My update on using clay for UC - PART I

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lookforcure
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   Posted 4/25/2012 8:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello everybody,today is the 36th day of me taking Terramin and Pascalite clay.
I feel great! No pain, no gas, no cramps, no blood. I have more energy, I can leave the house and do whatever I want, without any pain or fear that my intestines will go into spasms any minute. My diet is much less strict. I do not take any drugs or other supplements, not even the probiotics. I have got my life back!
Clay is very easy to take, just 1 teaspoon of the clay powder in a glass of water, 3 times per day. It is safe, simple and there is no side effect. Even if you do not get the results I have with colitis, you still will get the minerals from the clay, boost your immune system and increase your energy level.
If anybody is interested, here is the link to my original post:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2392791

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herbgarden
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   Posted 4/25/2012 2:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I just ordered some! I will keep you all posted on the results.

Conquer UC
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   Posted 4/25/2012 7:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Im still waiting for mine to arrive estimated mid May.
Can others 'therearemiracles' and 'ucslayer' who mentioned using the terramin/pascalite clays update us on how they are doing??
25 yo female Nutritionist
UC pancolitis dx April 2011 ~1 month after birth of my first child. Went into remission after a course of prednisone (hated the s/e esp psychological ones!) .
Maintenance: mesalazine 3g/d. Sacc Bouldarii, Benefibre. Non-iron Mv. Curcumin, Low Fodmaps, Glutenfree, ?red meat, ?tuna, no salmon-allergic, eggs max 6/week.
Coming out of a proctitis flare that started Jan '12

contented1
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   Posted 4/25/2012 9:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I just ordered as well. I will post my info and keep updated on how it works.

SS0000
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   Posted 4/25/2012 9:03 PM (GMT -6)   
i wanna hear from some more people on this!!
diagnosid 2008 , with minor "flares" up untill 2011...
currently on 40 mg pred
cannot take any mesalamine meds
flare since dec 2011 - current
cannot stop rectal bleeding or urgency
gluten free/ min to no dairy, probitics,
interested in LDN & slippery elm

seasons21
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   Posted 4/26/2012 8:05 AM (GMT -6)   
What were your symptoms before you started the clay. Did is bring a remission by itself? How long did it take? Anyone know if this clay is screened for contaminents like lead or arsenic?

Thanks. Glad you are feeling well.

aguywithuc
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   Posted 4/26/2012 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Excellent!

I have my clay pills here and ready to go should I need them.

therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/26/2012 9:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been on it for a full week now, even last night a I did a small clay enema! I'm not in the bathroom as long as I was. I take both types. I'm on colozal now, I needed it for the inflammation I was having. I will stick with the clay, only good things are posted about it on the web.
 
I will keep you all posted if more improvement is had.
 
Linda
UC since '05, asacol,LDN, L-glutamin, flora balance, florastor, super bio curcumin,DHEA, 5-lox inhibitor (boswellia), astaxathin, Vit d3 (spray)

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/26/2012 9:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Seasons21,
as my symptoms before the clay, I had 10-12 or more trips to the bathroom. I did not take anything else (no meds, no other supplements). Only clay and diet.
Yes, both clays are checked for bacteria, arsenic, lead..
If you have more questions, just read the original post and discussions with other people: http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2392791
Here are some other links related to clay:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2413170/?tool=pmcentrez

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15709995
http://www.californiaearthminerals.com/science/ion-min-research.php
http://www.californiaearthminerals.com/science/ion-min-research.php?15
http://www.californiaearthminerals.com/science/ion-min-research.php?10
Since I have answered the question about my health prior to the clay, I will just copy a part of what I have said: "Many times I would go to the bathroom with just blood and a lot of gas coming out of me, without actual stool. Sorry for the detail! And at night I could not sleep for more than 3hours at the time, because every time I had to turn from one side to another I started to have cramps and had to get up and run to the bathroom. I had a lot of pain in low abdominal area and low back, so I kept putting a heating pad on the belly. I was constantly cold and very tired. I have 2 small dogs, so when I would take them out (no fenced yard), I had to sit down or at least to kneel down, because I could not stand up for more than a few minutes or I was in pain. Right before the clay, I ended up eating only soups and unsweetened apple sauce, because it seems to me the only two thing that I could tolerate more or less. I have 3 bathrooms in my house and many times I barely made it, because my intestines literally would go into the spasms.
I am sure it sounds very familiar to you."

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/26/2012 4:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Terearemiracles,
I was thinking about your idea taking enemas with the clay. Firstly, I was not sure if it is a good idea, but then I remembered that clay was successfully used on the open wounds and severe burns. So why is it so crazy to use the clay enema for inflamed and bleeding colon to soothe the pain and inflammation? Just be careful. I would use either the distilled water or filtered and boiled water, let it cool to the nice and warm temperature and put a little clay, starting with a small dose. I would use the Pascalite clay, probably 1/4tsp for 8-10oz of warm water, let it settle first. I would try to hold it maybe 20-30min or so, if you can and see how you feel. Maybe for the 3d enema, I would put a little more clay, like 1/3tsp for 8-10oz of warm water.
Just curious, does the clay enema relieve the pain? Is it soothing for the colon? Please, share with me.
You know, I probably would try it too, just for me drinking the clay water worked so fast, I did not even considered it.
I really would like to know how it will work for you. How is your other problem that we talked about, is it any better?
Please let me posted.

therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/27/2012 8:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi !
 
It's been my second night of clay enemas and I used a lot last night. I just empty my rowasa bottle and filled only half way with water and squeezed a ton of clay in it. It doesn't bother me. I can say in the morning I go to the bathroom about 2 times, diareeah, water, stool, some blood and then I don't go anymore. I use to be back and forth in the bathroom for two hours. I do think something positive is changing, what it is, I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's getting rid of yeast?
 
I'm going to stick with it and let you know what how it is on Monday!
 
Thanks for posting on the clay, I like the clay a lot!!!
UC since '05, asacol,LDN, L-glutamin, flora balance, florastor, super bio curcumin,DHEA, 5-lox inhibitor (boswellia), astaxathin, Vit d3 (spray)

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/27/2012 8:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Therearemiracles,
I am glad to hear from you. The clay possibly pulling out some yeast, bad bacteria and some undigested food too, which is the food for yeast and cause of fermentation. Basically clay is "cleaning out the house" and after the cleaning, healing will begin.
My best wishes to you!

beatUC
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   Posted 4/27/2012 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   
I spoke to some people locally about this and they seem to think the clay is best taken mixed with water, just drink it down,
Supposedly, your whole GI system benefits by the clay and there have been reports of the pills not dissolving.
I am just starting this treatment, will update as I go along.
Thanks all for the info on this.
Imuran
Asacol
prednisone as needed

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/27/2012 2:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi BeatUC,
I completely agree with this. I personally did a little experiment with one of the tablet they sent me as a sample with my 4lb of the Terramin powder. I put a tablet of Terramin in some water and let it sit there, it did not dissolve in
20 min., so I took a wood spoon and mashed it some and stirred a little, just after that it turned into the powder. Of course, it will work a little differently with the stomach acid.
I need also to say that I actually took 1 or 2 tablets of the Terramin clay when I had some pain in my intestines. It worked and I did not have any problems taking a tablet, instead of powder in water, so for people, who do not want to drink the clay water (because of the taste or texture) it is still a good option. Between tablets or capsules, I would choose the capsules. Capsules are basically just clay powder in a capsule, but tablet was hard pressed with a little fine wood powder, mixed in it to help to hold it's shape.
My personal recommendation - choose the powder, it works faster and it will work on all the GI system, starting from the mouth.

contented1
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   Posted 4/28/2012 9:26 AM (GMT -6)   
I took my first dose of terramin clay this morning. No noticible effects after about 3 hours but I wouldnt really expect much at this point. I had well over 20 bm yesterday so I will keep updated on progress or changes.

beatUC
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   Posted 4/28/2012 10:22 AM (GMT -6)   
24 hours taking the clay -things have only gotten worse. Bleeding and pain have escalated.
I will give this another 24-48 hours then it's time for large dose of prednisone.
Very disappointing!
Imuran
Asacol
prednisone as needed

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/28/2012 10:50 AM (GMT -6)   
BeatUC,
which clay do you take and how much? Did you let it settle down first for 15 min.?

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/28/2012 11:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I just want to tell everybody that the clay, and I am talking only about Terramin and Pascalite, is NOT A QUICK FIX. If you really expect to see immediate results, clay treatment is not for you. Healing takes time and your specific result will depend on a few factors: your diet, how long you are in the flare up, how much of your colon is effected by UC and definitely your medications with their multiple side effects, especially immunosuppressants.
Like I have said before, I followed a very strict diet, I do not have any other health issues, I do not take any medications or other supplements. Also, there is a specific way you need to take it, especially when you are starting on it and you have any IBD. Read my original post: http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2392791

From my experience and many others', Terramin and Pascalite do not cause the pain, they actually relieve it.

beatUC
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   Posted 4/28/2012 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   
"I took it (1tsp in a glass of water 3 times per day on the empty stomach) for 4 days and had a dramatic improvement just in 4 days."
Yes I took it the same way, I don't have the luxury of waiting much longer. If it really can work in 4 days, It doesn't seem to work on me, So far at least.
I am in such agony, I think I will be hospitalized within 4 days if things don't turn around.
This is one of those flares where I feel like someone is slowly pulling my intestines out -I feel almost suicidal.
Imuran
Asacol
prednisone as needed

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/28/2012 12:00 PM (GMT -6)   
BeatUC,
are you taking Terramin? What do you eat?
The main thing is if you still taking Imuran, you might have a bacterial infection, like C diff. or other kind and that what causes you pain and other suffering.
I am very sorry that you are feeling so badly.
This is what I would do. This is only a suggestion. I would not eat anything else today, drink only warm herbal tea (chamomile, peppermint..) and bullion (chicken or vegetable). I would keep drinking the Terramin clay water (not the heavier part on the bottom) 1/3 glass at the time, in fact I would add another glass of clay. Just drink a few sips or 1/3 glass at the time, do not have to drink a whole glass right away. When you are that inflamed, food is not your friend. Do only the liquids till you feel better.
Again I am only talking about Terramin or Pascalite.
I really think you have a bacterial infection, especially if you have any fever. Between the Imuran and Prednisone there is a very high chance of that.

lookforcure
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   Posted 4/28/2012 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
BeatUC,
if you bought any other clay brand, STOP TAKING IT! Not all clays are the same.
I only suggest to take Terramin or Pascalite, they are non-swelling, healing clays.
If you bought sodium bentonite clay or calcium bentonite that is a swelling kind (pale green), stop taking it!

therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/29/2012 11:15 AM (GMT -6)   
My boyfriend was sick all day yesterday, just nausous and could barely eat all day long! He said "you've got to give me something" and I look for pepto, tums and didn't have any, then I said "ah ha, Clay!" so I made him a cup of terramin clay (a teaspoon in water) and I had him drink it all! Within hour he was eating a steak, potato salad, beans and ice cream! It really does help with digestive problems!
 
 My morings are not as painful and I don't go to the bathroom as much!  I have terrible gas though, stuck in my intestines and the only thing that helps is laying day and pressing on my gut and laying on my left side and then the nasty liquid stuff will pass with the gas.
 
This seems to have gotten worse when I started Colazol, but I need to take my UC meds, I have too much inflammation not to be on something.
 
I'm off LDN too, that was robbing me of my sleep and energy!  
 
I will keep you updated. But I thought I would share how this really HELPED my boyfriend!!!!
UC since '05, asacol,LDN, L-glutamin, flora balance, florastor, super bio curcumin,DHEA, 5-lox inhibitor (boswellia), astaxathin, Vit d3 (spray)

beatUC
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   Posted 4/29/2012 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
The clay I took was bentonite, which the Dr. Shultz people say works for Crohns/Colitis, in my experience, they are wrong! It also has charcoal and a few other things in it.
I have to try & find a local source for terramin clay, I'm not comfortable ordering it online.
Imuran
Asacol
prednisone as needed

therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/29/2012 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
beatuc I ordered on line and I have had no problems with either of the clays. I find them to be safe from the companies lookforcure suggested.

imagardener2
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   Posted 4/29/2012 11:38 AM (GMT -6)   
I have found this thread interesting even though I personally have a terrible history with almost all supplements. Lots of wasted money and some days of discomfort until stopping the supplement.

What I did was ask for a sample from clayremedies.com. They mention that samples are available so I went to their "contact" button and made the request. They sent (quickly) samples of 2 types of ingestible clay: Terramin and Redmond plus some tablets of Terramin. Now I'm waiting until the right time to try this out (not the pills however, just the clay powder in water).

It's kind of a catch-22. When I'm feeling fine (as I have been) who needs it? And when I'm feeling iffy I don't want anything to make me worse since I know how to get my gut back to normal after 2 years of diet modification tinkering.

I'll post if I try it and what my results are. If it's a good thing then I'll order some from the clayremedies people.
This seems like a very safe product used sparingly but with UC even some normal food is rejected by my gut so who knows.
Current diet=SCD+Paleo modified (some fruit+dairy OK now)
In remission April 2010 after 10 years of UC with no remission ever
Jan 2010 began SpecCarbDiet (modified to remove dairy, fruit & juices,)
Gluten-free=bleeding stopped in 3 days, 95% remission in 5.5 months on SCD
(9)Balsalazide+(2)Citrucel, mesalamine enema as needed (1) VSL#3 nightly
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