Dry ejaculation after needle biopsy.

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wigged-out
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   Posted 1/5/2010 6:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok.

So I had my biopsy back in November 2009. The sight of blood in my tinkle was so shocking, I almost felt like sitting instead of standing until it went away.

A few weeks and it went away. Then a week or so later came back. I also felt I needed to see if the 'ol love-tube was working so I did a little "self test". No ED, but large amount of blood in seman. Also shocking. Did a few more "self tests" over the coarse of a week and still the blood.

I felt awful and didn't want to have sex because I worried what the wife would think. Never mind she's a nurse and has seen it all, but you know...

One of the last "self test" sessions, I noticed something odd, dry ejaculation!!! What the ****!!!

I finally got the nerve to tell the wife, we fooled around and the same thing.

I don't think that the biopsy did any damage. I'm just thinking that my head is screwed up, with everything that I'm thinking about. However, the next time I talk with the doc, I will bring this up, with wife present.

I suppose the only good that may come out of this is that I'll have a spare bed room available once I get rid of all my ****! smilewinkgrin
Age: 53- good health, physical anyway. Tinkle alot at night- 4-6x's

DRE 11/08- no lumps, just enlarged prostate

1st PSA, total- 11/08= 6.1

2nd PSA, total- 8/09= 6.6 Referred to Dr. J. Hoeksema @ Rush Univ. Med. Center/Chicago

Needle Biopsy 11/09- 12 samples. 11 OK. Right Lateral Mid- Adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+3=6 9 involving 5% of specimen.
Second opinion scheduled 1/21/10 with Dr. Gregory Zagaja, Univ. of Chicago Med. Center


Purgatory
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   Posted 1/5/2010 6:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Trying to understand your situation. Having a prostate biopsy would not give you dry ejaculations. Only way that is going to happen, is if your prostate is removed. Am I missing something here in your story? The bleeding after the biopsy is common and expected.

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 in place


tatt2man
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   Posted 1/5/2010 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
dear wigged -
I am so sorry that you have been so stressed out. A lot of what you experienced should have been described as typical by your doctor which would have diminished your stresslever.
Blood in the urine and stool after a prostate sample biopsy is normal and can last up to three weeks.
Blood in the semen is normal since they have taken samples from the prostate.
Dry ejaculation - I can only speculate - the tubing may be plugged - ask your doctor
It is good to have your spouse / companion with you when discussing matters with the doctor. You will be amazed how much you forget to ask and how much you forget about what he told you ....

I did some freaking out myself after the initial 12 sample speciment biospies - I still cringe when I hear a staplegun sound ..
I was expecting some blood in the urine ( no blood , nice and clear) .. I was expecting blood in the stool, but not as much as what I got - the stool was not too bad but the cleanup - argh! - I felt I was being cast as a stunt double in the movie CARRIE - after two days the blood level calmed down and all was clear sailing after a week..

so, no worries, we all get wigged out - but you have this place as your rock! - I only discovered it recently, a month and a bit after my RP. And I am glad I did.
hugs.
BRONSON
.............
Age: 54 - openly gay - with common-law spouse of 13 years, Steve - 59
.................
PSA: 04/2007- 1.68 - 08/2009 - 3.46 - 10/2009 - 3.86
Biospies: October 8, 2009 - 12 specimens taken rectally
Confirmation of Prostate Cancer: October 16, 2009 - 6 of 12 cancerous, Gleason 7 (4+3)
Doctor: Dr. Mohamed Elharram -Urologist / Surgeon - Peterborough Regional Health Centre
Radical Prostatectomy Operation: November 18, 2009 , home - November 21, 2009
Catheter: in November 18 - out December 8, 2009
Incontinence: Life brand - Male Guards - extra absorbant - one for day - one for night - leaking on standing, quick movement, walking up stairs -
Incontinence Exercises: standing Kegel excercises - pelvic thrust (ala Rocky Horror Show Time Warp Dance) 20 reps x 5 times daily
Post Surgery Biopsy: - n/a - get results January 7, 2010 -
Post Surgery PSA: - n/a
ED:- some difficulty before surgery - after surgery - loss of length - 1-2" - some arousal 4 weeks after surgery - girth increase but not length
ED Therapy: use of water-based Bathmate pump - increase in girth and a little in length -
ED Prescription: n/a
...........
location: Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
............


geezer99
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   Posted 1/5/2010 6:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't seen anything like this on this board so ask your doc is clearly the order of the day.

I do remember that in High School health class (taught by the football coach) Coach suggested that JO was bad because a man had only so many "shots" in him and that if you used them up early you would regret it later on.

But it just may be useful to remember that the most important sexual organ is the brain and yours has recently taken quite a whacking.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day


MrGimpy
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   Posted 1/5/2010 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
If I were you your Dr just received a giant red flag for not telling you that a needle biopsy would case blood in your semen. That is common, if you get squeamish over red semen, wait, dark brown is soon to come as that means you are close to getting back to normal
Stats:
Age: 52
PSA (2008)=1.9
Biopsy on Jan 09, 2009
One (1) out of twelve (12) cores was positive, plus external nodule found
Gleason Score = 3+3
Surgery (Da Vinci, robotic prostatectomy): 4/7/09
Removed Catheter: 04/19/09
100% bladder control - Pad free 7/09
PSA 7/09 undetectable, under .0


Worried Guy
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   Posted 1/5/2010 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Wigged-out
A few weeks after my biopsy, I was shooting stuff that looked like used motor oil. Yuk. I never had dry shots. It is worth calling the Uro.
Now that my walnut is gone, dry is all I'll ever have. On the bright side, there is never a mess. Just think what we save on laundry.
Jeff
DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8th: 17.8. Start 2 weeks of Cipro to rule out protatitis.
May PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, Gleason 6=3+3. Bone scan and C/T scan negative.
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7, Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm, location: both lobes and apex.
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive.
No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
Post Surgery Status:
Potency - 12/11 5 months, Still no activity, zip. Using pump daily since 11/11. No effect with 20 mg of Cialis or 100 mg of Viagra. Shots next?
Incontinence - 8/20 4 full pads per day
.. 9/7 3-4 full pads per day (I'm going to try cutting down on fluids. Bad idea. I know.)
. 9/27 2 months: Still 3 pads per day.
11/14 4 months: Still 3 pads per day. 420ml/day, 91 um leak.
12/11 5 months: Still 3 pads per day. 400-450ml/day Experimenting with Nyquil for 10 days: Can sleep through the night but withdrawal is bad. Stopped 12/20.
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks - 0.05; 10/13 3 months - 0.04 undetectable.


wigged-out
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Total Posts : 130
   Posted 1/5/2010 7:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I need to connect some dots here.

First, I was made aware of the side effects by the Dr. So I knew "There will be blood". I also took an antibiotic before, during and for a few days after biopsy.

I was put on Flomax (which is now on my signature), and I think that may have a little something to do with the D E. Apparently these meds shrink prostate somewhat. BTW- the Flomax has had really no noticeable effet for what it was originally intended. I still get up several times to pee, after taking the Flomax for over two weeks.

I also tend to really let things go to my head, and that's why I'm thinking that I've made myself nuts over this.

Either way, if this continues or not, I plan on mentioning it to the doc. I am totally aware that this happens after surgery, and I too, hadn't heard anyone else with this, so I blame my mind....for now.
Age: 53- good health, physical anyway. Tinkle alot at night- 4-6x's

DRE 11/08- no lumps, just enlarged prostate

1st PSA, total- 11/08= 6.1

2nd PSA, total- 8/09= 6.6 Referred to Dr. J. Hoeksema @ Rush Univ. Med. Center/Chicago

Needle Biopsy 11/09- 12 samples. 11 OK. Right Lateral Mid- Adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+3=6 9 involving 5% of specimen. Prescribed Flomax for excessive peeing.
Second opinion scheduled 1/21/10 with Dr. Gregory Zagaja, Univ. of Chicago Med. Center


compiler
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   Posted 1/5/2010 7:15 PM (GMT -6)   

That's it Wigged!! It is the flomax. I am on it myself and sometimes I have to use two pills a day. After a few days of that I also get the dry ejaculation. It is actually deposited in your bladder due to a backflow created by the ultra-relaxed muscles,

 

It is normal

 

Mel


63 years old
PSA-- 3/08--2.90;  8/09--4.01; 11/09--4.19 (Free PSA 24%), this after 45 days on cipro! DREs have always been normal.  
History of BPH/prostatitis. PCA-3 test: 75.9 (bad news, guaranteeing I have to do....): Biopsy on 11/30/09. Result of biopsy:

5 out of 12 cores positive. Gleason 4+3. More specifically: 2 cores were 3+3 (one 5% and the other 30%) on one side. On the other side:2 cores are 4+3 (5%)--1 core 3+4 (30%) no peri-neural invasion. prostate is 45 grams. Stage: T1C

REVISED BIOPSY REPORT: The previous was read by Umich. Slides were then sent to Dr. Menon at Ford Hospital. Here is their report (much better) -- changes in bold print below:

5 out of 12 cores positive. Gleason 3+4. More specifically: 2 cores were 3+3 (one 5% and the other 20%) on one side. On the other side, 3 cores were 3+4 (5%, 5%, 20%)

 Latest: Surgery with Dr. Menon at Ford Hospital, set for 1/25/10

 


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 1/5/2010 7:23 PM (GMT -6)   
That is a new one on me. Compiler thanks for the answer to the post.

Jeff T
Jeff T Age 57

9/08 PSA 5.4, referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3/4=7
10/08 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=7 Stg. pT2c, margins clear
3 mts: PSA .05 undetectable

10th month PSA <0.01
1year psa <0.01
ED- 5 mg Cialis daily, pump daily, going to try MUSE next. Next step injections.


Purgatory
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Total Posts : 24195
   Posted 1/5/2010 7:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Think we all learned something on that explanation. Thanks, that was a new one to me
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 in place


pa69
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   Posted 1/5/2010 7:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Prior to my surgery I was given a prescription like Flomax to help me relieve myself. I don't remember what it was called but my doctor warned me that I might experience dry ejaculation because of backflow into the bladder. Never tested it to find out if that would be the case.
Age 70, First ever PSA 7.8 taken June 2008, Biopsy July 2008, 10 of 12 cores positive, Gleason 3+3=6
da Vinci surgery December 10, 2008, catheter removed December 29 2008
St. Lukes Hospital, Bethlehem, Pa.
Dr. Frank Tamarkin
Prostate weight 73.0 grams, Gleason 3+3=6, stage pT3a
Tumor locations: right anterior apex, right posterior apex to mid
left anterior mid to base, left posterior apex to mid
extensive perineural invasion in right anterior apex, right and left posterior apex to mid
seminal vesicles negative
Four PSA tests undetectable, latest Oct 30


goodlife
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   Posted 1/5/2010 8:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I think the term is retrograde ejaculation.
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injections


wigged-out
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Total Posts : 130
   Posted 1/5/2010 9:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks all.

Retrograde. I've heard that term too. I also read somewhere that a urologist can run a urine test to see if seman is present. If it is, it usually means that is what's happening.

I've also read (here, I think) that a lot what is sex is in the head (the one with the eyes), which had me thinking it was more my going off the deep end. I've been taking it out on occasion with cat liter boxes and a Cuisinart. Don't ask.

My wife is encouraging me to "just let it go" and relax. I think I hate Flomax. I don't notice any difference in my situation with urgency and always having to go. And it's sort of expensive. I've heard that it is going generic in a few months.

I'm pulling myself together.

Thanks for your replies.
Age: 53- good health, physical anyway. Tinkle alot at night- 4-6x's

DRE 11/08- no lumps, just enlarged prostate

1st PSA, total- 11/08= 6.1

2nd PSA, total- 8/09= 6.6 Referred to Dr. J. Hoeksema @ Rush Univ. Med. Center/Chicago

Needle Biopsy 11/09- 12 samples. 11 OK. Right Lateral Mid- Adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+3=6 9 involving 5% of specimen. Prescribed Flomax for excessive peeing.
Second opinion scheduled 1/21/10 with Dr. Gregory Zagaja, Univ. of Chicago Med. Center


Paul1959
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   Posted 1/5/2010 9:45 PM (GMT -6)   
yup. One of the biggest battles in patient compliance with Flomax is the dry ejaculation. Many guys simply quit taking the drug cause they hate the DE.
They are working on the next generation to fix this - sort of like the ejaculate is our ultimate proof of studliness, I guess!
Glad this was an easy fix!
Paul
www.franktalk.org ED website for PCa guys

46 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
10/07 PSA 5.06 (Biopsy 11/07 1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report: Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.) Never a problem since.
ED - at one year, ED is fine with viagra.
Two year PSA - undetectable!


goodlife
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   Posted 1/5/2010 9:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Paul,

Can you fix my DE ?

Goodlife
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injections


wigged-out
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   Posted 1/5/2010 10:05 PM (GMT -6)   
And to end the day on a cheery note:

I got to wondering since we are all in sort of the same boat, if our wives, husbands, partners would allow us to get a harem of "healthcare professionals" to help us through our man-ly problems. Sort of a license to be bad....

I don't think so, but maybe someone here can give it a try.
Age: 53- good health, physical anyway. Tinkle alot at night- 4-6x's

DRE 11/08- no lumps, just enlarged prostate

1st PSA, total- 11/08= 6.1

2nd PSA, total- 8/09= 6.6 Referred to Dr. J. Hoeksema @ Rush Univ. Med. Center/Chicago

Needle Biopsy 11/09- 12 samples. 11 OK. Right Lateral Mid- Adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+3=6 9 involving 5% of specimen. Prescribed Flomax for excessive peeing.
Second opinion scheduled 1/21/10 with Dr. Gregory Zagaja, Univ. of Chicago Med. Center


tatt2man
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   Posted 1/6/2010 6:44 AM (GMT -6)   
hee hee - sorta new version of the "mustang ranch" - wonder if you could set up a franchise since the men with PC is rising due to maturity of baby boomers and the like.
glad you could find a happy note in all your turmoil wigged out
- I learned some new stuff too from your related postings -
thanks -
hugs
BRONSON
..............
Age: 54 - openly gay - with common-law spouse of 13 years, Steve - 59
.................
PSA: 04/2007- 1.68 - 08/2009 - 3.46 - 10/2009 - 3.86
Biospies: October 8, 2009 - 12 specimens taken rectally
Confirmation of Prostate Cancer: October 16, 2009 - 6 of 12 cancerous, Gleason 7 (4+3)
Doctor: Dr. Mohamed Elharram -Urologist / Surgeon - Peterborough Regional Health Centre
Radical Prostatectomy Operation: November 18, 2009 , home - November 21, 2009
Catheter: in November 18 - out December 8, 2009
Incontinence: Life brand - Male Guards - extra absorbant - one for day - one for night - leaking on standing, quick movement, walking up stairs -
Incontinence Exercises: standing Kegel excercises - pelvic thrust (ala Rocky Horror Show Time Warp Dance) 20 reps x 5 times daily
Post Surgery Biopsy: - n/a - get results January 7, 2010 -
Post Surgery PSA: - n/a
ED:- some difficulty before surgery - after surgery - loss of length - 1-2" - some arousal 4 weeks after surgery - girth increase but not length
ED Therapy: use of water-based Bathmate pump - increase in girth and a little in length -
ED Prescription: n/a
...........
location: Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
............


In This Together Wife
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   Posted 1/6/2010 8:40 AM (GMT -6)   
My hubby was on Flomax a couple times -once before RP for his back and once after RP for swollen uretha, never had DE (pre-surgery:-) ) but it actually increased the urgency and frequency.  Both times he had it for only a week  or two and we received samples from the doctor, never had to buy it, taking meds is new to us and we are trying to remember to ask for samples. . .
Smiley
(Hubby's stats)
Age 48 healthy-had bronchitis once :)
 
8-4-09    Family Practioner for back pain  PSA 4.9
8-20-09  Consult with urologist                PSA 4.89
9-2-09    Biopsy          3 cores positive 7% 3+3 (6) gleason
9-22-09  Birthday turned 49
10-12-09 2nd opinion
11-13-09 DaVinci
11-23-09 Cath removed  Path report cancer contained neg. margins
Feb 2010 wil be followup PSA


Worried Guy
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   Posted 1/7/2010 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Wigged ,
Many years ago, (many, many) I knew a woman coworker who said her ideal man would be one that had messless sex. I laughed at the time. Who knew that a dry ejac would ever be desirable?
After the vasectomy I used to shoot blanks. Now the gun isn't loaded, the firing pin is missing, and my hands still get covered in oil every time I pick it up. I wonder if I can sell it on ebay?
Jeff.
DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8th: 17.8. Start 2 weeks of Cipro to rule out protatitis.
May PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, Gleason 6=3+3. Bone scan and C/T scan negative.
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7, Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm, location: both lobes and apex.
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive.
No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
Post Surgery Status:
Potency - 12/11 5 months, Still no activity, zip. Using pump daily since 11/11. No effect with 20 mg of Cialis or 100 mg of Viagra. Shots next?
Incontinence - 8/20 4 full pads per day
.. 9/7 3-4 full pads per day (I'm going to try cutting down on fluids. Bad idea. I know.)
. 9/27 2 months: Still 3 pads per day.
11/14 4 months: Still 3 pads per day. 420ml/day, 91 um leak.
12/11 5 months: Still 3 pads per day. 400-450ml/day Experimenting with Nyquil for 10 days: Can sleep through the night but withdrawal is bad. Stopped 12/20.
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks - 0.05; 10/13 3 months - 0.04 undetectable.


cocrgolfer
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   Posted 1/8/2010 9:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Geezer said "I do remember that in High School health class (taught by the football coach) Coach suggested that JO was bad because a man had only so many "shots" in him and that if you used them up early you would regret it later on."

I got a lecture like that from a coach too and the supposed maximum number of lifetime "shots" was 10,000. I imagine that most of you guys are like me and I surpassed that number by my mid-20's. So there's another theory debunked.

Steve
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