Caution on Whey Protein shakes, L-Glutamine

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InSoFla
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   Posted 2/9/2012 7:59 AM (GMT -6)   
With regard to whey protein shakes, and also amino acids in general, including L-Glutamine, I wanted to caution those of you using these products: 
 
amino acids (proteins)  are delicate, and if you're using a blender to make your smoothies use the  blender on the LOWEST possible power, or if possible just get one of those new BPA free plastic shaker bottles that have the stainless steel little ball that shakes it all up.
 
The reason for this is that heat (from the blender speed) destroys the delicate amino acids, and will pulvarize them.
 
Just a word of caution, so you still get the amino acids your body requires...
 
 
Dx - UC 09/2010.Tried various Mesalamine enemas/suppos/pills with Prednisone for several rounds without any help.PaleoDiet of proteins,veggies,salads, fruits, & protein shakes w/almond milk, Liquid Minerals& Vitamins,Maca powder,L-Glutamine 15g, D-Ribose 5g,L-ArgEthylEster,chia seeds,VSL#3,K2,VIt. D3 100,000 IU every 10 days.Transdermal LDN put me remission!

i_love_coffee
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   Posted 2/9/2012 10:29 AM (GMT -6)   

i want to try one of these shakes but from what i understand the whey protein has lactose and i am lactose intolerant.

 

anyone make these shakes with no whey protein and what is a good sub??


InSoFla
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   Posted 2/9/2012 12:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, you can try hemp protein or pea protein, together with almond milk.
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Dsm4life
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   Posted 2/9/2012 12:13 PM (GMT -6)   
I am sorry but this is not true. Protein maybe be denatured but it will NOT be destroyed from blender heat.

InSoFla
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   Posted 2/9/2012 12:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm pretty sure I read the L-Glutamine would be. And since most protein shakes contain L-Glutamine ....
Dx - UC 09/2010.Tried various Mesalamine enemas/suppos/pills with Prednisone for several rounds without any help.PaleoDiet of proteins,veggies,salads, fruits, & protein shakes w/almond milk, Liquid Minerals& Vitamins,Maca powder,L-Glutamine 15g, D-Ribose 5g,L-ArgEthylEster,chia seeds,VSL#3,K2,VIt. D3 100,000 IU every 10 days.Transdermal LDN put me remission!

Dsm4life
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   Posted 2/9/2012 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
This is not true. If protein was destroyed by blender heat then how would it ever survive to get to your stomach? Its a myth. You can do some googling and see for yourself.

stereofidelic89
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   Posted 2/9/2012 1:12 PM (GMT -6)   
InSoFla said...
With regard to whey protein shakes, and also amino acids in general, including L-Glutamine, I wanted to caution those of you using these products:


amino acids (proteins) are delicate, and if you're using a blender to make your smoothies use the blender on the LOWEST possible power, or if possible just get one of those new BPA free plastic shaker bottles that have the stainless steel little ball that shakes it all up.



The reason for this is that heat (from the blender speed) destroys the delicate amino acids, and will pulvarize them.



Just a word of caution, so you still get the amino acids your body requires...


Good to know, thanks!

But wait, does this mean every time you eat a cooked burger, you're not getting a sufficient amount of amino acids? And Quinoa too?

Antiflare
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   Posted 2/9/2012 3:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I read that whey isolate has a reduced lactose content.

deltaforce
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   Posted 2/10/2012 5:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Actually, I do agree with Dsm4life.

The only way any amino acid will be destroyed is by denaturing, which will not happen in the blender no matter how high speeds you use. The only way they will be denatured is by enzymatic or other chemical reaction, which could happen in the blender depending on the other ingredients but not as a result of blender.

So my take, don't worry about the blender, worry about what you are mixing it with.
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Kolitis
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   Posted 2/18/2012 11:18 PM (GMT -6)   
InSoFla said...
With regard to whey protein shakes, and also amino acids in general, including L-Glutamine, I wanted to caution those of you using these products:


amino acids (proteins) are delicate, and if you're using a blender to make your smoothies use the blender on the LOWEST possible power, or if possible just get one of those new BPA free plastic shaker bottles that have the stainless steel little ball that shakes it all up.



The reason for this is that heat (from the blender speed) destroys the delicate amino acids, and will pulvarize them.



Just a word of caution, so you still get the amino acids your body requires...




Hahahaha....wrong!
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ItsAlwaysSomething
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   Posted 2/19/2012 12:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi InSoFla
Thanks for the warning.....
As usual, you're trying to help people.

I tried googling the topic of destroying amino acids and found a lot of conflicting information.
I use the blender on a higher speed to mix up the bananas or strawberries and almond milk to make the basic smoothie and then use the lowest speed to mix in anything that might be sensitive. I haven't noticed any heat being generated.
:-)
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InSoFla
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   Posted 2/19/2012 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Thanks.
It's not all amino acids that become pulvarized through the high speed blender, just the L-Glutamine and the Glutathione (which is contained in alot of good quality whey protein). I did read it somewhere, but just can't locate the source right now.
 
I think you're doing it the right steps. :-)
Dx - UC 09/2010.Tried various Mesalamine enemas/suppos/pills with Prednisone for several rounds without any help.PaleoDiet of proteins,veggies,salads, fruits, & protein shakes w/almond milk, Liquid Minerals& Vitamins,Maca powder,L-Glutamine 15g, D-Ribose 5g,L-ArgEthylEster,chia seeds,VSL#3,K2,VIt. D3 100,000 IU every 10 days.Transdermal LDN put me remission!

ItsAlwaysSomething
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   Posted 2/20/2012 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
InSoFla - Here's your source :-)

While looking at the maca info, I found this on the cureforulcerativecolitis.com website:
Here’s the recipe for “Morning Glory Shake”:

8 oz. of Almond Milk
1 scoop of Pro-Optimal Whey Protein powder, chocolate flavored
1 Tablespoon of Chia Seeds
1 teaspoon of Maca Root Powder
1 scoop of Glutamine powder

Mix all the ingredients in a blender – on very low speed, as the amino acids in the Pro-Optimal Whey Protein are delicate and can easily be destroyed with heat (through high speed blenders which create heat), and enjoy. This “Morning Glory” shake is just delicious and so packed with all the nutrition you need, not just to start your day off right, but to help heal your immune system and colon.
Female, Retired
Diagnosed UC 2002, Colazal generic (balsalazide), Mesalamine and/or Colocort enemas as needed.
Benebiotic and Jarrow S Boulardii probiotics, vitamins, slippery elm bark, chia seeds, L-Glutamine and LDN.
Working toward a more organic, gluten-free, lactose-free diet.
Goal: REDUCE INFLAMMATION!

aguywithuc
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   Posted 2/20/2012 12:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Most proteins today are 'instantized' and just a 1-2 second stir from a stir stick blender does the job.

However I have parted company with Creatine and Whey isolates except for 'Oats-N-Whey' Natural a great tasting UC friendly powder.

Get my glutamine from a high protein diet ( salmon, eggs, chicken, almond butter ) supplemented with the above and Pure Green Protein which I think everyone here should try. I definitely felt it was a step forward with good ingredients including spirolina. I have had a small shake of that ever day since the first day I tried it.

In the passed I was consuming so much protein that it became hard on my system especially this pre-processed stuff. Now that I eat mostly food instead of supplements I seem to be doing better. Between meals I snack on the protein drinks and almond butter / honey on Harvest Seeded bread.

InSoFla
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   Posted 2/20/2012 7:51 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Thanks!
So glad you found it. :-)
How are you doing?

Dx - UC 09/2010.Tried various Mesalamine enemas/suppos/pills with Prednisone for several rounds without any help.PaleoDiet of proteins,veggies,salads, fruits, & protein shakes w/almond milk, Liquid Minerals& Vitamins,Maca powder,L-Glutamine 15g, D-Ribose 5g,L-ArgEthylEster,chia seeds,VSL#3,K2,VIt. D3 100,000 IU every 10 days.Transdermal LDN put me remission!

InSoFla
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   Posted 2/20/2012 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Glad you've found a regimen and diet that has you in optimal health!
:-)  
Dx - UC 09/2010.Tried various Mesalamine enemas/suppos/pills with Prednisone for several rounds without any help.PaleoDiet of proteins,veggies,salads, fruits, & protein shakes w/almond milk, Liquid Minerals& Vitamins,Maca powder,L-Glutamine 15g, D-Ribose 5g,L-ArgEthylEster,chia seeds,VSL#3,K2,VIt. D3 100,000 IU every 10 days.Transdermal LDN put me remission!

jnnrr415
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   Posted 5/24/2012 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, I'm a new member here (recently diagnosed) and have been researching nutrition and alternative therapies. I found a study indicating that compounds in whey protein may reduce some of the symptoms of inflammatory bowel disease. Whey protein powder is usually very low lactose and you can find lactose-free powder. A snip from the article:

"The researchers reasoned that whey protein might be beneficial for IBD because of its high concentration of two amino acids– threonine and cysteine—which have been found to be necessary for the production of mucin. “Mucin is the mucous like substance that allows the gut to better protect itself“, explained Joseph Brasco, MD, a gastroenterologist and nutrition expert from the Center for Colon and Digestive Disorders in Huntsville, Alabama, and my go-to source for all things having to do with digestive health.

The researchers induced colitis in rats (using a chemical called DSS- dextran sulfate sodium) and then fed them one of three diets. In one diet the main source of protein was casein, in the second it was also casein but supplemented with the two amino acids threonine and cysteine, while the third was whey protein.

The whey protein diet increased mucin secretion and protected against gut inflammation in general. In addition, the whey protein increased the production of lactobacilli and bifidobacteria...'

http://jonnybowdenblog.com/whey-protein-may-reduce-symptoms-of-inflammatory-bowel-disease/

Old Mike
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   Posted 5/24/2012 7:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Jnnrr,you might find this thread of interest.
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InSoFla
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   Posted 5/24/2012 7:27 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Welcome to the forum.
Glad you found us.
 
What was your diagnosis?
Are you on any meds?
 
have been researching nutrition and alternative therapies
 
I have found that a combination of diet and supplements, together with Whey Protein shakes (made with almond milk), as well as LDN have been put me in remission. It took alot of trial and error ( and time) to get to the point I am at right now.
 
Interesting that you're posting on the L-Threonine. I just posted this thread, you may want to look at it as well:  http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&p=2&m=2376156#m2426765
 
 
If you are interested in what's worked to put me into remission, you can check out my sig, and check out the link (http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=1666318).
 
Let us know how we can help you.  


Rx meds didn't help me. But 4.5 mg LDN +Paleo diet +supplements =REMISSION.Protein shakes w/almond milk,Maca powder,L-Glutamine,D-Ribose,chia seeds.VSL#3,K2,VIt. D3,slippery elm bark powder.For more info,my protocol is the 11th post at this link: http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=1666318
If you have any questions, you can find my email address at my profile.

stereofidelic89
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   Posted 5/24/2012 9:39 PM (GMT -6)   
If anyone is interested, here is a great blog article on Glutamine and its healing effects www.naturalnews.com/035956_glutamine_supplements_healing.html.
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