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laila374
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   Posted 10/6/2011 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
i just found this website about a prostate cancer survivor, who is using baking soda to cure his cancer, this is the link: http://phkillscancer.com/
 
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pasayten
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   Posted 10/6/2011 3:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Your body usually regulates the pH of your blood stream within a small range of 7.35 to 7.45... which is slightly "basic" or "alkaline" as opposed to acidic... Regardless of what you eat, your body will always use its numerous methods to keep you in this range.. Besides cancer cells, many of our body cells and organs will only function in certain pH ranges.

It is more important to look at your overall diet and other environmental factors to keep your body in a healthy state and to help "fight" or to provide a more unfavorable environment for cancers to take hold and flourish... Sometimes, DNA may just be against us...

In my opinion, many of the "cures" and "treatments" suggested or advertised to us are really just aboiut $$... and that includes both the naturalpathic and traditional medical fields... It is a fact we all have to deal with... separating the fact from the bs... separating the truly beneficial from the ineffectual... Just like many providers of potential "cures" are trying to separate $$ from us to them... This problem is further complicated by the fact we each can respond differently to treatments...

This link has some reasonable discussion about pH and alkalinity...
www.brighamandwomens.org/Patients_Visitors/pcs/nutrition/services/healtheweightforwomen/special_topics/intelihealth0506.aspx

The cheap way to raise your pH (temporarily) and "alkalinity"... pant like a puppy dog chasing a frisbee...

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robertC
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   Posted 10/6/2011 3:26 PM (GMT -6)   
This is a controversial area. Some think alkalinity helps, Some think the body will find an ph balance no matter what you take.
Some think meat, sugar and bad carbs may be acid and bad for you.
I was already taking potassium citrate (a base) for kidney stones and still was diagnosed with pca.

Water Guy
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   Posted 10/6/2011 4:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I know a lady here in my area who reps products multi level and sells a "miracle cure" water machine that produces high alkaline water for drinking. She says there is scientific evidence in Japan that this hi alkaline water cures cancer in the human body and would have cured my PC if I had gotten to her in time. I asked her if this was true why isn't this information proved and released by the medical community, she told me that the pharmaceutical companies have kept this a secrete as it would put them out of business. Some fool just trying to take my money is what this lady is. nono
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2.5 6/10
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BX 4/13/11 2 of 12 cores diag both sides 15% & 20% GS7(3+4)
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Fairwind
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   Posted 10/6/2011 6:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Baking Soda?? Makes a great, quick acting an-acid for heartburn, but daily, continued use will cause your blood pressure to skyrocket due to all the sodium you are ingesting..

If, somehow, you manage to change your bloods Ph by very much, you will quickly die...This is not something you can manipulate...
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age 58: 4.5
61: 5.2
64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
65: 8.5, " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
66 9.0 "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
67 4.5 DRE "normal"
68 7.0 3rd biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
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jaxum
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   Posted 10/7/2011 8:02 PM (GMT -6)   
I have also just learned about this miracle water cure too, they gave me some water to try so far it just makes me pee and poop a lot
but i am seeing this all over the net too that high alkaline water and diet can cure cancer, gee maybe my surgery was not necessary
maybe i should have waited, especially since after the surgery i learned that they could not get all the cancer, that it spread
and they cant do radiation! i thought that we did surgery first so we could do radiation second if we need it! now i am told
no we can do radiation on you..................o.k......................thanks for that....what did i miss here?


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Jerry L.
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   Posted 10/11/2011 8:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Sometimes when I can't sleep late at night I listen to AM radio and to a talk show - Coast to Coast.

Most of the times they feature off the wall shows and sometimes legit programs. Lately, they have had shows which talk about this type of alternative tratment. I wonder why it always seems to be a topic on ths show.
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Purgatory
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   Posted 10/11/2011 9:10 PM (GMT -6)   
More snake oil, more "self cures", don't see how anyone could take this as serious remedy to PC or any other cancer. As P.T. Barnum famously said, there's a sucker born every day.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
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142
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   Posted 10/11/2011 9:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a neighbor who has one of these water machines, and is convinced it will help, so I did a bit of research, found nothing dangerous, and am giving it a try to be convivial. The water tastes much better than my local tap water (the input to the machine), and my GP says there is no medical reason to avoid it (but none to justify it either). So I let my friends help me.
 
It causes my incontinence to worsen noticeably if I drink more than 300 ml per day.
I have lost a couple of pounds, but that may also because I bumped up my daily walking routine.
 
My PSA doubling time remains 50-60 days. Does it do something? Yes. Is it killing my cancer? No.
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Jazzman1
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   Posted 10/11/2011 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Drs. Oz and Roizen dispute the alkaline water cure theory:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6aqs6gr
 
(Made link clickable - 142)

Post Edited By Moderator (142) : 10/11/2011 8:48:06 PM (GMT-6)


142
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   Posted 10/11/2011 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Jazz,
 
What she paid for the machine would pay for a lifetime of Cialis or Trimix. I'm not in line to buy one.

clocknut
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   Posted Today 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
15,000 doctors using baking soda to prevent or cure cancer?  Can someone please name 3 of these 15,000, because I'm curious.
 
And here we go again with nasty, unfounded comments about greedy "big pharma" and greedy doctors. 
 
All I can say, is O.M.G.  In the meantime, I'm patiently waiting to see "Vernon" on the talk show circuit. 
 
I mean, if he claims he's cured on the Internet, it must be true.  No one ever says anything false on the internet.

Water Guy
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   Posted Today 10:03 AM (GMT -6)   
142 said...
Jazz, What she paid for the machine would pay for a lifetime of Cialis or Trimix. I'm not in line to buy one.
Google "Kangen Water scams" for the real story on these machines.

AGE 61 with fam hist of PC
PSA
1.5 5/09
2.5 6/10
3.5 12/10 ref URO
5.25 2/11 all DRE Neg
BX 4/13/11 2 of 12 cores diag both sides 15% & 20% GS7(3+4)
RALP nerve-sparing 6/8/11 path G7 pT2C, Marg-Lymph-Sem-Vas NEG, organ confined 60% tumor involved 69grms 4.3X4X3 cm 100% dry 7/1/11
post PSA 8/30/11 <0.07
TRIMIX therapy for ED seeing improvement
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zufus
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   Posted Today 10:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Not meant to be offensive, but some of these drugs and Chemo's are highly suspect as expensive snake oil in this mix, too.
Of course that can be argued too, but not interested in debates only interested in results.
 
I especially enjoyed seeing Dr. Fred Lee's results and he went against the 'norm' in his fight with PCa after failing traditional protocols. Interesting to see he is 30 yrs. into this PCa non-curable scenario and still living.  Maybe I am the only one whom found it interesting.

Tudpock18
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   Posted Today 11:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I also have a miracle cure for both prostate cancer and ED...take your pick.  Please send your checks to my Nigerian post office box.  Alternatively, feel free to post your social security number and checking account number along with any applicable passwords.
 
yeah  
 
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gibson00
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   Posted Today 12:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Rumor has it that there was this guy named Steve Jobs who tried alternative therapies............

Miracle water......wonderful.......
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joem789
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   Posted 2/16/2013 11:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Over a year later and this thread comes up under the first several hit in Google that talk about pH and Cancer.

(Offensive comment against forum members in general removed - 142). The way pH kills cancer has been well documented since the early 1900s. Anyone who cares about the truth knows that society, by design, suppresses any truth that doesn't make a million bucks for some ****** in a suit. Using baking soda to raise pH levels doesn't kill anyone. But chemo kills millions. I think I'll take my chances with baking soda thank you.

The evidence of real cures is becoming overwhelming. Not just the claims. Snake oils still rely upon "claims" because they don't work. But real cures rely upon evidence. And it's here. Tragically its been here for the longest time. Just well suppressed. I think about all the people I knew that died from cancer. They might still be here with us if I had known what I know now.

I think the bottom line is that if we followed God's original plan for self care, we wouldn't be fighting these terrible diseases. Plants are the way. They are worthless to greedy people with lust for money. But worth everything to someone who wants to stay well. Doctors are no good and just serve to betray us all. Cures don't come in pills. If they found that rat poison cured the common cold, they would prescribe it and put "side effects equals possible death. Use only as directed. FDA approved"
 
(This person has not presented any reason to be on this forum other than to promote a product in response to an old thread. - 142)

Post Edited By Moderator (142) : 2/16/2013 2:13:02 PM (GMT-7)


Water Guy
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   Posted 2/16/2013 12:11 PM (GMT -6)   
joem789 said...
Over a year later and this thread comes up under the first several hit in Google that talk about pH and Cancer.

The ignorance we see on this thread is typical brainwashing and lack of knowledge on their part. The way pH kills cancer has been well documented since the early 1900s. Anyone who cares about the truth knows that society, by design, suppresses any truth that doesn't make a million bucks for some ****** in a suit. Using baking soda to raise pH levels doesn't kill anyone. But chemo kills millions. I think I'll take my chances with baking soda thank you.

The evidence of real cures is becoming overwhelming. Not just the claims. Snake oils still rely upon "claims" because they don't work. But real cures rely upon evidence. And it's here. Tragically its been here for the longest time. Just well suppressed. I think about all the people I knew that died from cancer. They might still be here with us if I had known what I know now.

I think the bottom line is that if we followed God's original plan for self care, we wouldn't be fighting these terrible diseases. Plants are the way. They are worthless to greedy people with lust for money. But worth everything to someone who wants to stay well. Doctors are no good and just serve to betray us all. Cures don't come in pills. If they found that rat poison cured the common cold, they would prescribe it and put "side effects equals possible death. Use only as directed. FDA approved"
 
Where are these studies?  They do not exist with any scientific method so please do not come into this forum and in your first post try to tell people with cancer that baking soda cures cancer. Who is really the snake oil salesman here?

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   Posted 2/16/2013 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

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   Posted 2/16/2013 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Water Guy said...
I know a lady here in my area who reps products multi level and sells a "miracle cure" water machine that produces high alkaline water for drinking. She says there is scientific evidence in Japan that this hi alkaline water cures cancer in the human body and would have cured my PC if I had gotten to her in time. I asked her if this was true why isn't this information proved and released by the medical community, she told me that the pharmaceutical companies have kept this a secrete as it would put them out of business. Some fool just trying to take my money is what this lady is. [img]/community/emoticons/nono.gif[/img]


Bingo!

If there were actual cures like this we'd all have done it.

I feel bad for the people who fall for this stuff.

Reminds me of Kevin Trudeau's miracle cures "they" don't want us to know about. Or the old Twilight Zone where the guy comes to an old Western town promising to raise the dead (I believe it worked but he wasn't expecting that result).
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Water Guy
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   Posted 2/16/2013 1:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Actually there is evidence that high alkalinity will kill cancer cells in a petri dish, the problem is if you COULD raise the PH level in a Human Body high enough to have any effect on cancer cells all the healthy cells would die too.
 
 

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   Posted 2/16/2013 4:14 PM (GMT -6)   
This older thread was pulled up by an apparent spammer.
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