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sterd82
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   Posted 10/19/2006 10:20 PM (GMT -6)   
I just read a piece on cocoa being potentially protective of prostate cancer...kind of like pommegranite juice, tomatoe...etc.   Anybody out there drinking cocoa?....seems like a natural with cold weather fast approaching.  Might try warm soy milk/cocoa mix.
 
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Swimom
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   Posted 10/19/2006 10:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Not with very much soy my friend. Too much soy in men means to too much estrodiol..... which is prostate cancers friend! Low fat organic milk will hit the spot just right on a cold winter night :>)

sterd82
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   Posted 10/20/2006 7:08 AM (GMT -6)   
That's interesting... there are many, many articles on the benenfits of adding soy to your diet to combat PCa... I haven't seen any that suggest it might actually hinder the fight. I'm a fan of your posts, so I know you've researched a lot....Are there any articles or studies I can look at that discuss the downside of soy?

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   Posted 10/20/2006 12:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Sterd,

Note I said "not with very much soy"? Meaniing too much of a good thing is not so good sometimes. The barely .1% phytoestrogen content in an average intake of soy proteins is good for alot of reasons concerning our general health..unless one is allergic that is. Too much would act much like an estrogen in a man which is then not good. We already know estrodiol contributes to the development of PCa. There is some good evedince that very high soy diets contribute to lowered testosternone levels. That one I do believe makes sense. Lowere T levels also play some role in development so it is said. So, what is normal? I'm trying to remember...10gms soy protein? Now I gotta go look darnit all!

Don't forget...it isn't the beneficial compounds that slow down/prevent those tiny cancer cells from developing angiogenisis (spelling) come from other sources just as readily as from soy beans. We get the same benefits from pretty much all dry beans. I think if we just have a healthy protein/fiber diet, seek peace and happiness and do a little weight bearing excersise, we could potentially reduce cancer risks for us all. The rest is probably up to a higher power. If cocoa makes you feel good, I say drink up! :>)

sterd82
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   Posted 10/20/2006 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Scotch makes me feel even better...but I've dropped that from my diet.   Cocoa and pommegranite juice it is!   Thanks for clarifying...fight on!

spinbiscuit
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   Posted 10/20/2006 5:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm a Scotch lover, and can't bare the thought of giving it up completely. So my solution is to drink it occationally ( 1 double on the rocks once a week), and it will be a Glenfiddich, livet, morangie, or McCallans. So as not to slight my buddy I tried and liked Jamesons very much, but he was quick to point out its properly referred to as an Irish Whiskey.

I'm hoping the Scotch has in some way aided my recovery from PCa.

Glen

Swimom
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   Posted 10/20/2006 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Wish I liked scotch. It would sure have aided my recovery from a whole bunch of very stressful things :>) I'm afraid I'l like it too much to evn try the stuff.

aus
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   Posted Yesterday 6:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Cocoa / Soy.  An inconvenient truth.
 
No one knows the answer to your question, but it does raise sone interesting questions on diet:
 
The resource page on this site  says over 30% of men have microscopic PC by age 50. Stanford research indicates presence of invasive cancer in 40% of autopsied men over 50. Obviously this never presents a problem for most men.
 
Japanese men also have PC cells, but it's even less likely for them to develop clinical problems.
The traditional Japanese diet includes a lot of soy, which usually had soy beans and peas (those green things) and fermented products.
This  is vastly different to the "soy milk" containing sugar etc available in western supermarkets.
 
Their consumption of KJ's is very small compared to the typical western diet.
 
Cholocate:  there is a big diffence between eating dark chocolate and drinking some of the cocoa drinks sold in western supermarkets.
 
Some food for thought

Swimom
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   Posted Yesterday 10:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Yep, there's a difference in choclates alright...and I prefer hersheys!
A little more bitter than sweet for me please :>) OOOO Tiger game and popcorn with hot cocoa. Now that sounds good!

On Soy,
No matter what country one buys soy milk from, the actual health benefits have been processed down to where we're really getting very little from the milk until one consumes a large quantity. Beans, be they soy or not, are all the same pretty much.... fiber and protien rich! My family prefers organic 1 or 1/2 % milk but they love their beans of all kinds. Just eat half way healthy and you'll likely live to be 85! I plan on using organic butteron my popcorn!

spinbiscuit
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   Posted Yesterday 1:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi swimom,

Have you any thoughts on cheese? Other than its apparent link to corinary heart disease. Please don't tell me cheese consumption is detrimental to recovering PCa patients. I tried a soy cheese product, and decided it was years away from profection.

By the way there is only one place left in the USA that make Limberger now.

Wicket
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   Posted Yesterday 2:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Spin,
Well that's good to know...hopefully they will smarten up soon and not make that awful stuff too.
I love cheese, but there is a limit to what a person can consume and still live among other people!!  Pee U!!!   tongue

Ellen
 
 
Curtis, 63,  Diagnosed Aug 21, 2006
T1C
Gleason 3+3=6, 3+4=7
PSA 4.10
Bone Scan Negative!!
DiVinci surgery done on October 3rd, 2006
Catheter out October, 11, 2006
After surgery T2C and cancer found on both sides instead of just one side.
Pathology report came back clean!!!


Swimom
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   Posted Yesterday 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Spin,

There is supposedly a connection between PCa and dairy but I think it's more the estrogen effects in today's mass produced dairy products.
I like organic milk anyhow so it really doesn't matter to me. Lasts lots longer on the shelf too! I figure we're all gonna die of something so ...what ever. I'll continue to make my cornbread with bacon fat because some things just aren't good any other way than the right way!!!! I gave up busiquits 30 years ago darnit! Can't give up everything bad that is soooo good!

Not too thrilled about men and estrogen exposures though. Hubby has had 2 hormone related cancers and one more to worry about. We stick to as many organic dairy products as we can. They say high fiber, mediteranean, high vegi/fruit and whole grain diets = less cancers...bull hockey! Paul is 100% pure greek and feta fed his entire life. He eats an almost (95%) pure greek diet complete with organic olive oils and all. Nothing they say in the reports is true as far as I can tell! With one exception....Paul was a premie baby born to an estrogen exposed mother who had life saving pelvic surgery hours after he was born. Paul was a twin...to a 5 pound tumor! The cause of the tumor....estrogen! Yeah, I have an opinion on processed foods you could say! Will we ever stop eating them entirely? Nope...his momma raised him from a garden with all the right foods and he still got cancer twice. In fact, both of Paul's parents died of cancer.

Just live your life Spin... and do the best you can. It's really up to God after that my dear. You all have a great Sweetest Day!

Vickie

Jwife
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   Posted Today 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Anyone heard of a supplement called zyflamend? I have been taking it for about a month now. A Dr. Wales promotes it for prostrate health.
Jim
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