My update on using clay for UC -PART II

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Red_34
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   Posted 5/21/2012 10:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Part I:

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SHERRY
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Diagnosed Left sided UC in '92 - meds: 6mp, Colazal, Remicade and Bentyl*Unable to tolerate ALL mesalamines*, in '11 diagnosed with IBS, Diverticulosis, Fibromylagia..I also have Sacroiilitis, Scoliosis, Raynauds, OA, PA, Rosacea, Psoriasis, Dry Eye and allergies controlled by Zyrtec and Singular

lookforcure
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   Posted 5/21/2012 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Today is day #61 on both (Terramin and Pascalite) clay. For everybody who is taking either clay or thinking about it, I want to remind everybody that I take both. I started on the clay therapy with Terramin for 10 days (1tsp/3times per day), then I took only Pascalite for 7 days (1tsp/3 times per day). After that I combined them, because in my opinion each of them works differently in the body.

So, I take 1tsp of Terramin and 2 tsp of Pascalite clays per day. I drink a lot of water. I have basically a vegetarian diet, low in fat and sugar ( I use only raw local honey).

I do not take any medications or supplements.

Here is the link to my original post about the clays:

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2392791

lookforcure
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   Posted 5/21/2012 11:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Turnitaround12,
without knowing what you eat/drink or supplements you take, it is hard for me to tell why you have gas. If you do not eat or drink or take anything unusual, I would say you probably detoxing. It means that Pascalite is killing/pulling the bad bacteria and candida out of your body. You need to slowly increase the dose of Pascalite clay to 1 tsp/3times per day to speed up the process. Remember to keep a strict, sugar-free diet or you will have more gas and bloating, because you will "feed" the bad bacteria and candida.
As for Pyrophyllite clay, it is an acidic clay. I have read about it. I do not recommend it for people with UC. Terramin and Pascalite clays are alkaline, healing clays. Terrramin has 8.3PH. Pascalite has 9-10 PH.
Of course, you are free to take it, if you want to.

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   Posted 5/21/2012 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
lookforcure said...
Tap,
you need to be more careful with food/drink choices you make. Onion juice? It is an irritant to GI system, causes gas and thins the blood.
http://ibs.about.com/od/ibsfood/a/triggerfoods.htm
I understant you take onion juice to increase the level of testosterone but you still have colitis. Also, watermelon might not be a very good idea, it is packes with pesticides.

I'll have to look into the blood thinning (decreased Vitamin K) risk. Sadly, using testosterone is not without its own risks. I'm still hoping the onion juice is a short term activity which will hopefully restore the functionality of my testes.

My goal is to kick this disease's ass and that means I can eat what I want. I make almost everything that I eat from scratch so I know what is going down the hatch and as far as I'm concerned I should be able to eat any fruits and vegetables that I want. If I can't then I have not yet kicked this disease.

I make my own sauerkraut. You want to talk about gas! But the stuff is delicious and packed with friendly bacteria. My goal is still to add as many varieties of friendly bacteria to my digestive system as possible so that they overwhelm the remaining bad digestive system inhabitants.

I think you are mistaken about watermelon and pesticides. See www.organicconsumers.org/organic/pesticide-residues.cfm

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   Posted 5/22/2012 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
ok, well after trying to navigate through this maze of uc, starting meds, didnt work, changed meds, then i was normal for the first time in 2 years for 2 weeks. well as of yesterday all the symptoms came back, so i ordered pascalite clay as of right now !!
thank you for your posts lookforcure,,. !

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   Posted 5/22/2012 8:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Lookforcure- thanks for posting so much detail on your clay protocols. I am having a wicked time fighting a flare right now, and am still not getting formed stooln(though no B) on high dose pred. In my case, virtually everyting- esp. in this flare- seems to make things worse.. For. Example, slippery elm set my gut on fire last week, and now even turmeric is making matters worse. Since Terramite is advertised as colon cleanser, I am scared ***tless (pun intended) that if try it, it will be like my experiences with slippery elm, or aloe, i.e. Worsen the flare. Do you know of anyone who reacts to pretty much anything but did ok on the clay? If I try it, obviously I will start with tiny quantities. I wish californiaearthminerals offered smaller packs than 1 lb.... But at least they offer a money back guaranteeifone returns the unused portion i.e. If I react adversely.

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   Posted 5/22/2012 10:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Probiotic,
I think you can get a sample of Terramin clay from: www.clayremedies.com
They will send you the powder and the tablets. The tablets you will need to put in the warm water and crush them with a wood spoon well and drink it after that, just like powder.
Pascalite company has samples too. So my advise is get the samples from both companies. (www.pascalite.com) You will have to call them. They are in Wyoming.
In my experience, Pascalite clay is more soothing and has a strong pain relieving/anti-inflammatory/anti-bacterial qualities.
Do not worry about the detox part, it does not work like a laxative. It is more like a very special mineral supplement that alkalizing your body and sticking to the bad bacteria and candida, and gently taking it out of your body. Also soothing GI system and relieving the pain and cramps.
Of course because of Prednisone I can not tell you exactly how you will react to the clay. Steroids (and immunosuppresants) change the body's ability to heal. Also, I would stop any supplements you take right now. Let your body to calm down. The more you dump in it the worse it is at this point. This is just my opinion from a personal experience. Look at your diet too. Eat a lot of soups and very well cooked veggies with rice.
You can try 1/2tsp of Terramin 2-3 times per day and see how you feel. Pascalite you can start with 1/4tsp 2-3 times per day. Remember to take the first dose on the empty stomach, wait 1 hour and have a gentle breakfast, like oatmeal without sugar or dairy milk (sugar free Almond milk is OK). Also, wait 2 hours after taking the clays and take your medications or the clay will take it out of your body.
The simple test you can do just to see how either clay works is this: when you are in pain, mix 1/2tsp of the clay in 4-6oz of water (use only plastic or wood spoon, NO METAL!), let the clay settle down for
15 min and drink 1/3 or 1/2 of the mixture. Wait 20-25 min and see how you feel. The pain and cramps should diminish or completely disappear.
One more thing. For the first 3-4 days on the clay, drink only the"clay water", not the heavier part of the clay on the bottom of the glass. It means that you need to put the clay in a glass of water, stir well with a plastic/wood spoon, let it settle down for 15-20 min and drink it after that. After 3-4 days drink all of the clay mixture.
The first dose ( either 1/2tsp or 1/4tsp or 1tsp in 8oz of water) should always be taken on the empty stomach. The 2d and 3d dose you can sip on little by little throughout the day: a little before lunch, a little after, a little after BM if you have pain/cramps, a little before dinner, a little after and at least 1/2 glass before bed.
DRINK A LOT OF PLAIN WATER during the day. If I did not truly believe in these 2 clays I would not stay in this forum for as long as I have. They gave me my life back!
I hope I explained how to take the clays well enough. Sorry for my English, it is my 2d language.

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   Posted 5/22/2012 10:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, lookforcure, I appreciate your repeating a lot of detail, and dont worry about the English. i truly wish I hadnt had to use the high dose steroids but alas its the only way to buy time right now. I had a fairly decent 10 mo. remission while only on LDn- maybe it was the LDN or maybe it was just luck- but it looks like I will at least try the clay too and ask for the samples- thanks again.

Post Edited (Probiotic) : 5/22/2012 9:25:34 PM (GMT-6)


lookforcure
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   Posted 5/22/2012 10:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Viviane,
I am sorry you are sick again. I understand how you feel, I was there too many times before.
I hope and believe Pascalite will help you.
Please read my original post about how to take it. You can start slowly with 1/2 tsp or even 1/4 tsp in 8 oz of water, 3 times per day. Remember NO METAL spoons in the clay. Only plastic/wood. Again, drink only the "clay water" for the first 3 days and then all of it, including the heavier particles on the bottom. The "clay water" for the first 3 day in order your body has time to "get used" to the clay slowly.
If you feel that your body is taking the clay well, slowly increase the dose to 1teaspoon of Pascalite in a glass of water/ 3 times per day. This is the therapeutic dose. On the bottle it is written 1/4tsp is a dose. This is the dose just for regular people without a serious health issues. I have read a lot of testimonials about Pascalite. It is absolutely safe to take 3 teaspoons of Pascalite per day. There are a lot of people who take Pascalite clay for more than 20 years.
Good luck to you!
Let me know how Pascalite works for you.
P.S. My mother in Russia in love with Pascalite too. I have sent her both Terramin and Pascalite clay.

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   Posted 7/10/2012 6:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi,
 
Clay has made a HUGE difference in my life.  For about the last six months or so I have been taking 2 tbsp of Luvos Mineral Earth, it's a clay from Germany.  For the most part I had normal bms.  I just switched to Terramin due to the high cost of Luvos and am experiencing some diarrhea again.  Is the therapeutic dosage 3 tsp a day for everyone? 
 
Thanks!

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   Posted 7/10/2012 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Imagine4dreams,
the dose of Terramin clay is different for everybody. Some people might need to take 2tablespoons per day in divided doses for awhile till you get the result you are looking for and then after you stable in your symptoms you can taper the dose off slowly.
In the beginning I took 3 teaspoons of Terramin clay for about 10 days.
Then I added Pascalite to my program and took 3 teaspoons of Terramin and Pascalite per day for 3 months (1 Terramin and 2 Pascalite or 2 Terramin and 1 Pascalite), but now I just Take 1 rounded teaspoon of either clay per day and I still feel fine.
Try to experiment with the clay and find the dose that works for you. If after 2 weeks you do not get the result with Terramin (even at 2-3 tablespoons dose per day) add Pascalite clay to your regimen. For me the best combination was 1 teaspoon of Terramin and 2 teaspoons of Pascalite per day gave me the best result.
I have not tried Luvos Mineral Earth clay but I have read that is basically montmorillonite clay, which is the same kind as Terramin clay is. If you were taking 2tablspoons of Luvos clay to get the result you probably need to take the same amount of Terramin clay too.
It is safe to take 2 or even 3 tablespoon of Terramin clay per day.
If you have any questions about Terramin clay you can call or e-mail them to www.californiaearthminerals.com/.

sarav84
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   Posted 6/10/2013 4:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Dear lookforcure,

I'm new to this forum and I've been diagnosed with UC(left sided) on Oct'12. I was put on Prednisolone(24mg), Balsalazide 2250mg for 3months. It worked very well but as soon as Prednisolone was stopped after 3months the symptoms apparently returned.
And I had a second attack on 10-May-2013. The sigmoid(from 15cm to 30cm) was inflamed.

I'm back to the steroids - Prednisolone 40mg + Pentasa(Mesalamine granules) 2000mg.

I'm amazed to see your post on the clay and I'm really hopeful to hear some positive words from you.
I would really like to try the Terramin and Pascalite. But have got couple of questions - if you could clarify that will be really really great.

Do the clay interact with Prednisolone and Pentasa?
Does the clay help in maintaining remission? Provided on strict vegan diet - white rice, boiled veg, fruits.
Do you take daily irrespective of flare? and I think you started trying clay in the month of Mar'12 ? It has been a year+ - are you taking it daily and does it help in maintaining remission for you?
I currently live in Netherlands, can I get the Terramin and Pascalite shipped to Netherlands? I mean is it available for global shipping?

Your reply would really really be helpful for me to get the flare under control as it is really affecting my professional and personal life.

Thanks in advance.

Saravanan

lookforcure
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   Posted 6/10/2013 10:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello Sarav84,
first of all I want say how sorry I am you are sick. Do not give up the hope of getting well. It has been 14+ months symptom-free for me. No drugs, no diet (except no junk food, no sweets, no Coca-Cola or Pepsi, no meat, but I eat fish, eggs, homemade whole wheat bread, some cheese..). No any probiotics, just some basic vitamins like vitamin C (3,000mg/per day), multi-minerals, vitamin B complex and some cod liver oil for my eyes (I had Lasik, so I need Omega3 and vitamin A)
I do take 1/2 teaspoon of Pascalite clay per day as my maintenance that I sip on during the day.
I had ulcerative colitis, left sided-60cm.
For me clay not just eased up my symptoms like horrible pain, spasms, diarrhea (12+ times per day), weakness... but it still keep me symptoms free for 14 months without any other drugs or supplements.
I am not sure if you can get Pascalite shipped to your country. Try to call them or send e-mail:
It might be very expensive shipping.
 
Here is my advice. Since you are in  Netherlands you should be able to buy probiotic Mutaflor. A few years ago before I found clay, I did take this probiotic with a good result. It is German probiotic. Please, read about it and hoe it works. I have tried at least 10 different probiotics and can tell you this is the only one that put me in remission for about 12 months without any drugs , but I did follow a strict diet. While I was on Mutaflor I basically was symptom free and could work. As soon as I stopped after about 8 months, within 4-5 weeks the symptoms of colitis slowly began to return, so I started back on Mutaflor and symptoms went away. So, as you see it might not be a cure but it is much better than any Prednisolone with horrible side effects.
Mutaflor was available In the USA about 2 years ago, it is still available in Canada and in many countries in Europe. In Germany I believe it is available in any pharmacy.
 
Since you take medications, you need to wait at least 1-2 hours after taking them and then take clay or take the clay and wait 1-2 hours and then take drugs. Clay will neutralize the drugs if you taking  together.
I just want to warn you, the longer you are on any steroid or any immunosuppressant drugs, the harder it will be to heal colitis. They effect the body's ability to heal.
Clay on the other hand, pull the toxins, bacteria, yeast out of the body and balances the PH of the digestive tract and create a healing environment, so the body can heal itself.
 
Also, fresh carrot-celery juice is very soothing, healing and provides a lot of nutrients that are needed for healing.
 
In you place I would try French Green clay-ARGILETZ. (http://www.argiletz.com/en/taxonomy/term/1)
It should be much easier for you to get it.
A few months ago I bought French Green clay from www.frenchgreenclayforall.com, which is I believe is Argiletz. It is a very good clay. So, I would try it first and see how you react to it, it might be the answer for you. This clay is well known in Europe and was used extensively for digestive disorders, including colitis.
So, get Mutaflor first and find Argiletz green clay. Give about 1 hour between the clay and Mutaflor.
 
P.S.
I have checked a few sites for Terramin clay, the only one that might ship internationally is: http://www.clayremedies.com/
Remember to get loose clay powder and not the tablets/capsules. People with colitis have a hard time digesting and breaking things down.
As for Pascalite I am not sure if they ship internationally, they probably could do it for you. Try to send then e-mail. The shipping will be expansive.
My best wishes to you.
Let me know if I can help you in any way.
Do not give up!
 
 

sarav84
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   Posted 6/13/2013 4:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Dear Lookforcure,

Thank you very much for your response.
Your words as soothing as papaya juice. Because I'm battling with this staying all alone (Parents are abroad) while friends busy with their own work.

I checked with the clayremedies.com customer care for Terramin clay powder(2lb). Seems like a costly option as the shipping charge alone comes $59. And the product cost was $36.50. They also have a criteria of minimum purchase should be of $50 and above for international shipping.

It seems I will have to put Terramin as a second option. And I would like to try ARGILETZ.

Which one would you suggest in Argiletz? Ultra-ventilated montmorillonite green clay ?
http://www.argiletz.com/en/store/ultra-ventilated-montmorillonite-green-clay

I have also found how to use it in the below site -
http://www.claydetoxcourses.co.uk/public-resource-example

I was just looking at the mutaflor website, they don't have an option to order online. I'm not sure how to obtain it :( Do you have any suggestion how to get it?

Have a nice day.

Cheers,
Saravanan

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   Posted 6/13/2013 2:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Sarav84,
Argiletz Ultra-ventilated montmorillonite green clay is the one to take.
Start with 1/2 teaspoon in 1 glass of water 4-5 times doses during a day(no metal spoons, only plastic).
You will need to drink it right when you get up, at least 1/2 glass, wait 30-40 min before eating. Then drink 1/2 glass after each meal and every time you are in pain or after running to the bathroom. You do not have to drink a full glass each time, just 1/4-1/3 of the glass of the clay mixture. And drink at least 1/2 glass before bed. Also, you have to drink a plain water in addition to the clay mixture. If in 1 week you do not notice improvement in pain and amount of the bathroom visits increase the dose of the clay to 1 teaspoon in 1 glass of water, 5 glasses (5 teaspoons per day).
Keep this dose for 3 weeks and see how you feel.
As for Mutaflor, try to send e-mail to the company and ask where you can buy it in your country. Also, check your local pharmacy and health food stores. Try to do a search on-line Mutaflor in Netherlands or just type on Google- Mutaflor Germany.
 In Germany majority pharmacy sell Mutaflor over the counter. Remember, it should be refrigerated.
Here the contact information for the company who sells Mutaflor in Canada, maybe try to contact them and ask them where you can find Mutaflor in your country or how you can order it from Germany.

You may contact Medical Futures Inc.  In the following ways:

By the way, I highly recommend you not to eat wheat, sugar, anything with yeast, no ice cream or milk, no tomatoes, any citrus fruits, any berries, do not eat raw peppers (only roasted and skin peeled), no eggplants (seeds in them irritating), no cabbage or broccoli. No vinegar or anything with it. No beans, peas or lentils.
Everything elce should be peeled and cooked.
Try sunflower seed butter(no sugar) or almond butter and cooked kale or spinach. Eat some every day. Some people had a very good result with consuming these foods every day. They help to heal the colon.
Also, well cooked oatmeal in the morning without any sugar is very soothing for the digestive system. WhenI was the sickest this is the only thing that did not sent me to the bathroom imidietly and I hate the oats, but I did eat them a lot.
Try to eat 1 soft boiled egg and see if you can tolerate them. If you can eat 1-2 per day. Soft boiled eggs (the yolk is soft and a little runny) is the easiest to digest. Eggs in this form was the only aminal protein I could digest.
Avacadoes are very good. If you can eat cucumbers without problems, peel them. You might get gas. Radishes are very hard to digest. Eat some baked apples, applesause without sugar added, peeled peaches, nectarines, apricots, papay or any juices with them that do not have sugar added. Eat a lot of cooked carrots and zucchinies, baby bock choy, cooked kale and spinach with every meal. Try to cook with a small amount of coconut oil, it is soothing for digestive system.
Try some green juices and sprouts. Avoid raw salads until you get better.
My best wishes to you.
Eat small meals often - 6 times per day.

Post Edited (lookforcure) : 6/13/2013 1:23:09 PM (GMT-6)


sarav84
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   Posted 6/14/2013 10:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Dear Lookforcure,

Thanks again for your words and great suggestion on the diet.

Below is the diet I'm currently on
In the morning I start fruits - Banana and Papaya.
Afternoon - white rice with red lentils + Avacado
Evening - White rice flakes with biological yogurt(natural and cultured)

I will try to include your suggestions. Thank you very much for that.

Few things I would like to ask if you don't mind -

> When you had active disease did you feel rumbling noises in the left side and in the rectum - a buzzing or a kind of mobile phone vibrating feeling?
> Does your gut produce such noises even in remission?

Because my gut produced such noises and in the rectum, the specialist said its IBS when I reported(after 4 months of UC confirmation) Mucus in the stool but no blood. Huhh heck!!!
But after a month I saw blood. I screamed.

So my learning is
incomplete evacuation and rumbling/buzzing noise are the first sign,
then mucus(small white floating particles in the toilet bowl after flushing)
then thick mucus in the stool - towards the advanced stage
then blood in the stool - mid advanced
then bloody diarrhea - advanced/severe

As a starter I just thought of getting some experience on learning from you as you have battled with this since a long time with lots of self belief, hope and confidence. Because I wanted to spot this disease and start the treatment at the very beginning stage itself.

Ok anyways, I have ordered Argiletz Ultra-ventilated montmorillonite green clay. I'll give a start once I receive it.

I managed to find the email id of the Mutaflor international pharmacy in Germany -
MUC@metropolitan-pharmacy.de

and checked with them, they are ok to ship.

But I'm just bit scared to try this as few people in the healingwell reported that Mutaflor made their symptoms worst. But I think I will have to trust Mutaflor and give it a try.

I have been taking VSL#3 every night after food but it doesn't seem to work. When I was diagnosed in Oct'12 I was initially given VSL#3 and it didn't work. Then I was given Actigut caps(Probiotic) in India that was like a gem, may be I could give it a try on Actigut but it doesn't ensure the remission like Mutaflor.
I have asked parents to courrier me the Actigut capsules.

I will first try with Argiletz clay and Actigut. Then after stopping Prednisolone I will switch to Mutaflor and clay.
And see how it goes.

Thanks again for your response. If you could share your learning that would be great.

Thanks,
Saravanan

lookforcure
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   Posted 6/14/2013 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Saravanan,
first of all about VSL3, it never helped me and for the 1st 2 weeks it actually made my symptoms worse.
There is a very strong science and extensive research behind Mutaflor. Do not pay any attention to the other people saying about Mutaflor. Very few tried it and even less stick with anything long enough to know if it actually works. Mutaflor is very different from any other probiotic on the market. First of all it has good E-Coli bacteria that is very strong, another thing it has a special coating that ensures the delivery to the colon. VSL3 does not have it as well as majority probiotics and the rest that have that coating do not have a good E-Coli in it. Just read the research. It works as well or better than any steroid drugs for colitis. That is why the pharmaceutical companies fought to stop the selling of Mutaflor in the USA...Too much of a competition to their drugs.
 
You have noises in you gut because you have a lot of fermentation. I would stop bananas for a while. Maybe lentils too.
It looks like you do not eat enough. Eat 5-6 times per day smaller meals.
I had a lot of mucus in stool too together with blood. 
I do not have bloating, gas or rumbling noises in my gut now, but I did have it when I was sick all the time.
 
Try Actigut probiotic since you have ordered it. Who knows it might work.
I have never heard of it but it does not mean anything. To be effective, it needs to have the special coating to survive the  stomach acid and make it to the colon.
Try to pay attention how you feel after each meal, what makes you feel better what causes gas and bloating or even send you straight to the bathroom with crams and adjust your diet accordingly.
Eat soups with a lots of vegetables/greens: potatoes, carrots, zucchinis, spinach, kale, garlic, bock choy, peppers, parsley, some onions... and rice or barley or buckwheat or quinoa.
Make vegetable stew...Have some variety foods... 
I think your plan of start with Argiletz clay and Actigut is very good. Just remember to wait 1-2 hours in between clay and probiotic. Do not take them together because clay might disturb the probiotic and decrease its effectiveness. Even though clay does not kill good bacteria, just the bad one, it is better to wait 1 hour just in case.
Let me know when you start on the clay and how you feel.
Remember, clay is not a drug. It can not hurt you like medications and it does not have side effects. If after taking clay you feel a little nauseous, it is because clay is neutralizing bacteria and yeast and you are feeling the die off effect. Just slow down a bit, drink more plain water, do not eat anything sweet (including fruits) and decrease the clay dose a little or try to increase the clay dose to go through the die off faster. It is up to you. Just do not stop.
Also, taking more probiotics will help with this.
Basically what you will do is killing the bad guys and repopulate your gut with the good ones.
You just need to understand this process and stick with it. It could get worse for a few day before it will get better. I did not have the bad reaction but some people do go through it. I was on heavy duty probiotics for a few years before clay, it might be the reason I did not go through a strong die off reaction.
Stick with the plan and you will get better. If Argiletz will not help at all within 1 month (after increasing the dose) switch to Pascalite clay or find another clay that is available in your country for internal use.
My best wishes to you!
 
 

sarav84
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   Posted 6/24/2013 8:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello Lookforcure,

Got the Argelitz clay today.

Going to start from tomorrow morning.

Current symptoms and medication -

1.) I'm currently on Prednisolone 20mg, mesalamine 2g but still sore rectum, rectal pain, little blood traces on the toilet tissue and rumbling noises in the rectum.

2.) Using Actigut - probiotics(every night) since 20th of June'13

Listing down how I'm going to do take the clay -

1.) I'll use 3g of clay powder in 150ml of plain filtered water, stir it with wooden spoon and leave it overnight and consume the water(leaving the sediment deposits bottom) next morning in empty stomach?

2.) Don't eat anything for the next one hour.

3.) After an hour or later - breakfast

3.a.) I'll use 3g of clay powder in 150ml of plain filtered water, stir it with wooden spoon and leave it for the day to consume in the night.

4.) Prednisolone(just to complete the course) and mesalamine

6.) Lunch

7.) One hour before dinner - consume the clay water

8.) After an hour or later - dinner

Steps 1 to 8 continue for 3 weeks and see the results.

Few things I would like to know -
The Argelitz site doesn't state that the ultra-ventilated-montmorillonite-green-clay can be used internal? It says about external use. Something do I need to worried about?
Can I eat fruits like Papaya, Apricot? as somewhere I read that avoid eating sweet fruits while on clay.
Hope the clay water intake doesn't react with Prednisolon and make me constipated

Looking forward to hear from you :)

Cheers,
Saravanan

Post Edited (sarav84) : 6/24/2013 7:46:18 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 6/24/2013 10:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello Sarav84,
your plan is a good way to start. try it and see how it works for you.
I have not used the clay with any drugs, so I do not know how the clay and prednisolone will interact. Just remember not to take any drugs together with the clay, wait 2 hours in between.
Since you are concern about constipation, it means your symptoms are not very severe. It is good. It means you should be able to get faster results from the clay.
Do you feel any differently since you started on the probiotic? Less bloating, better digestion?
I think 1 time per day of the probiotic is not enough, I would take it 2 times per day: after breakfast and after dinner (or right before, if it is said on the label).
As for eating peaches, nectarines, apricots, papaya, since you still have bloating I would wait for 2-3 weeks, let the clay and probiotics work and then slowly, 1 peeled fruit every other day, introduce only those fruits to your diet and let your body learn to digest fruit sugar again. Then eat 1 fruit every day, then 2 per day..
Do not worry that it is not said on the Argiletz site for internal use.
Here is some site that specifically saying that Argiletz approved for use as food and extensively tested:
I have French Green Illite clay from this site:
The clay I have is actually stronger than Pascalite in relieving pain and inflammation.
As for constipation, if you will start getting it, just try to taper off prednisolone a little faster, increase probiotic intake and see if it gets better. If it will not get better after 7-10 days, decrease the clay dose a little, but still take it a few times per day.
Make sure you take some clay before bed, so it has some time to work overnight in healing your colon.
Best wishes!
Keep in touch.
 

Post Edited (lookforcure) : 6/24/2013 10:58:36 AM (GMT-6)


imagardener2
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   Posted 6/24/2013 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know that one can say that constipation means symptoms are not severe. Some people have such severe constipation that it can cause megacolon. It is something to beware of.
In my opinion extreme constipation can be as damaging as extreme D and bleeding.

That said, I bought some green clay a week ago because it popped up in front of me at the health food store. Does anyone buy herbs by volume from Frontier glass bins at health food stores? That's where I found it and impulsively bought it, haven't used it yet.

I've got red clay and green clay now and have used the red clay in the past. Not sure it ever did much for me but as far as I could tell there was no harm. I forgot to let the clay settle and actually drank watery solution, no harm, just a little gritty lol.
Current diet=modified Paleo (sm amts of swiss cheese and some fruit OK)
In remission April 2010 after 10 years of UC with no remission ever
gluten-free (bleeding stopped) and dairy-free (less gas) started remission path+food diary
current meds=(9)Balsalazide+(2)Citrucel,(1) VSL#3 nightly
Rx meds have never worked for me except for mesalamine enema

lookforcure
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   Posted 6/24/2013 11:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Imagardener2,
megacolon is very serious. Toxic megacolon is rare and occurs in less than 5% of cases of severe IBD. Toxic megacolon can be spontaneous in people with particularly severe IBD. In some cases, it can result from the overuse of certain drugs, including narcotics; drugs used for pain relief, anticholinergics; drugs used for depression, anxiety and nervousness; and antidiarrheals, such as loperamide.
I was talking specifically about Sarav84 ulcerative colitis symptoms. Typically when colitis is at the stage of more constipation than diarrhea,it means the inflammation is much less severe.
I use the clays(Pasclalite and French Green Illite clay) right after mixing the clay with water, just mix and drink, without letting it sit. But these clays are non-swelling clays, if the clays that you have are swelling clays (they get thicker after sitting for some time when mixed with water), you do need to pre-hydrate these clay. It means mixing the clay with water and let it swell for 2-7 hours, then take some of this mixture and mix with more water and then drink it.
By the way, good quality clays actually helps to detoxify the body and pull the toxins, bacteria, parasites out of the body. Which means it is a natural and safe way to prevent megacolon in people with colitis.
People who actually get megacolon, usually have severe ulcerative colitis for a long time and take very strong drugs like steroids and immunosuppressant's....

sarav84
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   Posted 6/24/2013 12:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Lookforcure,

Thanks again for your response.

After seeing your response to Imagardener2, I would like to know do I need to take the Argelitz clay water as soon as I mix or after 15 to 20 mins or leave it for 6 to 7 hrs?

Cheers,
Saravanan

lookforcure
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   Posted 6/24/2013 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Sarav84,
Since Argiletz is Illite clay (or marine clay), it is not a swelling type of clay, it is not really necessary to leave it over night to hydrate.
Please, read this information about French Green Illite clay:
http://www.frenchclayforall.com/info.html
Remember, it is not a drug, not a poison and you can not really get hurt by it.

For the first 5-7 days it is a good idea to mix the clay with water, let the heavier particles to settle on the bottom of the glass for about 20 min. and then drink it. If you do not drink it all, it is OK. Just drink the "clay water" from the top, and when you get close to the thicker part, just add a little more water, stir it, let it settle down a bit (10 min) and drink the rest of it, minus the very heavy part on the bottom.
BUT! After 5-7 days you will need to drink ALL of the clay mixture, even the thick part of it, by adding a little more water and drink it ALL.
The first few days you drink the lighter "clay water" in order for your body to adjust to the clay, after that the actual treatment will start.

cannynancy
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   Posted 7/4/2013 7:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Can these clays help someone with Crohn's or is it just for UC. I am in a flare, trying to avoid prednisone.
Female Crohn's diagnosed 1999 on Asacol, in remission til 2011, recurrent flares since
Meds: Apriso, hyosciamine as needed, LDN
Supplements: l'glutamine, multi vit, calcium citrate, vit. d, psyllum capsules,florastor, culturelle
Have been on prednisone twice since 2011

deltaforce
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   Posted 7/5/2013 1:35 PM (GMT -6)   
@lookforcure,

The information that you are providing is great. I have been reading it since morning but now by the time, I reached to the third section, I lost which one I should buy Terramin or Pascalite. How they differ from each other and which one is best to start with? Succinct info is enough.

Few websites are mentioned over and over, clayremedies and CA earth Minerals. Is there any other one?

How do these clay differ from Betonite (Calcium form)?

I am sure these were answered somewhere in those threads but these are so long that its difficult to go through them again.

To the mods - Are you guys interested in making a sticky so that the information is not repeated over and over?


Now to the clay users in general,
If clay has worked, how many of you have tried, activated charcoal or chlorella?
I use psyllium seed powder and activated charcoal (from Bulk Herb Store, looking for alternatives). 2 tsp each for me and 1tsp each for DS (age 5, autism). We do not have any complaints. I am interested in doing rotation of stuff. So was considering Bentonite and came across these threads. Chlorella (vulgaris) is also the one I am considering.
I have also tried Neprorella in the past, a different strain of Chlorella but the taste and esp. the smell was funky so I am taking my sweet time for Chlorella vulgaris.
These are internal detox agents though. I do not see clay anything different than it though.
Diagnosed March 2007 with left sided UC.
Currently on daily dose of,
Sulfasalazine 1.5gm, Imuran, 200mg, Vit. B12, 1mg, Multivitamin, 1 tablet, Fish oil 2400mg , Vit D 2000 IU, Benebiotics 2caps, Folic acid 1mg

Verapamil 320mg for migraine, Migraine episode now at least 4X a month,
Nabumetone 750mg as an abortive, so far so good with GI side effects.
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