Viagra vs Cialis vs Levitra

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Tamu
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   Posted 2/3/2007 12:48 PM (GMT -7)   
I have been using Viagra now for a couple of months for both rehab and intercourse(with vacuum pump).  This I had an appointment with my urologist's PA to start on penile injections.  He gave me a low dose(7.5 micrograms) of Caverjet.  This caused an erection that lasted at least two hours and was painful for that whole time.  Needless to say I was disappointed.  I have soreness today two days after the injection.
 
I have seen here on the forum where several men have switched from Viagra to either Cialis or Levitra.  I believe most if not all have switched due to side effects of the Viagra such as headaches.  My only side effect is flushing which is not a problem.  What I would like to hear from those that have tried more then one of the three if there was any change in the erectile effect.  If I can not go with the injections then I am looking to see if I can improve on my erections via the vacuum pump and one of the ED drugs.
 
Thanks in advance for your replies.
 
Tamu
Diagnosed 7/6/06
1 of 10 core samples, 40%
Stage T1c, Gleason 3+3
Da Vinci on 11/01/06
Catheter out on 11/13/06
56 Years Old
Post Op Path
Gleason 3+3
Approx. 5% of prostate involved
Prostate Confined, margins clear
Undetectable PSA on 12/18/06
No more pads as of 1/13/07


56pontiac
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Total Posts : 202
   Posted 2/3/2007 2:08 PM (GMT -7)   
I have tried the Cialis and Viagra generics from Alldaychemist.com. They both function the same except the Cialis plugs up my sinus like I have a stuffy head cold. The viagra just gives me a hot fush in the face. I have several of the generic cialis and am not going to use them anymore. If you want them I would mail them to you free, they are sealed, I just don't like the stuffy can't breath through my nose feeling. Between the vacurect pump and the viagra I am getting very good results, and am satisfied with my healing to this point..

Tamu
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   Posted 2/3/2007 5:48 PM (GMT -7)   
56pontiac,

Thanks for the offer but if you have not seen any difference then I probably would not either. The Viagra and Vacurect works I am just seeking any additional improvement that I can. Like you the only side effect I have from the Viagra is fetting flushed in the face.

Tamu
Diagnosed 7/6/06
1 of 10 core samples, 40%
Stage T1c, Gleason 3+3
Da Vinci on 11/01/06
Catheter out on 11/13/06
56 Years Old
Post Op Path
Gleason 3+3
Approx. 5% of prostate involved
Prostate Confined, margins clear
Undetectable PSA on 12/18/06
No more pads as of 1/13/07


Bent1
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Total Posts : 26
   Posted 2/3/2007 7:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Tamu,
 
I know each of is responds differently, but I've had the best results with Viagara.
 
My doctor gave me a prescription for Viagara, but samples of all three.  The Livetra, kind of worked, but not as well and took longer.  The Cialis was the most dissapointing of the three.  The Viagara produces the best result and is completely satisfactory, most of the time.
 
I'm not using the pump or anything else.
 
Good luck in your search.
 
Bent1

Diagnosed 6/2/06, at age 63, DiVinci surgery on 9/21/06, PSA 3.6, Gleason 3+3=6  revised to 4+3=7 after pathology,  11/27/06 PSA undetectable.


PianoMan
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   Posted 2/4/2007 6:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Does anyone know if the side effects with Viage etc. go away once you've been taking the drug for some time?  I took my first Viagra tablet the other day and became flushed in the face.  Then, that night I had the worst case of heartburn I've ever had.  The next morning, my left sinus was clogged up.  I wonder if all the ED drugs will give me the same side effects -- or is there's enough of a chemical difference among them?
 

54 years old

PSA = First ever was 9.8 in late Oct. ‘06, two weeks later, 10.1

DRE: Negative

Biopsy results 11/22/06 (6 out of 8 cores positive), both lobes, Gleason 3+3 = 6

Da Vinci Robotic RP surgery, Jan 12, 2007

Post surgery pathology – organ confined, Gleason still 6, margins clear.


Tamu
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   Posted 2/4/2007 9:31 PM (GMT -7)   
PianoMan,

My only side effect is the flushing in the face. It seems that it does not matter whether I have taken 25 mgs or 100 mgs I still get the same flushing and I have been taking Viagra for two months now and it has remained the same.

Tamu
Diagnosed 7/6/06
1 of 10 core samples, 40%
Stage T1c, Gleason 3+3
Da Vinci on 11/01/06
Catheter out on 11/13/06
56 Years Old
Post Op Path
Gleason 3+3
Approx. 5% of prostate involved
Prostate Confined, margins clear
Undetectable PSA on 12/18/06
No more pads as of 1/13/07


StrictlyInc
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Total Posts : 331
   Posted 2/5/2007 12:04 AM (GMT -7)   
FWIW, I don't get side effects with Cialis, but get stuffiniess with Viagra about 20 minutes after taking it, which passes fairly quickly. Viagra seems to work better than Cialis, to me.
____________________
 
Prostate cancer diagnosed:  May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score:  3+3=6
daVinci radical prostatectomy:  July 25, 2006
size of tumor:  approx 1.1 inches
post-surgery Gleason score:  3+4=7; negative margins from surgery
number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery:  3 to 5
number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery:  1 to 2
first post-surgery PSA:  0
ongoing post-surgery treatment:  Cialis every other day, Viagra "on-demand", ErecAid pump daily Cialis every other day, ErecAid pump twice daily (when I can manage it)
 


M. Kat
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   Posted 2/5/2007 8:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Jeff has only taken Cialis and has mixed results. He takes 20 mg every other day. He asked his urologist about samples, but they don't give them out. We just received a shipment from alldaychemist. 56 Pontiac, we would be interested in those if you want to send them to us. my email address is adams@lcp.nrl.navy.mil if you want to get in touch with me that way. can Viagra be taken if you have high blood pressure?
Husband Jeff 56 years old diagnosed July 27, 2006
PSA 6.5, 2 positive areas in biopsy, Gleason 3+3=6
Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy August 30, 2006
pathology report - all clear - cancer gone
1st post-surgery PSA test 0.1, 2nd post-surgery PSA test 0.1
no more pads Oct 12, 2006
first "real" erection with use of pump 12/16/06


daveed
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   Posted 2/5/2007 11:30 AM (GMT -7)   

Tamu

Try Levitra. I have had real good experiences both pre and post op. Kicks in in about 45 minutes. I can tell when its working, like you I get flushed ( almost feels like the blood pressure is high). If I don't feel flushed I know its not going to work. Best case is on an empty stomach. Two hours after eating and no alcohol. Like I posted before a combination of levitra, some fondling, then pump when your feeling flush and I am good to go. Just need a partner now tongue

Good luck yeah yeah yeah yeah


Diagnosed March 06
PSA 4.4
Two biopsies. One core of each 5% cancer, two suspicious
Gleason 3+3=6
DaVinci surgery Nov 1, 06
Cancer confined to prostate
Ist PSA 6 weeks post op less than 0.02
 


Bent1
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   Posted 2/5/2007 2:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Seems like trying early in the mornings is effective.  The testerone (sp) is already higher, you're rested, stomach is empty, etc.  Seems as though the drugs work better.
 
Bent1

Diagnosed 6/2/06, at age 63, DiVinci surgery on 9/21/06, PSA 3.6, Gleason 3+3=6  revised to 4+3=7 after pathology,  11/27/06 PSA undetectable.


JustJulie
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   Posted 2/5/2007 2:52 PM (GMT -7)   

One of the big differences between Levitra and Viagara is you must wait 2 hours after a meal to use Viagra and you don't have that limitation with Levitra.  Cialis stays in your system longer and our Brachytherapist said she would prefer to have a drug that flushes from your system faster if it works for you.  Viagra gave my husband sinus trouble where Levitra did not.

From my standpoint, both worked for me ...

 

 

 


Axeman
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   Posted 2/6/2007 11:31 AM (GMT -7)   
I used Cialis for over a year with no results other then severe lower back pain. I now use Viagra with the Osbon Erectaid pump and results have been much better. Only flushing in the face with the Viagra.

Axe
Axe - 59
Diagnosed - October, 2004 - PSA 3.3 up from 2.4
Gleason 3+3 = 6
T2A
DaVinci Surgery - January, 2005
UVA Medical Center
All PSA's at 0.00 since


JayMan56
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Total Posts : 61
   Posted 2/6/2007 10:52 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm about to try all three over a 6 week period and will be happy to publish my findings..... Jay
  • 56 year old male, divorced
  • Diagnosed: 10/12/06
  • Two of twelve samples contained malignent cells, Gleasons: 3+3=6, 3+4=7
  • Last PSA as of 11/5/06: 2.3
  • In control, but partially terrified about the future
  • Click (or paste) this link to watch the DaVinci Procedure: http://www.or-live.com/ShawneeMission/1664/event/webcast.cfm?
  • Davinci surgery took place on 12/12/06
  • Post-op report shows zero malignancies in surrounding tissue, zero malignancies in lymph nodes and the prostate had one malignancy at 3+3=6.
  • Regained continence 3 days post-surgery.
  • Regained a full erection 8 days post-surgery!! Yippee!!!


56pontiac
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Total Posts : 202
   Posted 2/7/2007 8:45 AM (GMT -7)   
M kat tried to eamil you but it bounced back. Someone else snaged the cialis from me.

Swimom
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   Posted 2/7/2007 11:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Paul tried all 3, one at a time for weeks each. Levitra proved the best early on. Cialis still does very little for him and Viagra originally had too many side effects. Cialis is out as far as Paul is concerned. Both Viagra and Levitra work and both cause somewhat of a stuffed up nose. A stuffed nose beats the alternative in his opinion. Viagra will on occasion, cause a tad of indigestion. He prefers Levitra but will take Viagra. We keep a stock of both from alldaychemist.

PS: I am just not having much Luck! Pfizer, the maker of Viagra is just miles from my house.
The research and development division is here along with 2 of their largest manufacturing and distribution centers. I do some outside work there (not related to drug manufacturing) as of this year. Good thing, right? Lots of samples, right? Woulda been great. I was even told by a several people that typically it would be easy to obtain samples. Problem? Pfizer is closing those huge facilities and leaving the area, leaving thousands of workers at a loss for a job. Some are already gone. The news hype about the State making an attempt to keep the workers in Michigan only applies to a specific population of employees. Far less than are actually employeed. It is not true the Pfizer jobs will end in 2008. The lights go out sometime in 2008. The people will be long gone by the time the last switch is flicked. Sad for users of their products and even sadder for an already desperate State ecomomy. I won't get into the why all we should not spend money on medications made by this company but...we shouldn't! Very interesting....I discovered Pfizer wasn't the creator of Lipitor! It was developed, tested and marketed in this facility but....they got the patent in a hostile take over. I thought I remembered that place having a different name!!!!

tadaKev
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   Posted 3/28/2008 12:05 PM (GMT -7)   
so what is the difference between these cialis pills from alldaychemist?
prices way different, different pharmas and why is the week end pill so cheap?

The Week-end Pill (Tadalafil)
Tadalafil 20 mg *
* Double Pills Offer $0.75
Other Brands Available:
Forzest 20 mg (Ranbaxy) $2.08
Megalis 10mg $1.30
Tadacip 20 mg (Cipla) $2.08
Tadalis (Ajanta) $2.29

Axeman
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   Posted 3/31/2008 2:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Here's my take on all three:

Cialis - my surgeon put me on this first - extreme lower back pain, mild flushing, little results

Viagra - face flushing, stuffy nose, some results

Levitra - face flushing, mild results, was told it absorbs faster in your system.

Plus using the Osbon Erectaid. I think the Caverjet is in my future, since my Doctor does not provide Trimix or Bimix.

Axe
Axe - 60
Diagnosed - October, 2004 - PSA 3.3 up from 2.4
Gleason 3+3 = 6
T2A
DaVinci Surgery - January, 2005
UVA Medical Center
All PSA's at 0.02 since
Three Year PSA Test - 0.02


James C.
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   Posted 3/31/2008 6:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Axeman, few doctors provide Trimix or Bimix, but almost all of them will provide a prescription for it that can be sent to a compounding pharmacy to get either of the mixes.  There's a list of compounding pharmacies used by the guys here in the archives...  If you need prescription details for Bimix to give to your doc, let me know....

James C. 
 
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Age 60 
4/19/07   PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/11/07   Biopsy- 16 core samples, size of gland around 76 cc. Staging pT2c
7/17/07   Path report:  3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe , GS 3/3:6. 
9/24/07   (Open) Retropubic Radical Prostatectomy performed 
9/26/07   Post-op Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Staging pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
10/15/07  ED- begin 50mg Viagra and Vacurect pump nightly, Fully continent
1/14/08  Caverject started/stopped, aching.  2/24/08 .5ml Bimix started-success
3/24/08   ED- 6 mts.-Viagra, pump, no response- Bimix continues
Post-surgery PSA's:  3 mt:0, 6 mt:0,


DanmanBob
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   Posted 3/31/2008 6:59 PM (GMT -7)   

James,

If I am understanding you, the compounding pharmacies are typically NOT located in every town, so the prescription is usually mailed?  How long to receive it back?  Is it sent to the patient or to the doc for first application?

I plan to start using bimix in May, which is right around the corner.


Danman Bob
Age 57
Nerve-sparing, open prostate surgery November 13, 2007
Gleason score 9, PSA 14
Biopsy result - 9 of 12 sticks showed cancer
Despite high Gleason score, cancer was confined to the prostate
Possible post-surgery radiation therapy...decision likely in late April 2008, depending upon PSA at that time
Unrelated surgery January 2008 delayed incontinence recovery, which is now showing good signs of improvement (fraction of a pad a day as of March 2008)
Began using Viagra 3 times a week December 2007 to stimulate blood flow
Began using Osbon Erec-Aid Esteem manual pump for therapy mid-February 2008
Will probably begin using bimix injections in addition to Viagra and pump in May 2008


James C.
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   Posted 3/31/2008 8:33 PM (GMT -7)   

There may be compounding pharmacies in large cities, in fact I am sure there are.  Finding them might be the problem.  I would expect any doctor that is treating ed with penile injections of any kind would know of any local sources.  I, and several others here, use Franck's in Florida.  You or the doc will fax the first prescription to them, they will fill it, charging your credit card $57 for a 5ml vial and 10 syringes and you'll receive it in 3 days.  The order will be shipped to you.  You can work out the details of the first injection with your doctor.  After that, just call their toll-free number to order refills.

Here's the link to Franck's:  https://secure.francks.com/?action=human_compounding

Here's the link a National Registry of Compounding Pharmacies:

http://www.smart-publications.com/articles/findcomppharm.php

Here's the HW list:  http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1017774

I think the national drugstore chain The Medicine Shop does compounding at most locations. 


James C. 
 
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Age 60 
4/19/07   PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/11/07   Biopsy- 16 core samples, size of gland around 76 cc. Staging pT2c
7/17/07   Path report:  3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe , GS 3/3:6. 
9/24/07   (Open) Retropubic Radical Prostatectomy performed 
9/26/07   Post-op Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Staging pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
10/15/07  ED- begin 50mg Viagra and Vacurect pump nightly, Fully continent
1/14/08  Caverject started/stopped, aching.  2/24/08 .5ml Bimix started-success
3/24/08   ED- 6 mts.-Viagra, pump, no response- Bimix continues
Post-surgery PSA's:  3 mt:0, 6 mt:0,


DanmanBob
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Total Posts : 467
   Posted 4/1/2008 8:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks, James.

Danman Bob
Age 57
Nerve-sparing, open prostate surgery November 13, 2007
Gleason score 9, PSA 14
Biopsy result - 9 of 12 sticks showed cancer
Despite high Gleason score, cancer was confined to the prostate
Possible post-surgery radiation therapy...decision likely in late April 2008, depending upon PSA at that time
Unrelated surgery January 2008 delayed incontinence recovery, which is now showing good signs of improvement (fraction of a pad a day as of March 2008)
Began using Viagra 3 times a week December 2007 to stimulate blood flow
Began using Osbon Erec-Aid Esteem manual pump for therapy mid-February 2008
Will probably begin using bimix injections in addition to Viagra and pump in May 2008


Model A Vicky
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   Posted 9/10/2008 9:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Axeman and others:  Urologist sampled me with the daily Cialis a few weeks ago.  Somewhere about then, my lower back began to ache.  Now I read that may be one of the side effects.  How long after stopping Cialis does the ache last.  I have some chronic backache anyway, and with the increase has been baaaaad!
 
Doug R

Doug: diagnoised age 49 (born 1943)
supporting/loving wife: Pat
1st PSA (1991): 4.0
2nd PSA (1992): 5.4
Biopsy (Nov.1992) 6 samples, all positive
Radical Prostectomy: Jan. 1993 @ age 49
Depression: Onset within 6-8 months (low testerone)
Incontenance: 6 or so weeks, with  very slight problem continuing through present
Impotence: Continues through present
Impotence Treatment:
*Viagra/Cialas/Levitra: limited success
*Testerone Treatment: So-so success (mood swings improved)
*ErectAid: Success, but bad leak-down problem
*Recent coupling of Vigra and ErectAid: Best results, but not perfect.
1993 - 2004 PSA: 0.1
Mid 2004 PSA: 0.3
Late 2004 - Late 2006: PSA fluctates 0.2 - 0.6 (cease testerone therapy)
Feb 2007: Begin Radiation
March 2007: Complete 35 Radiation Treatments
August 2007 PSA: 0.01
August 2008 PSA: 0.04 
Possible increase in PSA: Testerone Therapy???
 


livinadream
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   Posted 9/11/2008 4:27 AM (GMT -7)   
You folks are all lucky, so far we have nothing that works, so I still deal with impotence. I guess it is ok since I have no libido either.

peace to all
Dale
My PSA at diagnosis was 16.3
age 46 (current)
My gleason score from prostate was 4+5=9 and from the lymph nodes was 4+4=8
I had 44 IMRT's
Casodex
Currently on Lupron
I go to The Cancer Treatment Center of America
Married with two kids
latest PSA 5-27-08 0.11
PSA July 24th, 2008 is 0.04
cancer in 4 of 6 cores
92%
80%
37%
28%
 


wiggyann
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Total Posts : 171
   Posted 9/11/2008 4:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello All,

My husband is impotent and will not mention this to his urologist.
He is funny that way. But he could have heard something about
the medications that upset him. If he would like to try something, which
is the best one to start out on?

Thank you everyone,
Wiggyann

M. Kat
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   Posted 9/11/2008 5:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Wiggyann, that is difficult to answer because everyone is affected differently by medications. Your husband should try each one and see which works best for him. he can ask the pharmacy to only give him a few (because they are expensive) or ask the doctor for samples. then they're free! Jeff is not very assertive either so I called his primary care doctor and asked for samples of Viagra, and a friend gave me some Levitra for him to try. Jeff found Levitra works best for him. best wishes!!
Husband Jeff 56 years old diagnosed July 27, 2006
PSA 6.5, 2 positive areas in biopsy, Gleason 3+3=6
Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy August 30, 2006
pathology report - all clear - cancer gone
1st post-surgery PSA test <0.1, 2nd post-surgery PSA test <0.1, 3rd PSA <0.1
no more pads Oct 12, 2006
first "real" erection with use of pump 12/16/06
3/07 - occasional dribbles and erections with Cialis and pump
8/07 - 1 yr PSA <0.1
9/1/07 - achieved erection with Viagra - no pump!
3/08 - 18 mo PSA <0.1
switched to Levitra - works much better than Viagra & Cialis - fewer side affects
summer of 2008 - have had a few erections with no drugs! yeah!!
8/08 - 2 yr PSA <0.1

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