would be an understatement to say that I am very satisfied. The thing that impressed me the most was RCOG's consideration of their out-of-town patients. They have reduced rates at Atlanta's hotels and motels as well as a list of private homes and other places to stay and they have a considerable list of activities available for their patients. in short, they not only treat your cancer but also the whole person. Only you can decide what is best for you but for me it was definitely RCOG.
The best of luck to you, Al K.

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   Posted 9/4/2009 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Sonny3,

I was treated at the Radiotherapy Clinics of Georgia (RCOG) about 6 years ago. My PSA was 6.4, Gleason 3+3 and my Staging was T1c. My projected 10 year disease free rate was 94.7% with 0% projected urinary and rectal side effects. My last PSA was 0.16 ng/ml, I have no urinary or rectal side effects I didn't have before my treatment and at 71 I am just beginning to experience some ED problems.

In my opinion there is no better clinic anywhere in the world for treating prostate cancer (how is that for being biased by my experience). Four other RCOG patients and I generated a web site a couple of years ago to try to provide newly diagnosed prostate cancer patients with more useful treatment decision information. We have spent the last 6 months getting ready to update the site and have done what we wanted to do while making our treatment decisions but never had the time. The next update will not only compare the (normalized) average 10 year disease free rates of the top eight treatments performed in the U.S. but it will also compare serious urinary, rectal and sexual side effect rates.

I am not familiar with all the rules for using this site but I would be happy to email a copy to anyone interested in a draft copy of the comparisons. It is seven pages long including two pages of references so I am sure it would not be appropriate to send it through this site. If I am wrong, someone please let me know. My email address is xcpx@erols.com.

CJP
CJP

James C.
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   Posted 9/4/2009 9:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Please do not post any reports, etc, especially one 7 pages long. I can't help but notice that we suddenly have 4 first time posters, all with experience with the subject clinic and each one touting it as the best ever. May I ask you guys how you found this site and this subject? We are very sensative to spamming of commercial websites and such, so I must admit my curiousity and spammer-alerter has been awakened. How did you 4 first time posters arrive here?
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
22 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,Trimix 30/1/20-.05ml 2X week continues
PSA's: .04 each test since surgery


Tony Crispino
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Total Posts : 7661
   Posted 9/4/2009 10:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Very suspicious...

Tony
 Age 47 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8 : Surgery at The City of Hope on February 16, 2007
Gleason 4+3=7, Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
Positive Margins (PM), Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE) : Bilateral Seminal vesicle invasion (SVI)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 11, 2009): <0.1
 
My Journal is at Tony's Blog  
 
STAY POSITIVE!


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   Posted 9/4/2009 10:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I do not have a commercial web site, just another guy with PCa.

Tony Crispino
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 7661
   Posted 9/5/2009 12:01 AM (GMT -6)   
I did some research on this product and the claims by the RO.  Mike says it best at the InfoLink here is his response:
 
 
Tony


 Age 47 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8 : Surgery at The City of Hope on February 16, 2007
Gleason 4+3=7, Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
Positive Margins (PM), Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE) : Bilateral Seminal vesicle invasion (SVI)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 11, 2009): <0.1
 
My Journal is at Tony's Blog  
 
STAY POSITIVE!


James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4452
   Posted 9/5/2009 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, to give it both sides of the coin, I had a good friend go there about 5 years ago, and has been ok, zero's psa, claims no incontinence and ed, he wasy 52 when diagnosed, and a Gleason 3+4 and intact, if I recall correct. I considered it momentarily when I was first diagnosed. I'm not saying it isn't legit, as it has been in business for many years, and does have a good reputation. What twitched my radar was 4 new posters all speaking up for it so quickly and so close together. It just seemed like an unusual concidence to me.

I have heard nothing bad about the clinic, except some disagreement with their numbers and lack of study done. I sometimes wonder if I would have had better results if I had gone that route, myself... smilewinkgrin
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
22 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,Trimix 30/1/20-.05ml 2X week continues
PSA's: .04 each test since surgery

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