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moonraker
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Have you heard of Dean Ornish diet for prostate cancer ? Any thoughts on that at all ?

There is another theory circulating around that since prostate cancer is more prevalant in Western countries compared to the East, it might have something to do with the toilet and sitting posture as opposed to squatting. Do you guys have any opinions at all ?

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daveshan
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Some evidence for diet affecting several types of cancer, as for how you sit I'm skeptical to say the least.
Diagnosed 12-09 age 55
07-06 PSA 2.5
01-08 PSA 5.5 (PCP did not tell me of increase or schedule follow-up!!!!)
09-09 PSA 6.5 Sent for consult with Urologist
11-09 Consult, scheduled for biopsy, found out about PSA from '08 (yes I was pissed)
12-09 Biopsy, initial Gleason 9 (4+5) later reduced to 8 with tertiary 5, ain't much but I'll take it.
01-10 Bone Scan, "appears negative"
03-01-10 RRP in Durango CO by Dr Sejal Quale and Dr Shandra Wilson, no naked eye evidence of spread, Vesicles and lymph nodes taken for microscopic exam.

03-16-10 Removal of cath' and pathology results of samples.
Multifocal carcinoma with areas of Gleason pattern 3, 4 and 5, Overall Gleason grade 4+4 with tertiary 5, Bilateral involving 21% of left lobe, 3% of right lobe, Invasion of left Seminal vesicle, Tumor focally present at left resection margin, 9 lymph nodes removed all negative, Tumor staging pT3b NO MX

04-23-10 PSA <0.04 06-07-10 PSA <0.04
05-03-10 1 week without pads


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:22 AM (GMT -6)   

Does good old Dean have a diet just for prostate cancer or are you referring to his main overall diet?

hmmmm. Wonder about nations that don't have toilets?

 


Age 55   - 5'11"   215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
05/18/10 - 24 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


rhb47
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Moonraker,

My husband has been following Dean Ornish's diet-modified to include fish and a very small amount of chicken-since he was diagnosed. We had started reading his books about 5 years ago to help treat my husband's high blood pressure. Don't know it's affect on his prostate cancer but his cardiologist has been very impressed with the results on his heart issues. His prostate surgeon said he has probably had pc for years before diagnosis, so maybe it slowed it-we'll never know. Still, a diet high in heathful foods, exercise and stress control can do nothing but good for your entire health.

Renee
Husband diagnosed 3/10
Age 56, PSA 4.7, free 7.6%
Biopsy 5 of 10 cores positve-all right side-25% to 57%
Gleason 6
DaVinci surgery with Dr. Vip Patel scheduled 8/9/10
 


tarhoosier
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   Posted 7/21/2010 9:07 AM (GMT -6)   
I have heard many stories from men, several first hand reports, with ultra low fat diets and a response by psa therefrom. In several cases the psa not only slowed but was reduced. I am convinced that in men with a small amount of slow growing prostate cancer that an ultra low fat diet can reduce psa. Does this mean the tumor is shrinking, or is it just emitting less antigen? Could the tumor advance to a higher grade Gleason thus creating less psa on its own? I do not know. It is clear to me that the interaction between cholesterol, (a precursor to testosterone) and prostate cancer cell division is real. I would encourage any man with slow growing cancer to experiment with diet. It is heart healthy, weight reducing, and glucose stabilizing; all good things.

Ziggy9
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   Posted 7/21/2010 9:31 AM (GMT -6)   
If diet is a major factor I have my doubts a few months/years of better eating will ever correct for a lifetime of the average american diet.

But I guess it's human nature to always look for an easy solution, be it the latest wonder supplement or a specific low fat diet. They appear here like clockwork all the time.

Thanks for bring back the memories of Korean outhouses with their rectangular holes in the middle of a concrete sloping floor. It's the reason many of their people can squat for hours while doing some labor I'm sure.

Post Edited (realziggy) : 7/21/2010 8:34:22 AM (GMT-6)


Purgatory
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   Posted 7/21/2010 9:45 AM (GMT -6)   
realziiggy:

i find myself completely agreeing with you answer. This is exactly what my own doctors have said. My current radiation oncologist feels strongly that once men are dx with cancer, then and only then are they willing to think about health issues, and dietary concerns. She said that it is nature to want to "take" control of your destiny at that point. Again, being on a healthy diet is never a bad idea, but the cow is out of the barn.

yes, from having lived in africa and the far east both, very familiar with toilets that were nothing but two raised pads (if you were lucky) with a hole in the floor to squat over. kind of hard to get any good reading in that way while taking a dump

david in sc
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one: Aug 3
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 - 17 days, Total Blockage, Cath # 20 - 7/19


moonraker
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   Posted 7/21/2010 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
> but the cow is out of the barn.

Well, I see what you mean, but speaking for myself, I am not sure that statement applies to me. I have probably eaten lamb 2 or 3 times a year, never knowingly ate any beef, used to have sausages only on Saturday in my twenties, and fewer than that in my thirties. Eaten chicken, turkey and fish quite a bit tho'. But usually grilled (not burnt). Switched to brown rice since the last 1.5 years, usually have plenty of salads / veggies / legumes. Skim milk, low fat yogurt, quite a bit of it actually. Almost always fruits for dessert, I cant remember having icecream in years. Never over indulged in alcohol, never got drunk. Never smoked. The problem is that even on a vegetarian diet, if you eat at a restaurant, you get so much cheese, it is probably less healthy than eating grilled chicken etc.

I really cant imagine what I have done wrong. Its not like I have been having quarterpounders for breakfast, lunch and dinner and then wondering about healthy diet when its all over.

Maybe its the flax seed oil I used to have in 2007. or maybe its sexual habits.

Not yet diagnosed, but really worried about the growth.

Purgatory
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   Posted 7/21/2010 11:54 AM (GMT -6)   
moonraker,

the real point is that you can't say that you "did" anything wrong. there are men with advanced PC that were lifetime vegetarians and vegans, we have men that are lean as poles all their lives, men that are exercise freaks with extrem low BMI, etc. Until more is known, discovered, and research, there is no way to afix blame to either yourself, your life style, your diet choices. So much of cancer is on the genetic side. Assigning blame, either to one's self or to outside influences, is all part of the normal process our brains go through when dealing with cancer in general.

a person could live a text book perfect life of diet and exercises, and still get and die from advanced PC or any other cancer.

until better testing is developed one day, which could determine very specific PC types and agressiveness, there is, unfortunately, a certain randomness to having cancer.

i dealt with an ultra ultra rare malignant cancer 3 times in my life prior to PC. it hit my scalp 2x, then moved into the lymph nodes of my throat. to be rid of it, i went through a total of 5 operations, and 35 rounds of radiation dealing with it (10) years ago. At that time, I was one of only 38 known and documented cases in US medical history, and one of less than 300 cases in the world. Since then, they have reduced the number of cases, because of better dx, my slides were re examined, and it was still indeed the same rare cancer. Now they are saying, I am one of only 6 known cases in the world, ever, of having this cancer on my scalp. The point? Where did this cancer come from? What did I do or was exposed to in my lifetime to get something that bizzare and strange? I have had years to think about it and ponder, and research, but there still is no known cause to this cancer type, and no common connection between the few patients there are. Actually, in India, the research on this cancer is more up to date and ongoing than anywhere in the Western world.

i stopped blaming myself years ago. it truly is what it is, and I, and you, and everyone else does the best they can to deal with it, with the resources they have access too. That's my take.

david in sc
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one: Aug 3
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 - 17 days, Total Blockage, Cath # 20 - 7/19


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 7/21/2010 12:02 PM (GMT -6)   
And when it comes to some diets - like all veggies -> For me, quailty of life would rule over quantity smhair
Age 55   - 5'11"   215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
05/18/10 - 24 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


John T
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   Posted 7/21/2010 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Most oncologists have diet as part of their treatment protocol. I don't think that this is a coinsidence. Most Medical doctors have little training in diet and don't believe it has any affect. What convinced me was the data in "The China Study" which was the largest controlled study of diet and disease ever conducted. The data clearly showed a relationship betwen the amount of animal fat and protien consumed and the incidence of heart disease and cancer. People whose diet was less than 5% animal protein had virtually no heart disease or cancers and the insidence of these diseases increased with the amount of animal protien consumed.
The Framingham study showed the same relationship to heart disease.
JT

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.

JohnT


DJBearGuy
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   Posted 7/21/2010 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
What bugs me is that I fell for the Atkins diet fad some years back. The one where, in simple terms, you eat zero carbohydrates, but you can have all the fat and protein you want. So you can eat all you want of steak, jerky, pork rinds, etc. You do lose weight at first, but when it comes to getting the weight to stay off, it's no more successful than anything else. So I ate a lot of fat and meat, lost a couple pounds, gained them back, but what else did it do to me? Taught me to be skeptical of diet fads.

DJ
Diagnosis at age 53. PSA 2007 about 2; PSA 2008 4.3
Biopsy September 2008: 6 of 12 cores positive; Gleason 4+3 = 7
CT and Bone scan negative
Da Vinci surgery at City of Hope December 8, 2008
Radical prostatectomy and lymph node dissection
Catheter out on 7th day, replaced on 8th day, out again 14th day following negative cystogram
Pathology: pT2c; lymph nodes negative; margins involved; 41 grams, 8% involved by tumor; same Gleason 4+3=7
PSA 1/22/08 non-detectable! 8-)
4/23/09, 07/30/09, Oct 2009, Nov 09, Feb 10, June 10 still undetectable (<0.01)!


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 7/21/2010 3:20 PM (GMT -6)   

I too did the  Atkins diet about nine years ago. Was unemployeed and didn't have anything else to do but jog twice a day and count calories. It still makes sense but ya gotta do it forever.

Now I go by the "eat anything you want - just don't eat a lot of it" idea. That and walk/jog for 30 minutes or so.

 


Age 55   - 5'11"   215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
05/18/10 - 24 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


BB_Fan
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I had a crappy diet for many years, but the most significant source of my PCa was probably genes. My grandfather and great grandfather died of PCa. My mother had no brother so it skipped a generation. I do beleive my diet my be the reason that I had a gleason 8 and not a 6.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4


Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores taken with 4 positive for PCa, 30% of all 4 cores.

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Jun 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28 re-test two weeks later .31
psa May 10  .50

Aril 10 MRI and Bone Scan show lesion on lower spine, false positive. 
 
Started HT 5/25/10 with 3 month shot of Trelstar. SRT scheduled for late July


mspt98
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   Posted 7/21/2010 10:54 PM (GMT -6)   
BB fan don't beat yourself up about your diet. I really think the nature versus nuture argument has been settled by now. Genes are definately more predictive about your health than your lifestyle choices. I'm not saying that if you have a family history of heart disease that you shouldn't smoke, eat fish and avoid fat, keep your weight down and all that. But because of your genes you will still have a predisposition to heart disease. The same is true with cancer. I mean both of my parents died of cancer so for years I ate very little meat, lots of broccoli, and still I developed prostate cancer in my early 50's. So let's all eat sensibly, don't smoke, limit drinking, eat those veggies but going crazy with extremely low fat diets to prevent cancer is probably depriving yourself of a lot of pleasure for very little gain....
my age=52 when all this happened,
DRE=negative
PSA went from 1.9 to 2.85 in one year, urologist ordered biopsy,
First biopsy on 03/08, "suspicious for cancer but not diagnostic"
Second biopsy on 08/14/08, 2/12 cores positive on R side, 1 core=5% Ca, other core = 25% Ca, Gleason Score= 6 both cores,
Clinical Stage T1C
Bilateral nerve sparing Robotic Surgery on 09/11/08, pathological stage T2A at surgery
No signs of spread, organ contained,
5 0's in a row now, 18 months out
Incontinence gone in early December '08,
ED still a problem, normal erections with manual effort but wife is now ill, not interested in sex anymore


logoslidat
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   Posted 7/21/2010 11:44 PM (GMT -6)   
That was a great post, mspt98. Never thought of the nature, nurture as being resolved, but have to say I think your right.
age 67 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of Washington Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci, extensive PNI, That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
Dec 14,2009 psa 0.0 May 10 2010, psa 0.0

" Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue " read it in Bartlet's book of quotation years ago stuck with me, can't remember who said it.


Sephie
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   Posted 7/22/2010 6:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Friends of ours have followed Dean Ornish for years, ever since the husband had triple bypass surgery. I wasn't aware that Dean had a prostate-specific diet but his cardiovascular health diet program is quite famous.

A common-sense approach to diet and exercise is a good thing for everyone regardless of medical conditions. I admit to being skeptical though about the effect that diet has on PSA for those diagnosed with PCa. Since there is much we do not know about this disease, I'm reluctant to accept that a lower PSA equals less disease for those on AS. For those who have gone through treatment, my guess is that once the horse is out the barn there's not much you can do but do agree that a common-sense diet certainly can't hurt.
Husband diagnosed in 2/2008 at age 57 with stage T1c. Robotic surgery performed 3/2008. Stage upgraded to T3a (solitary focus of extraprostatic extension). Perineural tumor infiltration present. Apex margin, bladder neck and SVs negative. Final Gleason 3+4. PSA: 0.0 til July 2009. August 2009 - 0.1, September 0.3, October back to 0.0, December 0.0, March 2010 0.0. Next PSA in 6 months. Thank you God!


BB_Fan
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   Posted 7/22/2010 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   
There are success stories of the effects of diet on PCa. Milken's of course is the highest profile case, but I have read others (he had a Gleason 9). Dr Myer maintains that a regime that includes diet, suppliments and exersize can keep PCa in remission once it is driven there with HT.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4


Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores taken with 4 positive for PCa, 30% of all 4 cores.

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Jun 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28 re-test two weeks later .31
psa May 10  .50

Aril 10 MRI and Bone Scan show lesion on lower spine, false positive. 
 
Started HT 5/25/10 with 3 month shot of Trelstar. SRT scheduled for late July


BB_Fan
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   Posted 7/22/2010 9:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Although I agree with Steve. I vegan diet would pose a real quality of life issue for me. I could give up red meat fairly easily and cut way back on dairy, but I would need to eat fish and some chicken. Also soy milk/tofu - Yuk !!!
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4


Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores taken with 4 positive for PCa, 30% of all 4 cores.

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Jun 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28 re-test two weeks later .31
psa May 10  .50

Aril 10 MRI and Bone Scan show lesion on lower spine, false positive. 
 
Started HT 5/25/10 with 3 month shot of Trelstar. SRT scheduled for late July


logoslidat
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   Posted 7/22/2010 8:08 PM (GMT -6)   
BB I dare you to eat cereal with frozen bluberries and soymilk, organic plain and not like it!! MMMMMM !!!!! The soy milk absorbs the juice from the bluberries and being frozen chills the milk. Now tofu if prepared correctly can be good but too bland for me , unless deep fried with chocolate covering
age 67 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of Washington Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci, extensive PNI, That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
Dec 14,2009 psa 0.0 May 10 2010, psa 0.0

" Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue " read it in Bartlet's book of quotation years ago stuck with me, can't remember who said it.


Purgatory
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   Posted 7/23/2010 9:43 AM (GMT -6)   
soymilk is only good for baby soys. plus, i wonder how the soy beans are milked. just me, but i have never ever eaten any thing out of soy that tasted good. tofu is gross to me.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one: Aug 3
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 - 17 days, Total Blockage, Cath # 20 - 7/19


el perro
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   Posted 7/23/2010 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Blend soy milk and/or soy protein with banana and frozen berries into a smoothie and you get your soy without even tasting it.

I think Dr. Ornish advocates a low-fat vegan diet? I've tried vegan and can't do it. I find the Mediterranean diet is much easier to stay with over time.
Dx 11/2008, Gleason 3+3
Active surveillance for now


moonraker
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   Posted 7/26/2010 5:37 PM (GMT -6)   
sorry for the late response.

Even if the horse is out of the barn, perhaps it is still not too late. Here is an interesting article from a fairly reputed website started by oncologists (i.e from the scientific community) thats worth reading :
http://www.prostate-cancer.org/education/nutrprod/ScholzBlum_Nutrition_Prostate_Cancer.html

Regarding quality of life etc, I guess it all comes down to individual preferences. To me, the highest priority is to hopefully not end up in hospital with pins and needes stuck into me. or, at least delay it as much as possible. If that means sacrificing a few things, so be it. A few minutes of pleasure followed by agonizing pain is not worth it to me. I was born into a vegetarian teetotaller family, and perhaps all this experimenting with meat and alcohol has caused some of the damage in my system, I dont know. I didnt eat meat until I was 18. I had my first drink at 24. Personally I feel I can go back to my roots.

BB_Fan, Sephie, John T, tarhoosier, rhb47 : I would appreciate more details on the diet : what is allowed, what is not. What about wild salmon ? Is it allowed because it is anti inflammatory or disaallowed (animal fat) ? What about plant fats such as olive oil, avocado etc ? I am trying to get a diet plan in place. My doctor is not recommending a biopsy right now (PSA 0.7, PCA3 20, Age 41, no family history, hard nodule on prostate) but wants to see me in 6 months. I pushed him for 3 months. I want to fit a great diet for the next 3 months to see what happens : Right now I have oats or shredded wheat with skim milk for breakfast, lots of raw/cooked veggies, soup, cous cous etc for lunch, salad (no dresing), brown rice, lentils/kidney beans/chick peas etc, 3 tablespoons of low fat organic yogurt for dinner, 1 small square (10g) of Lindt 85% dark chocolate. Cranberry, pomegranate fruit juices. 2 100gm tins of wild alaskan salmon per week. Any thoughts / suggestions welcome. Thanks

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   Posted 7/26/2010 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Moonraker, if you can do a vegan diet, in my opinion, it would be the best dietary option to retard your PCa. For me it would be a significant quality of life issue. I can give up red meat, dairy, and eggs, but I need the fish, chicken (white meat only) and olive oil. I can't live on salads with vinegar only, cous cous, soy milk, raw vegies, etc... BB
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4


Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores taken with 4 positive for PCa, 30% of all 4 cores.

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Jun 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28 re-test two weeks later .31
psa May 10  .50

Aril 10 MRI and Bone Scan show lesion on lower spine, false positive. 
 
Started HT 5/25/10 with 3 month shot of Trelstar. SRT scheduled for late July


BB_Fan
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   Posted 7/26/2010 8:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I eat wild caught fish 3 times a week. I stay away from farmed fish. The wild caught tastes much better. Chciken is once maybe twice a week. Eggbeaters once a week, but mostly cereal and berries for breakfast. Salads for lunch. No more suger or sugery deserts, ice cream, potatoes, or white rice/white bread. Complex carbohydrates. I have trouble getting enough veggies and still drink too much alcohol. I have trouble losing the evening happy hour.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4


Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores taken with 4 positive for PCa, 30% of all 4 cores.

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Jun 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28 re-test two weeks later .31
psa May 10  .50

Aril 10 MRI and Bone Scan show lesion on lower spine, false positive. 
 
Started HT 5/25/10 with 3 month shot of Trelstar. SRT scheduled for late July

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