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rey
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   Posted 5/13/2008 5:39 PM (GMT -6)   
i don't know if i posted about this before -forgive me if i did- my friend is very anti vaccaination -havin an autisict
child- she is of the thought that it was related to his vaccinations- she insists that there may be a link between gardasil and
the onset of my daughters uc becuase it happened shortly after her vaccinations began -has anyone heard of a link between gardasil and uc?
i know it won't change things now, but it may help others.
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   Posted 5/13/2008 6:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I was diagnosed with UC long before I got my gardasil needles.
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   Posted 5/13/2008 8:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Perhaps if none of us had any immunizations, there would be no autism and no auto-immune diseases.

But perhaps that would only be because so many of us would die young from whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, rubella, chicken pox, mumps, meningitis, pneumonia or cervical cancer.

Please forgive my rant, but I get so tired of hearing this over and over, when there's not an iota of scientific evidence for it. I've not even heard any of the immunization nuts say this about Gardasil.

Yet.
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   Posted 5/13/2008 8:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I totally agree with you, Judilyn.................
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   Posted 5/13/2008 8:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Well said, Judilyn

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   Posted 5/13/2008 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't heard anything in regard to that vaccine and UC. Just like anything else though, you stick 4 strains of virus plus 225 mcg aluminum, and a couple other things together, you never know what type of reaction a person may have, or as the government may word it.... aggravate an underlying condition. If you have any inkling of an auto-immune disease you really have no business getting a vaccine. They did link the measles portion of the MMR to UC and Crohns many years ago. Funny thing was I had the measles than got vaccinated for it shortly thereafter, lol. My child will definately not be getting any, not only becuase of the history of UC in my family, but becuase the actual risk factors of the diseases is much better than the risk factors of a vaccine that has not had proper testing. I am far from an immunization nut. Just much more educated on the subject than most people that follow that herd mentality.

Diptheria is non existant in US, 1 in 500,000 chance of getting tetanus.... pertussis/measles/mumps... mild diseases, rubella is definately dangerous for pregnant women who may pass on a birth defect because of it.... i survived chicken pox pretty easily, meningitis scary I would say, pneumonia not fun at all, hasn't been a case of someone actually getting a wild case of polio in the United states since 1979. Since we are pregnant and expecting now, I spent the last 6 months reading lots of fun stuff on the subject, plus most of the manufacture's inserts to sorta verify some of the info.



After reading through it for a second on one of their studies 12,000 women who got the thing, 9 had arthritis side affects. Out of placebo 10,000 3 reported those symptoms. A little info at least.
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Post Edited (D_A) : 5/13/2008 8:40:42 PM (GMT-6)


bookworm21
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   Posted 5/13/2008 9:26 PM (GMT -6)   

Can getting vaccines while having UC aggravate my colon? I still need to get my Gardasil vaccines. Should I get them while in remission, just in case?

I agree with Judilyn. Maybe vaccinations do cause certain behavioral/mental or auto-immune illnesses (is there substantial evidence for this?), but they do eliminate a lot of deadly diseases. And maybe if the government provided more money for research on these ("newer") illnesses, we would be a lot closer to a cure, or at least better treatment. And maybe we should hold up our end to this, too--lobby the government to provide more research funding. Just my two cents.


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Post Edited (ComedyDork) : 5/13/2008 8:29:32 PM (GMT-6)


Judy2
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   Posted 5/13/2008 10:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Good luck, D_A, I hope the parents around you keep their children immunized so your child can stay healthy. The reason these diseases are not seen is because of the high immunization rate. I had rubella, measles, mumps, chickenpox and survived them all, but I've seen any number of people who got encephalitis from them and were left deaf or brain damaged.

I hope your child is lucky and very healthy.
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Severin
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   Posted 5/13/2008 11:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Well said Judilyn.

I will also add that many of these "anti-vaccination" parents are simply clinging to anything they can to blame for their child's medical condition, much the same as many UC sufferers will cling to all kinds of weird and wacky "cures".

In the end, the parent must choose, and in the end, its the parent that must watch their child be severely handicapped, disfigured or die if they make the wrong decision.

At present, the mass of scientific knowledge and continuing world-wide research suggests that the vaccinations are the lesser of the two evils.

ComedyDork - Check with your GI, but generally you can get any vaccination you want, even while immune suppressed on 6-mp and the like. The trick is that they must be inactivated vaccines, meaning they do not use live bacteria or virus. It is however best to get your vaccinations while in remission when your immune system is functioning as close to properly as possible. This increases the chance of the vaccination "taking" and your body producing the desired level of immunity.

As for stirring your colon up, yes - some of the oral immunisations can do that.
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Sara14
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   Posted 5/13/2008 11:06 PM (GMT -6)   
D_A said...
If you have any inkling of an auto-immune disease you really have no business getting a vaccine. They did link the measles portion of the MMR to UC and Crohns many years ago.
Can you please tell me where you got the above information? I've never heard anything of the sort.
 
If you have an autoimmune disease, they actually suggest that you do get vaccines like the flu shot and sometimes a pneumonia shot, b/c you're often at a greater a risk of getting something if you have a compromised immune system (not necessarily with IBD, which we don't know for sure is an autoimmune disease).
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   Posted 5/14/2008 6:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Sara14 said...
D_A said...

If you have any inkling of an auto-immune disease you really have no business getting a vaccine. They did link the measles portion of the MMR to UC and Crohns many years ago.

Can you please tell me where you got the above information? I've never heard anything of the sort.



If you have an autoimmune disease, they actually suggest that you do get vaccines like the flu shot and sometimes a pneumonia shot, b/c you're often at a greater a risk of getting something if you have a compromised immune system (not necessarily with IBD, which we don't know for sure is an autoimmune disease).


Peer reviewed medical journal. LANCET (April 29, 1995) Showed people who got Measles vaccine (MMR) 2 ½ more likely to develop Ulcerative Colitis, and 3 times more likely to develop Crohn’s vs. the unvaccinated.

My biggest problem is the people that get really irritated when the subject is brought up, and they don't challenge that person to go research the topic. This is the fellow that came into my office that got the flu shot with no clue what was in it. He jumped in line for it Kroger's because it was free, come into the office sick blaming it on the shot... when it's was his own fault that he was allergic to eggs and went and got the stupid shot without knowing what was in it, lol. I am not anti-vaccine. They can be very dangerous though and anyone who says otherwise just hasn't looked into it theirself. As long as you understand what you are getting that's definately an educated decision. Know that you have a choice between the different manufacturer's shots too, because some are better than others. I wish my wife would of had all of those Judilyn. It would have been nice to have that passed in the breast milk.
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   Posted 5/14/2008 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Well said Judy:) I agree a zillion percent & I've done my research on this since I have a 3 year old.
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Sara14
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   Posted 5/14/2008 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
D_A said...

Peer reviewed medical journal. LANCET (April 29, 1995) Showed people who got Measles vaccine (MMR) 2 ½ more likely to develop Ulcerative Colitis, and 3 times more likely to develop Crohn’s vs. the unvaccinated..


Thanks. I will check that out. I had the MMR vaccine when I was young, as I was required to by school, I believe.
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   Posted 5/14/2008 2:38 PM (GMT -6)   
What I'm wondering is how it's even possible to deny all vaccinations for your child short of homeschooling them, as many are required to attend any public schools or day care... At least they are where I live, anyway. They even asked about my vaccination records when I started working in the health care field as they want you to have all hepatitis and tetanus vaccinations.

If my insurance covered the Gardasil vaccination I would have gotten it in a heartbeat, but it was $200 a shot. Once my new coverage kicks in I'm checking it out. HPV is becoming so ridiculously widespread and common (what is it, something like 1 in every 4 females have it now?) that it's almost scary. I personally know four girls who have it, who knows how many guys I know are carrying it, and the other day a 25 year old woman came in for surgery to get a full hysterectomy because of it. Sooo yeah...
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   Posted 5/15/2008 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
<sarcasm> Well, ya know, several hundred years ago autism was pretty much unheard of. Besides vaccinations, I wonder what else has changed in the interim. Hmm... I know, most children are born in sterile (hospital) environments now! That's right, you heard it here first -- hospital births cause autism! </sarcasm>

Makes about as much sense as most of the vaccination -> autism arguments I've heard...
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   Posted 5/15/2008 11:15 AM (GMT -6)   
oooohhhn the people who don't vaccinate really drive me nuts!!!! They're just riding on the coattails of everyone else who does vaccinate. I have researched the whole vaccination cause & effect thing tons also, but never considered not vaccinating my child. And heck yeah, I need to show her little blue book when we register for school, & for anything like sleep-away camps, sports, etc. I fully plan on having my daughter get the gardasil shot when she's of age.

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   Posted 5/15/2008 11:45 AM (GMT -6)   
ddneilson said...
<sarcasm> Well, ya know, several hundred years ago autism was pretty much unheard of. Besides vaccinations, I wonder what else has changed in the interim. Hmm... I know, most children are born in sterile (hospital) environments now! That's right, you heard it here first -- hospital births cause autism! </sarcasm>

Makes about as much sense as most of the vaccination -> autism arguments I've heard...

 
Haha! You know, I bet autism was way more common than we think back then, but the children were probably killed at birth or a young age when it was realized because the parents/community thought they were possessed or something. Back then, they also drilled giant holes in peoples' heads to "let out the demons" of the mentally ill, so it wouldn't surprise me.... People were just a lot less accepting and open about diseases than we are now, doesn't mean they weren't just as prevalent.
 

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   Posted 5/15/2008 2:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Don't most schools require vaccines? Even when I went to college, they asked if I had my vaccines if I was going to stay in the dorms. And if you want to work or volunteer in the health field or with young children, they ask for your vaccination records.
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   Posted 5/15/2008 4:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know about other places, but here in Texas, all the parents have to do is sign an affidavit saying they're opposed to vaccination for religious, medical or other reasons and the kids get to go infect everyone else in the school.
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   Posted 5/15/2008 4:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Same in NC. My neighbor doesn't vaccinate and she gets around the preschool stuff by saying she is against it religiously.
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   Posted 5/15/2008 7:34 PM (GMT -6)   
I think the key to those vaccination decisions is to get all the facts, making it an informed decision, rather than just doing it because you're supposed to. Only a parent can make that decision for their child. My 2 daughters (12 and 15) have had all their shots, so far, yet I am still leery of the fact that Thimerosol/mercury, among other toxic chemicals are in those vaccinations. What is one to do??

As for the Gardasil, that is again a parent's decision, but at this time, I need a bit more information on that one. I know from researching it that it has only been tested on 1200 pre-teens, 21,000 females altogether, and they had only been followed/studied for 18 months. Doctors will admit that no one knows the full outcomes/possible dangers yet...too soon to tell. I have read of girls having minor, as well as serious side effects (including death), paralysis, neurological, stomach problems, spontaneous abortions, etc. After the doctor gives you the shot, you must wait in the office for 20 minutes in case the patient faints. What's that about? Then, I read that the shot contains Polysorbate 80, linked to infertility in mice and sodium borate (roach killer). For me, I don't feel comfortable putting that stuff in my daughters' body, when the vaccine potentially protects only 4 of the 127 strains of HPV. I am not against vaccinations, but I'm not willing to risk side effects that may, (or may not) prevent HPV, an infection that clears up on its on 90% of the time. The hardest part is, I have to live with that decision the rest of my life, hoping I made the right choice. Being a parent is a tough job sometimes.

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   Posted 5/15/2008 8:37 PM (GMT -6)   
kim123 said...
I think the key to those vaccination decisions is to get all the facts, making it an informed decision, rather than just doing it because you're supposed to. Only a parent can make that decision for their child. My 2 daughters (12 and 15) have had all their shots, so far, yet I am still leery of the fact that Thimerosol/mercury, among other toxic chemicals are in those vaccinations. What is one to do??

As for the Gardasil, that is again a parent's decision, but at this time, I need a bit more information on that one. I know from researching it that it has only been tested on 1200 pre-teens, 21,000 females altogether, and they had only been followed/studied for 18 months. Doctors will admit that no one knows the full outcomes/possible dangers yet...too soon to tell. I have read of girls having minor, as well as serious side effects (including death), paralysis, neurological, stomach problems, spontaneous abortions, etc. After the doctor gives you the shot, you must wait in the office for 20 minutes in case the patient faints. What's that about? Then, I read that the shot contains Polysorbate 80, linked to infertility in mice and sodium borate (roach killer). For me, I don't feel comfortable putting that stuff in my daughters' body, when the vaccine potentially protects only 4 of the 127 strains of HPV. I am not against vaccinations, but I'm not willing to risk side effects that may, (or may not) prevent HPV, an infection that clears up on its on 90% of the time. The hardest part is, I have to live with that decision the rest of my life, hoping I made the right choice. Being a parent is a tough job sometimes.


There are hundreds of strains of HPV, most of which do clear up on their own, but the ones Gardasil is meant for are the strains that cause genital warts and cervical cancer, the ones that don't go away.

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   Posted 5/15/2008 9:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Just an update: in response to the unproven claims about damage from thimerosol, it has been removed as a preservative from almost all vaccines.

I think Gardasil is in a different category, as it HPV isn't communicated through casual contact such as kids (should) have at school. So if someone chooses not to have that, they aren't endangering anyone around them. I do think they then have the responsibility to inform any future sexual partners that they haven't been immunized.
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   Posted 5/16/2008 4:38 AM (GMT -6)   
I recently went to a UC talk where the speaker (a UC research Dr) said that they are now encouraging UCers to keep their vaccinations up to date in case they ever have to go onto immunosuppresants.

Anyway, based on that and an overseas trip I'm about to take, I recently caught up on a heap of vaccinations. I got hep A, hep B, tetnus, MMR (Dr did a blood test and even though I was vaccinated as a child, the immunity had worn off), chickenpox, whooping cough, rubella, and a few others I can't remember. Plus a flu shot. I got them all in one hit (used both arms!) and my UC wasn't affected at all by them. I've never heard that vaccines trigger a flare (in answer to ComedyDork's worries above).
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   Posted 5/16/2008 6:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Gardisil scares me also. I'm just afraid because this has not been studied long enough and I keep getting this sci-fi movie scenario in my head that in the future, all the girls (the future of our world) are going to become infertile because of this shot. Just a momma's fear just as I also fear that she may end up with an HPV - I'm kinda confused on this subject.
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