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Christine1946
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   Posted 6/17/2009 1:56 PM (GMT -7)   
     I was wondering while sittin here on my sore butt.  Anything worthwhile putting in a sitz bath and relaxing?  Seems my rear is the real culprit here.  If I could just snitch that part off, I would be as good as new.
62 yr old granny. South Jersey
Diagnosed with ulcerative proctitis in 1998 in hospital
Hospitalized (2nd time) in May 2008
Meds as of June 09: Colazal (6 per day), 6MP (50 mgm), Probiotic (upped to 3 per day), Fish oil capsule, calcium, multivitamin, Cort enema nightly, Canasa in morning.  Also taking Benicar and Toprol to control high blood pressure.  Getting old is a b****.


pb4
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   Posted 6/17/2009 2:19 PM (GMT -7)   
I most definitely recommend them, I do them with plenty of epsom salts, very soothing and healing for fissures too.

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My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


subdued
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   Posted 6/17/2009 2:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Epsom salts are a laxative.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting; Colitis Dec 06 (also have IBS); Currently in remission

Figuring out how to reduce a flare or get into remission is a trial and error experience. Don't expect your GI to have all the answers. He was trained in making diagnoses, prescribing medications, and surgically removing the colon. He was not trained in alternative treatments. That's why they are called alternative treatments.

Lexapro (for stress), Probiotics and Vitamins, Anti-inflammatory foods, No pro-inflammatory foods when flaring, No HFCS, No foods high in fructose, No artificial sweeteners -- Fecal transplantation worked, Prednisone stopped working, Colazal stopped working, Asacol stopped working


fruitgirl
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   Posted 6/17/2009 4:30 PM (GMT -7)   
But wouldn't you have to DRINK the epsom salts and not just soak your bum in it for it to have a laxative effect?

Sorry, I don't know what to tell you to do. I got really bad hemmies during childbirth and got a sitz bath, but mine wasn't comfy to use..it dug into my legs really bad when I sat down. So I just took hot, hot, hot baths twice a day, which helped the pain somewhat. The thing that finally got rid of the hemmies was regular hydrocortisone creme.
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Symptoms began in November 2008, ~4 weeks after giving birth to my son.
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pb4
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   Posted 6/17/2009 6:26 PM (GMT -7)   
subdued said...
Epsom salts are a laxative.
 

You don't drink it for crying out loud, you add it to your bath water  eyes


My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


subdued
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   Posted 6/17/2009 10:55 PM (GMT -7)   
pb4 said...
subdued said...

Epsom salts are a laxative.



You don't drink it for crying out loud, you add it to your bath water [img]/community/emoticons/eyes.gif[/img]


?? I never said anything about drinking it.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting; Colitis Dec 06 (also have IBS); Currently in remission

Figuring out how to reduce a flare or get into remission is a trial and error experience. Don't expect your GI to have all the answers. He was trained in making diagnoses, prescribing medications, and surgically removing the colon. He was not trained in alternative treatments. That's why they are called alternative treatments.

Lexapro (for stress), Probiotics and Vitamins, Anti-inflammatory foods, No pro-inflammatory foods when flaring, No HFCS, No foods high in fructose, No artificial sweeteners -- Fecal transplantation worked, Prednisone stopped working, Colazal stopped working, Asacol stopped working


pb4
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   Posted 6/17/2009 11:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Well it confused me I guess cuz why else would you say something like that about it being a laxative, it doesn't cause a laxative effect from bathing with it...and no one else was saying anything about drinking it either, I don't even think the idea of drinking it has ever even crossed my mind (so I wouldn't) but apparently it can be used on your grass to help promote healthy grass, on the carton of epsom salts from walmart it gives instructions on how much water to mix it with to use on your grass, that I might try.

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My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


subdued
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   Posted 6/18/2009 2:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Sulfates, including magnesium sulfate, are laxatives. They are easily absorbed through the skin. Epson salts are a laxative even if you just bathe in an epson salt bath.

If you would like to reap the benefits from magnesium, then try eating spinach. Spinach is a great source of magnesium. I eat a lot of spinach.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting; Colitis Dec 06 (also have IBS); Currently in remission

Figuring out how to reduce a flare or get into remission is a trial and error experience. Don't expect your GI to have all the answers. He was trained in making diagnoses, prescribing medications, and surgically removing the colon. He was not trained in alternative treatments. That's why they are called alternative treatments.

Lexapro (for stress), Probiotics and Vitamins, Anti-inflammatory foods, No pro-inflammatory foods when flaring, No HFCS, No foods high in fructose, No artificial sweeteners -- Fecal transplantation worked, Prednisone stopped working, Colazal stopped working, Asacol stopped working

Post Edited (subdued) : 6/18/2009 2:12:50 AM (GMT-6)


pb4
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   Posted 6/18/2009 11:21 AM (GMT -7)   
Well that is interesting but neither myself or anyone else that I know whom use epsome salts in their bath have ever had D issues from it...and I've never heard this before, I mean I know our skin absorbs everything into us but causing D from bathing with epsom salt sounds pretty out there.

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My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


Eva Lou
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   Posted 6/18/2009 11:34 AM (GMT -7)   
ok, that's absolutely wrong that epsom salt baths have a laxative effect- only oral magnesium sulfates will act as a laxative. Like 90% of the bath salts on the market are magnesium sulfate based. A shake of epsom salt in a coupe inches of really hot water will feel wonderful on anyone's sore butt! Where do you get this information, subdued? It's totally false, & easy to find that out as well. nI love sitz baths though- nothing else helps as much with hammorhoids, sore bottoms, etc.
diagnosed with UC '02
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Asacol- 8 tabs/day
Remicade-10mgs/kg- since 4/07
Imuran- 150mgs/day
various probiotics
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subdued
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   Posted 6/18/2009 3:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Eva Lou said...
Where do you get this information, subdued? It's totally false, & easy to find that out as well.


From the Web. There are a ton of links that talk about it.

Here's a link to a study that was done on the absorption of magnesium sulfate through the skin that was done in the UK:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2936282/Report-on-Absorption-of-magnesium-sulfate

All volunteers took Epsom salt baths. Blood and urine tests were taken afterwards. The results of the tests showed increased levels of magnesium and sulfate.

The increase in magnesium and sulfate weren't enough to warrant Epsom salt baths to be bad for the kidneys, but any amount of an increase in sulfate can not be good for diarrhea.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting; Colitis Dec 06 (also have IBS); Currently in remission

Figuring out how to reduce a flare or get into remission is a trial and error experience. Don't expect your GI to have all the answers. He was trained in making diagnoses, prescribing medications, and surgically removing the colon. He was not trained in alternative treatments. That's why they are called alternative treatments.

Lexapro (for stress), Probiotics and Vitamins, Anti-inflammatory foods, No pro-inflammatory foods when flaring, No HFCS, No foods high in fructose, No artificial sweeteners -- Fecal transplantation worked, Prednisone stopped working, Colazal stopped working, Asacol stopped working

Post Edited (subdued) : 6/18/2009 3:17:44 PM (GMT-6)


Eva Lou
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   Posted 6/18/2009 3:07 PM (GMT -7)   
it may very well be minimally absorbed, but not to thepoint where it would cause a laxative effect. Believe me- I've taken baths in the stuff & used it as a laxative, drinking it after dissolving in H20, & there is a marked difference in the 2! The bath leaves you relaxed & nice, the drink leaves you running for the john, a la Go-Lytely. In the study you linked, they don't mention any laxative effects the subjects noted- in fact, it clearly states that "no volunteer complained of any adverse effects." Which they would, if they experienced the laxative effects!



diagnosed with UC '02
meds-
Asacol- 8 tabs/day
Remicade-10mgs/kg- since 4/07
Imuran- 150mgs/day
various probiotics
Fiber supplement
 
 
 

Post Edited (Eva Lou) : 6/18/2009 3:17:04 PM (GMT-6)


subdued
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   Posted 6/18/2009 3:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Here are some more links:

http://www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/showthread.php?t=769
"The main side effect of prolonged strong Epsom salt baths, other than relaxing to the point where one falls asleep, is diarrhea."

http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/epsom-salt-baths-vs-magnesium-supplements.html

"Epsom salt baths loosen my children's bowels, acting as a laxitive."

"Good thoughts/suggestions, but I also want to add, if he gets diarrhea from the Epsom Salts bath, the reason may be the amount of salts you are using. So, also, keep that in mind... start with small amounts and gradually build it up over time... if it gets to the loose stools point, back off on the amount, that is too much."

Please note that one of the posters is named Joy, but it isn't me. She just happens to have the same name as me.

Of course, these are not scientific studies. They are just people giving there opinion.

Having colitis, I have to be very careful to not get diarrhea. If I do anything even slightly wrong, I will get a bout of diarrhea. I used to take epsom salt baths. I found they made my diarrhea worse. I now no longer take them. I get my magnesium from spinach.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting; Colitis Dec 06 (also have IBS); Currently in remission

Figuring out how to reduce a flare or get into remission is a trial and error experience. Don't expect your GI to have all the answers. He was trained in making diagnoses, prescribing medications, and surgically removing the colon. He was not trained in alternative treatments. That's why they are called alternative treatments.

Lexapro (for stress), Probiotics and Vitamins, Anti-inflammatory foods, No pro-inflammatory foods when flaring, No HFCS, No foods high in fructose, No artificial sweeteners -- Fecal transplantation worked, Prednisone stopped working, Colazal stopped working, Asacol stopped working


pb4
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   Posted 6/18/2009 3:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, I use tons of it in a full bath (as does my sister, mom and 4 of my friends) and not a single one of us have ever gotten D because of it and my sis has IBS, my mom has UC. I say hogwash on that theory (if it even is a theory which I doubt).

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My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


subdued
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   Posted 6/18/2009 4:11 PM (GMT -7)   
That's fine, pb4. I just wanted to let people know that epsom salts are a laxative. You needn't get defensive about it.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting; Colitis Dec 06 (also have IBS); Currently in remission

Figuring out how to reduce a flare or get into remission is a trial and error experience. Don't expect your GI to have all the answers. He was trained in making diagnoses, prescribing medications, and surgically removing the colon. He was not trained in alternative treatments. That's why they are called alternative treatments.

Lexapro (for stress), Probiotics and Vitamins, Anti-inflammatory foods, No pro-inflammatory foods when flaring, No HFCS, No foods high in fructose, No artificial sweeteners -- Fecal transplantation worked, Prednisone stopped working, Colazal stopped working, Asacol stopped working


pb4
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   Posted 6/18/2009 5:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Don't mean to come off defensive as I'm sure Eva doesn't either, just shocked at such information, I just don't believe everything I read especially since it's not been my experiance (or anyone elses experiance that I know personally) and I've been doing epsom salts baths for yrs now, ever since I started working out cuz epsom salts baths are known to draw pain from your body and it's always done wonders. Just seemed though like you were knocking my advice about using it in sitz baths when I know plenty of others (including here at HW) swear by it (and have no issues with it causing D).

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


Eva Lou
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   Posted 6/18/2009 6:04 PM (GMT -7)   
right- I just feel like you're giving people false information by saying "epsom salts cause diarrhea", especially when it's being discussed in this context, strictly used for bathing. The links you posted about a connection between epsom salt baths & laxatives have no clinical basis whatsoever.
diagnosed with UC '02
meds-
Asacol- 8 tabs/day
Remicade-10mgs/kg- since 4/07
Imuran- 150mgs/day
various probiotics
Fiber supplement
 
 
 

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