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cupcake25
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   Posted 2/22/2011 4:20 PM (GMT -6)   
We just saw the representative today for the erect aid pump. He explained how it worked and said erections do occur with device. My husband is supposed to use it twice a day. I dished out over $500 for it and have to wait to get reimbursed by insurance. It also has a ring that he can put over his penis for sex. My question is-Does this device really work or did I just waste my money?

Piano
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   Posted 2/22/2011 4:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Pumps really do work, and like everything else, the more expensive ones tend to be better. I haven't used the Erect aid myself, but haven't heard anyone here say bad things about them.

So no, you haven't wasted your money -- but be prepared to to do lots of practise to master the techniques involved.
No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4/12 cores
Non-nerve-sparing RRP 7 March 2008 age 63
Organ confined, neg margins. Gleason downgrade 4+4=8
Fully continent
Bimix worked well; now using just VED
PSA undetectable at first but now 0.4, doubling time 7 months
No radiation but ADT coming unless I can slow down the rise...

natural44
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   Posted 2/22/2011 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I am using the Erectaid system. I am very pleased with it! start out slow and gentle short durations of time and build up. I started with a few minutes three times a day went up to 15-20 minutes once a day. I saw the biggest advances to having spontanious erections after starting the use of the Erectaid system! I still pump every day for at least 10 minutes. You will find that initially when you let the suction off it goes down quickly, the more you practice with it you will be able to maintain longer afterwards without the ring. As far as the rings go.....the rings are for sex...and should be able to maintain a 100% firm erection for no more than 30 minutes. sometimes the erection from a pump can be difficult to use but with practice there you two will get the hang of it.

Good luck and if there is any other questions I can help with just email me away from forum
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
bladder control good
Osbon pump works but uncomfortable to use ring
some noctural erections, but not very strong,more like hanging looser and/or lower
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!

Paul1959
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   Posted 2/22/2011 5:15 PM (GMT -6)   
PLEASE proceed slowly as already said. the VED's are great, but have a very steep learning curve. you will NOT be able to jsut pump up and have sex. You need to use it every day for therapy. After two weeks of daily therapy, THEN you should move to using it for sex. make sure you watch the video. Pumps take lots of practice and are a very viable solution. Most times that men quit usuing them is due to poor training. check out many different web sites for instructions. Franktalk.org has info as well. Educate yourself as much as possible to avoid disappointment or injury.
A pump is a great investment. You did right
Paul
Founder, Erectile Dysfunction Foundation and creator of www.franktalk.org The site for erectile dysfunction.

46 at Diagnosis.
Davinci at 47.
Doing fine.

Arch
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   Posted 2/22/2011 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't think you will be disappointed... I spent $130 on an Osbon and only practiced once before successful sex. It was a huge moral booster and allowed me to gain a bit of confidence back. I was able to graduate to Viagara aftre 2 months on the pump and after 7 months I use nothing, its just like pre surgery.
 
I can't attribute my success to the pump but I believe it helped. Don't give up,  patience and support are required.
 
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age 56
PSA 5.5
Biopsy, both lobes PCa
Gleason 3/4=7
open RP May 18, 2010
Pathology: 15% involved, lymph nodes and v. d. clear, margins clear
June 3-10 10-12 pads/day
2 months 8 pads/day
Aug 1, 2010 5-6 pads/day
Aug 20, 2010 3-5 pads per day
Aug 16, 3 month PSA: undetectable
Sept 22, 2 pads a day
Oct 12, PSA 0.03
Dec 1.5 pads a day
ED OK with no drugs Dec 2010

tvwohio
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   Posted 2/22/2011 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I have used the Osbon erectoaid for 9 -10 years.
The VED work good but there is a learning curve - don't pump to fast (5-10sec/pump) so your blood flows
Finding the ring size is important - too loose or too tight both can be a problem and you could need two rings to help.

You may note that your erection goes down a little when you make love but still firm enough for your and your partner's pleasur
Prostrate Cancer 2001 RP 51 years old
PSA 6.8 Gleason 3 + 2 40% T3bNxMo moderately differentiated adenocarcinoma
RP - cancer in apex area contained but nerve sparing was not successful
Bulking using both collagen and teflex unsuccessful for continence
AMS 800 AUS installed 1/22/2011

lifeguyd
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   Posted 2/22/2011 8:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I think vacuum pumps (VED) are a great aid in trying to regain erectile function.  I use bimix, but I also pump regularly to help maintain erectile health.  I am glad you are getting some help from your insurance company to defer the cost of the 'erecaid' pump system.  I think the $500 price they charge is outrageous.  smhair I paid $65 for my pump four years ago.  I bought it online.
PSA July 2006 4.7 , Nodule found
biopsy 10/06 very agressive gleason4+4=8 identified
DaVinci surgery, January 2007
Post Ob confirms, gleason 4+4=8 with no extension or invasion
no long term continence problems
post surgery PSA continues to be undetectable at 4 years
ED problems continue, using bimix
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Ger42
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   Posted 2/22/2011 9:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I just got SomaTherapy-ED my insurance paid for it sort of. I have not met my deductible of $1,500 so it cost me $325 which is the BlueCross contract price. Better than the $495 they were asking. Time will tell how well it works.
Age 68 weight 185 height 6'
Samples taken 4/19/2010 sent to Bostwick
3 out of 12 samples cancer
1) gleason score 3+3 involving 65%
2) gleason score 3+3 involving 65%
3) gleason score 3+3 involving 10%
PSA 3.5 Mar 19
PSA 2.5 Apr 4
Bone scan clean CT scan clean
Da Vinci 10/12/2010 DR Paul Kahn all nerves spared
Home 10/19/20
Cath out 10/22/2010
Prostate 56 gm. Gleason grade 3+4 = 7
2 MO PSA 0.0

Fairwind
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   Posted 2/22/2011 11:00 PM (GMT -6)   

Hunter48152
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   Posted 2/25/2011 10:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I am also considering to the pump. ED shots seem to last too long or not long enough. But with such a price difference I am confused now!!! Not sure if my insurance will pick up any part of the cost even though it can be claimed to be used as therapy. Hope to see some post from other members with some suggestions.
Age: 45
Diagnosed: 9/09 PSA: 5.3
Ultra sound showed lump on left side
Biopsy: 5 of 12 Pos. Gleason: 6
Da Vinci Nerve sparring done: 12/16/09
PSA 1 month after surgery: 0.0
PSA as of 4/28/2010 after 37 Rad treatments Undetectable
Path. Report: Tumor at the margins but had not gone through capsule
Start Low Dose Rad. March 2010 as a precaution
Ended rad Treatments 4/28/2010

142
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   Posted 2/25/2011 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
The Osbon pump that is covered by insurance is $525+, and because of distributor squabbles, I appealed the cost got mine covered as in-network, and paid only the shipping/handling fee.
Some cover it as out-of network, so perhaps 70% ?
 
And as a prescription medical expense, it falls into the deductibles for taxes if one itemizes, as well as FSA/HSA plans.
 
But it does have a long term warranty, so in theory you don't have to replace it.
 
I'm not really getting good vibes about buying that sort of thing on ebay.

zampilot
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   Posted 2/25/2011 2:32 PM (GMT -6)   
yup they work, maybe too well says my wife!
Mine was covered 80/20.
No luck on naturals for me yet.

DaSlink
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   Posted 2/25/2011 2:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I paid about the same as you.I had already reached my out of pocket money so mine really didn't cost me a thing. Mine is an Encore. It came with a battery and a manual pump. Right now I use mine every day for therapy,which is to prevent scar tissue from forming.
Haven't even started thinking about sex till the incontinence is a little better. Been on 10mg Cialis for a little over a week.
Every minute you fish or ride,adds an hour to your life!

Age 52 Dx age 53 daVinci surgery
prostate volume 24gms
Biopsy 12 cores with 7 positive- left base,right base,left mid gland,right mid gland, left apex.
Gleason score of 7
First PSA 38.7 on10/05/2010
Second PSA 49.9 on11/23/2010
CT negative
Bone scan Negative
daVinci RRP on 01/25/2011 by Dr Mark G Delworth at Bethesda North Hospital.

MHMyers
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   Posted 6/27/2013 4:42 PM (GMT -6)   
I am three weeks after surgery (DaVinci) and the doctor recommended the Osbon device, since I was impotent before, so he took both nerves. I have the Osbon, but he didn't say when I should start using it. He did say to practice a few times a day, but didn't say when to start that either. Still working on incontinence, too. Any guidelines on when to start using the Osbon?
Diagnosis at 58. PSA 3.1, up from 1.9 the year before. DaVinci prostatectomy June 5, 2013. T2C, Gleason 6 (biopsy said 7, pathology said 6). 19 lymph nodes removed, both seminal vesicles, both nerves, no cancer found outside prostate.

142
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   Posted 6/27/2013 4:53 PM (GMT -6)   
My uro didn't want me to start pump/pills before three months, but Mulhall would have you start at (I don't have the book at hand) just after six weeks (anyone have his book, correct me). My surgeon was not happy with that suggestion, saying healing of the urethra was not "there" yet.

I would say ask your doc a better question. "When?"
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gedman
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   Posted 6/27/2013 5:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with 142. Get specific guidance from your doc.

-Gedman
41y. Wife + 5 young kids.
DX 1/28/13: PSA 9, BX G3+4 (5 of 12 cores)
RALP 4/3/13 w/ Dr. Tewari
Nerves spared, T2c, N0, G4+3, tumor 10%, organ confined, -margins, -EPE, -SVI, +PNI
Full continence
Using pump+pills+bimix for ED rehab
about me: Intro / Plan / Surgery Recap / Pathology Report / PSA History

I recommend these links for anyone newly diagnosed with PCa:
NCCN Prostate Cancer online book (PDF download version)
Questions to ask a Robotic PCa surgeon
Questions to ask a Brachytherapy radiation seeds specialist

DonaldJ
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   Posted 6/27/2013 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I also seen a Rep. today from Osbon. My insurance will not cover anything so it would cost $475. they said. I dont have that kind of $. I'm looking at a Encore online for just over a hundred bucks. I guess anything is better than nothing.
Age:48 at Biopsy 01/21/2013
4 of 13 cores invol/localized
Gleason Score:3+3=6
5%,10%,50%,10%
Perineural invasion:Absent
Ex.prostatic extension:Absent@biopsy
PSA:6.6 Orig(12/03/12)16c
% Free PSA: 20,T1c
Rob.Surg-4/8/13nerve sparing
PathReport:Gleason 6(3+3),Tertiary Gleason Grade 4,Tumor Grade 5-6 G2,35g,pT3a w/extra ext,1 pos.mar/benign tissues&L.Nodes
5/10/13<.01UNDETECTABLE

cowgirl53
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   Posted 6/27/2013 10:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Cupcake25,
I dished out the $524 for the pump. Insurance denied coverage to pay. We have sent in a letter to the appeal board to the insurance company to reconsider payment of the pump.

I can't answer your question if this device really works. Too soon since he just had surgery 4/18/13. My BF just got it; two weeks ago. He had surgery and no nerves spared. His dr says to use twice a day; 5 minutes. My BF said when he tried it. It hurt; pain. So, he says 'he is working on it'.

I have called the dr asking if that is normal for it to hurt? Do any of you guys have an insight on this?

Thanks

PeterDisAbelard.
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   Posted 6/28/2013 7:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello Cowgirl, good to see you back.

Sometimes a note from the surgeon helps with the insurance. Insurance companies don't like to pay for erection aids but will usually pay for a pump to help with rehabilitation after a covered surgery.

The better (approved durable medical device) pumps are designed to limit the vacuum so they won't hurt the user (won't injure him) but they will definitely hurt him (in the ouch, darn it! sense) especially if the user is inexperienced or in a hurry. There are a number of things that can help with the discomfort but the main thing is to go slow. If it is a manual pump he should pump a couple of strokes and then wait a few seconds before the next couple of strokes. If it's electric he should run the pump for a few seconds then wait for results before turning it back on. The idea is to draw blood into the penis which takes some time. Pumping faster just tries to pull the whole package into the tube and that can definitely hurt. He can also try using more or less lube on the tube. More of the (water-based) lubricant will give a better seal but will also make scrotal skin more likely to be pulled in if he hurries.

If he does everything right and things go perfectly... it may still hurt a little bit. At the risk of being a bit graphic, the tube is longer than he is and when he reaches his goal things may stretch uncomfortably. Circumcised men may tend to run out of skin. Most men learn not to mind this pain. It's how you know you have gotten where you need to be -- the burn of success.

Give him time to "work on it". It's frustrating at first.
60
Slow PSA rise 2007-2012: 1.4=>8
4 bxs 2010-2012:
1)neg (some inflammation),
2)neg,
3)positive 1 of 14 GS6(3+3) 3-4%, 2nd opinion GS7(3+4)
4)neg.
Mild Pre-op ED
DaVinci RRP 6/14/12. left nerve spared
Path: pT3a pN0 R1 GS9(4+5) Pos margins on rt
Start 24 mo ADT3 7/26/12
Adjuvant IMRT 66.6 Gy 10/17/12 - 12/13/12
Leaky but better, Trimix, VED
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Post Edited (PeterDisAbelard) : 6/28/2013 7:54:46 AM (GMT-6)


DonaldJ
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   Posted 6/29/2013 11:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Anyone here have an Encore Deluxe pump ? Just wondering if it's any good before I purchase it. Thanks.
Age:48 at Biopsy 01/21/2013
4 of 13 cores invol/localized
Gleason Score:3+3=6
5%,10%,50%,10%
Perineural invasion:Absent
Ex.prostatic extension:Absent@biopsy
PSA:6.6 Orig(12/03/12)16c
% Free PSA: 20,T1c
Rob.Surg-4/8/13nerve sparing
PathReport:Gleason 6(3+3),Tertiary Gleason Grade 4,Tumor Grade 5-6 G2,35g,pT3a w/extra ext,1 pos.mar/benign tissues&L.Nodes
5/10/13<.01UNDETECTABLE
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