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Concerned Wife in WA
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   Posted 6/7/2008 12:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello again

Jim had a terrible attack last night and we are trying to figure out which meal it was. So we are wondering how long it takes to get to the colon. Any help would be much appreciated.
Crab Fisherman in Alaska

Diagnosed May 2008
Mesalamine 12 pills daily
Prednisone 40 mg
Oemneprizole

Taking multiple vitamin supplements, lots of omega 3's and Antioxidants


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   Posted 6/7/2008 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
12-48 (possibly 72 hours) depending on the motility of the intestines. For foods that aren't easily digested, it can go thru faster such as corn, seeds and nuts. The omneprizole can slow down his digestion as well - at least it did for me. It helps to keep a food diary and record everything that goes in and the next days reactions are. It can help pinpoint the problem foods. For example - day 1 he has steak, day 2 he has fish, by day 3 he is agony, you might be able to blame it on the steak. Then you can try it again and if he has no trouble with it next time, it can be something else he ate on day 1.
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Concerned Wife in WA
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   Posted 6/7/2008 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you. I have been keeping a very detailed diary right down to ingredients in cooking but wasn't sure where to start looking. How far back. He had two bad nights in a row and they started around midnight. 2 days he had wheat pancakes for bfast and I think it might be the syrup (sorbitol-sugar free) but had no clue how long it takes. We are embarking on a gluten free couple of days. I also don't know how long it takes to have his colon heal from such a severe inflammation. They could hardly go up at all when they did the scope for fear of rupture. He is supposed to go in Wed to see the doctor again.

I keep reading such contradictory things one says no fruit or corn the next one says have fruit, fruit juice corn etc. I don't know what to do so was recommended gluten free any one have any thoughts
Crab Fisherman in Alaska

Diagnosed May 2008
Mesalamine 12 pills daily
Prednisone 40 mg
Oemneprizole

Taking multiple vitamin supplements, lots of omega 3's and Antioxidants


Judy2
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   Posted 6/7/2008 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Concerned wife, the GI can test for both gluten and lactose intolerance. That might be a good place to start. Then, it's just elimination. I've had transit times (entrance to exit) as short as about 8 hours and as long as about three days, depending on how inflamed my colon was. I find a good way to measure is to eat something like asparagus or spinach, which color my stool lovely shades of green.
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pb4
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   Posted 6/7/2008 12:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been told by a few different GI's that it can take as long as 3 days (72 hrs) for everything that you've eaten today might not be completely eliminated from you until 3 days later, but everyone's system is different so it varies...3 days seems to be about the max, unless of course you're talking about someone with severe enough constipation (IBS-C for example).

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quincy
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   Posted 6/7/2008 12:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Found some information that hopefully will be helpful.
Some discomfort can be caused by gas and probably some of the gas will go ahead of whatever's in the colon. 
 
 
 
 
 
Regarding discomfort...was it on the right side, left, rectum..etc?
 
quincy
 
*Heather*Status: mini flare Dec 28... tapered to every 4th night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol (6 daily) + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 3(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed ....zymactive 3 - 5x daily
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!


hekela
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   Posted 6/7/2008 2:17 PM (GMT -6)   
as far as what he "should or shouldn't" eat (re: fruits, gluten etc...) we all seem to have such different reactions to different things.
i have a horrible reaction to eggs but most IBDers do fine with eggs. so it's really about trial and error. it's not a quick and easy process.


and i know what all the evidence says about transit time for food to get to the colon, but he could also have stool pass quickly because something he just ate bothered him. not that the food he just ate is coming out, but that it sent the message to start things moving along.

i also know for a fact (based on what things look like when they come out) that i've passed food that i had eaten only a few hours earlier. i know many people don't believe this is possible but it has happened to me more than once. if this is the case, i may start feeling lousy, have a couple of good BMs (meals from the previous day or so) and then have a couple of terrible BMs until all the yuck is out. fried food does this to me without fail.

hang in there and keep up with the food journal!! hope he's feeling better soon.
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Concerned Wife in WA
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   Posted 6/7/2008 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you all for the help. What a nightmare trying to get this right. Now he doesn't want to eat anything because he was in so much pain last night.

I appreciate all the answers as this is so difficult to figure out.

I am wondering what people consider "fried". Does that include anything in a frying pan? Scrambled eggs, hamburger (we use buffalo), hash browns etc? Or is it just deep fried?
Crab Fisherman in Alaska

Diagnosed May 2008
Mesalamine 12 pills daily
Prednisone 40 mg
Oemneprizole

Taking multiple vitamin supplements, lots of omega 3's and Antioxidants


pb4
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   Posted 6/7/2008 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Deep fried is worse then say frying an egg or anything eles pan fried...extra virgine olive oil is extreamly healthy so even switching to that if you're not using it is a great alternative, animal fats, caffeine, processed food/beverages and fast-foods can all exacerbate IBD symptoms.

:)
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hekela
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   Posted 6/7/2008 3:52 PM (GMT -6)   
ditto what pb4 just said.
i do fine with a home made stir fry, but never anything deep fried. (i miss french fries!!)
and i also do way better avoiding processed foods.
29, happily married, stay at home mom to 2.5 year old son. due to have another boy 9/17/08
UC (probably pancolitis, but no c-scope yet), diagnosed June 2006, started having major symptoms sometime in January 2006, about 3 months after childbirth. 2nd flare (minor) may 2007 after taking caprylic acid for 2 weeks.

-Prednisone 8/28/06-2/28/07. and again may '07, 8 week course.
-Prayer! asacol, probio, ground psyllium husk, prenatal, folic acid, cal-mag

may you live all the days of your life.


quincy
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   Posted 6/7/2008 11:42 PM (GMT -6)   
You could consider to request an antispasmodic....I use dicyclomine and say it helps immensely for me.

Too much fat at one time can be a bit harder to digest.

Where exactly was his pain/discomfort?

Is he taking probiotics? Sometimes they can cause discomfort if taken during the day....he can take them at night before bed.

How much omega 3 is he taking and in what form?

q
*Heather*Status: mini flare Dec 28... tapered to every 4th night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol (6 daily) + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 3(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed ....zymactive 3 - 5x daily
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!


Concerned Wife in WA
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   Posted 6/8/2008 7:39 AM (GMT -6)   
He is having pain all over the whole area. They haven't been able to do a scope all the way in because he was so bad in the hospital. I have been giving him a capsule probiotic in the daytime. We didn't get a lot of direction in the hospital. He had about 8 different GI doctors. Then they decided which one was his when he was going home. The one that came in the most was in a hurry and always seemed to have one foot out the door and nobody really gave him a lot of info except that if he didn't respond soon they were going to have to do surgery then just sent him home. No real direction. Going by what I read in books and on here more than anything. He's been home almost 2 weeks and doesn't really feel any better. How soon should the steroids etc take away the pain. I have never seen doctors so afraid to give pain meds. We have to beg for them and then they will only give him 10. He is needing them to even be able to eat and he needs to eat. He is wasting away. We see the GI doc on Wed but I am considering taking him back to emergency. I am putting flax oil in some foods and some flax seed in some food. The eggs I give him are the ones with omega 3's. I only give him the whites. Everything that can have omega 3's I give him.
44 y/o Crab Fisherman in Alaska

Diagnosed May 2008
Mesalamine 12 pills daily
Prednisone 40 mg
Oemneprizole

Taking multiple vitamin supplements, lots of omega 3's and Antioxidants


Judy2
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   Posted 6/8/2008 8:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Concerned Wife, you don't have to let someone else decide who his GI is. Check to see who's covered under your insurance, ask around and see if anyone knows who's good, and try one that looks promising. If you're not happy, change doctors. I think most of us here who live in the US have had at least two GI doctors. You need someone who will listen and who you trust.

With this much pain after two weeks, I suggest calling the GI and trying to get him in to be seen. Prednisone usually works within a week. He may not be responding to the mesalamine, and if so, there are other 5-ASA's to try.
Judy
 
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Avascular necrosis in both shoulders is my "forever" gift from steroid therapy.
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quincy
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   Posted 6/8/2008 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Your husband should be eating all the egg....that's where all the vitamins and minerals are.

There's a liquid food supplement for CD...it's called Modulen *by Nestle*. Check it out. I have no idea where he can buy it.

Is he eating any other carbs such as toast?

I'd actually nix the flax oil until he starts to get actual food in his body....

Maybe another trip to the hospital should be in the plans...especially if he's not improving.

It could also be the 5ASA meds that he's sensitive to...that's always a possibility.

quincy
*Heather*Status: mini flare Dec 28... tapered to every 4th night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol (6 daily) + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 3(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed ....zymactive 3 - 5x daily
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!


dakotagirl
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   Posted 6/8/2008 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I had a whole post typed up and hit "submit" and it disappeared! Agh...

Here it goes again...

A few questions/concerns...

You mentioned wheat pancakes. Are these whole wheat? If so, I'd switch back to regular and stay away from whole grains until his colon is healed. Typically during a bleeding flare, a low residue diet is used. This keeps "rough" material from coming into contact with the tender colon.

Please try to stay away from artificial sugars - also tough on colons. In the same respect, too much sugar of any kind isn't good.

Why not give him the yolks of the eggs? At this point he needs calories! As long as it's not fat from being deep fried, or say too much butter, fat is okay. His body need lean protein to heal as well.

Has he tried a liquid diet for a few days to see if that helps?

He should not be denied pain meds! In fact, my first GI was the one to recommend Darvocet for me.

I hope he finds some relief soon.
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Concerned Wife in WA
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   Posted 6/8/2008 9:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello,

quincy

The egg yolks give him gas.

He hasn't been having any bread or crackers or anything because I was told that would be too hard on him. Soft foods only....

I am ready to take him back into the hospital but he hasn't had any blood in his stool so that was when they told me to bring him back in.


dakotagirl,

Yes the pancakes were whole wheat. I thought white was bad for the colon. I am getting so confused.

I haven't been giving him the yolks because they give him gas and cause more pain. When he was in the hospital they put him on a picc line for 4 days after he hadn't eaten for 2 weeks.

He's freaked out that he is wasting away. He has always stayed in good shape.

It has been like pulling teeth our regular doctor says he needs to try to get off the pain meds, then I called the Gi and she says to call the family doctor. I finally had to call the GI again on their answering machine and get their on call GI to write me something for him cuz the family doctor is on vacation and the other dr in their office won't write prescriptions for each other pain meds. I begged her since he can't eat without them. Had to drive almost 2 hours to the hospital to get them and all she gave him was 10.

I could understand if he was always asking for them but he has never been on pain meds before and he really needs them

wow.

So now I will have to start begging again on Tuesday, because he will be out again
44 y/o Crab Fisherman in Alaska

Diagnosed May 2008
Mesalamine 12 pills daily
Prednisone 40 mg
Oemneprizole

Taking multiple vitamin supplements, lots of omega 3's and Antioxidants


quincy
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   Posted 6/8/2008 10:07 PM (GMT -6)   
The omega 3 eggs could be what's giving him gas. Try the regular eggs..might make a difference.

Maybe try them boiled instead of scrambled.

One at a time.

They are high in sulphur, so that might be part of it.

He could try a digestive enzyme such as Bromelain to break down the protein.

Just a few suggestions.



q
*Heather*Status: mini flare Dec 28... tapered to every 4th night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol (6 daily) + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 3(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed ....zymactive 3 - 5x daily
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!


Old Hat
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   Posted 6/8/2008 10:53 PM (GMT -6)   
There is something about griddle cakes that makes them bad for people with intestinal problems-- this I heard via a friend's gastro when I was 1st diagnosed with UC in 1980. I cut them out of my diet & never went back to eating them though I do o.k. with an occasional waffle. Your husband could safely try puffed rice cereal or cooked cream of rice cereal for breakfast. He needs sources of protein-- so a boiled egg or poached egg/fish or steamed fish with some plain boiled rice might be tolerable. A UC patient can also try stage 3 baby food in a pinch; it has some nutritional value but very mild flavoring so it should not contribute to pain while in transit thru the colon. Can he tolerate ripe banana or natural applesauce? Soy milk if intolerant of dairy products? These items helped me during past severe left-sided flares, which came under control with steroid drugs-- then my gastro switched me to mesalamine meds for lesser flares & maintenance of remission. / Old Hat (nearly 30 yrs with left-sided UC; currently on 3 Colazal daily for maintenance of remission)

pb4
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   Posted 6/8/2008 10:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I never had issues with pancakes/waffles but then again there never has been any specific foods for me that made my symptoms worse.

:)
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Red_34
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   Posted 6/9/2008 5:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I just wanted to chime in about the pain meds. My GI in the beginning was extremely hesitant about giving me pain meds. I had to literally yell on the phone that I as in PAIN. So then he started prescribing me Darvocet as needed. I for one can't take many pain meds NOW because they constipate me severely which to me is a warning sign that if I was to use them regularly that I may be setting myself up for toxic megacolon. This is a highly dangerous condition in which the colon stops working from being too sluggish and can rupture if not taken care of promptly. That is the main reason that some docs won't prescribe narcotic pain relievers. Of course, TMC is a very rare complication but all precautions should be used while taking narcotic pain relievers and Immodium (anti-diarrheals). But I am a firm believer too that if you are in pain, you take pain meds because what else can you do right????
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ducridr
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   Posted 6/9/2008 8:49 AM (GMT -6)   
I haven't tried a gluten-free diet but when I was first diagnosed (pancolitis - in a really bad flare - almosts in remission at this point) I couldn't eat anything fried - even in EVOO in a pan on the stove. I stuck to really boring and bland foods (applesauce, plain chicken breast (no skin), homemade chicken soup (no spices added - just broth, carrots, celery, potato, and boneless skinless chicken cooked for several hours so everything was soft), cottage cheese, mashed potatoes (no skins), potato soup, pasta, etc.) I tried to stay away from anything that might be rough on my colon. Unfortunately, it also meant that food went through me pretty quickly.

I haven't done the baby food thing but it did cross my mind to get my fruits and veggies. I drink V8 Fusion to get vege & fruit equivalents. I can't eat tomatoes in any form, nothing with seeds, no skins, nothing fried (it pays me back any time I try it), no onions, beans, spicy foods, raw vegetables - except for carrots (I can eat many veggies cooked now including asparagus and broccoli!!). I have discovered that in addition to the sugar replacement *tol's affecting me I also have trouble with anything except yogurt with high fructose corn syrup. I have only had beef 3-4 times in the last 6+ months since being diagnosed.

My heating pad was my best friend for months. I have one that turns off automatically after 2 hours so that I didn't burn myself when I slept on it. If the pain woke me in the middle of the night I would turn it back on and make my way back to sleep. When I was really bad I couldn't bend my legs when I slept or I'd end up in pain and any pressure on my abdomen (even a cat paw) caused really bad pain.

I am not lactose intolerant (I told my hubby if I was or if I become so they can have my colon...I LOVE CHEESE!!!!) nor do I have problems with gluten. As I have been getting better and adding to my food repertoire I have discovered that a cinnamon roll and yogurt for breakfast works really well for me. I also have done the cinnamon stick in my tea after someone on HW recommended it. Chamomile tea has been wonderful for me. As I'm sure you've read over and over, everyone is different when it comes to what affects them and their UC. After 6+ months I'm still figuring out things that are affecting me both positively and negatively. As I get healthier I can eat a wider variety of foods - especially fruits and veggies.

Ducridr

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Asacol - 6 (400mg) 2x/day, Tums EX - 2 - 3x/day, Xifaxin 2 (200mg) 2x/day, Prednisone 5mg (started at 40mg Nov 07), multi-vitamin, calcium and vit d supplement, potassium supplement, Junel FE (BCP)

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