Tree Bark "Cured" Crohn's Disease

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baleno25
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   Posted 11/1/2012 7:39 PM (GMT -6)   
See article below. This is for real? Time to try slipper elm powder!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2226171/Eating-tree-bark-cured-Crohns-disease-says-grandmother.html

Somedude
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   Posted 11/1/2012 7:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Let's say this is a true cure, let's assume for a second. If indeed it is and she sells it to a pharmaceutical giant forget about the cure. It's going to get hidden away. Big Pharma doesn't want cures. Bad for business.
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IamCurious
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   Posted 11/1/2012 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
She didn't mention which trees supplied her bark. Aspirin was derived from willow, and pycnogenol is derived from the French maritime pine bark.
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   Posted 11/1/2012 7:57 PM (GMT -6)   
BabeintheWoods said...
She didn't mention which trees supplied her bark. Aspirin was derived from willow, and pycnogenol is derived from the French maritime pine bark.


Well of course she didn't. She wants to sell the formula to the pharma.

If it's the cure for IBD and I don't know about it, I'm going to crap myself. Maybe she found something..why not? sometimes, you have to believe, otherwise if you don't, what do you have...same old same old.
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garylouisville
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   Posted 11/1/2012 8:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Several things in the article don't even make sense. If she was eating her own trees to find the best ones then why did she start spending a bunch of money on herbs from alternative places if she had her very own recipe that she wants to sell herself?
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   Posted 11/1/2012 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
garylouisville said...
Several things in the article don't even make sense. If she was eating her own trees to find the best ones then why did she start spending a bunch of money on herbs from alternative places if she had her very own recipe that she wants to sell herself?


It's possible the article was mentioning what she was doing BEFORE she found the "cure"...

"Ms Barnes, who lives in Cardiff, apparently spends almost £1,000 a year on specialist barks from alternative medicine websites. She takes a dose of 120ml a day.
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or maybe she keeps taking various supplements. who knows.

This is pissing me off so much. I want to know the freaking formula. I don't care if it doesn't work. What do we have to lose. We can sit here for the next 50 years with a IBD disease or we can try different remedies like this one.

However, if it's is true stuff, it's going to go away quickly. arggggg.
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garylouisville
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   Posted 11/1/2012 9:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Somedude: You could always start eating trees yourself until you finally hit on the right ones. Took her 10 years. Maybe you can do it in 5.
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fruitgirl
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   Posted 11/1/2012 9:27 PM (GMT -6)   
It's not exactly a reliable source, IMO, when it comes to IBD treatment, so there's no need to get worked up over not knowing the details. I've read other newspaper articles saying that coconut macaroons cured IBD.
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Colonoscopy in Oct. 2011 showed no inflammation
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   Posted 11/1/2012 9:32 PM (GMT -6)   
garylouisville said...
Somedude: You could always start eating trees yourself until you finally hit on the right ones. Took her 10 years. Maybe you can do it in 5.


Ahhhh....the sarcastic comment. lol

I remember your story about your first auto immune disease where the doctors didn't believe there was a possible cure then you found that allergist that gave you those shots.

Sometimes, you have to take a leap of faith. Maybe this article is fake, but maybe it's true. You can't disprove nor can I prove it's true. Too bad we don't have the formula.
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   Posted 11/1/2012 9:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm sorry but I just had to giggle snort.....I can picture Somedude (tho I don't know what you look like) running around and gnawing on trees.
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Conquer UC
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   Posted 11/1/2012 10:03 PM (GMT -6)   
LOL @ Sherry's description.
Somedude why don't you try colostrum? try newzealand colostrum. Prayer helped me a great deal, and colostrum too (although i can't tell whether the acupuncture or colostrum but im fairly certain the colostrum helped).
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aguywithuc
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   Posted 11/1/2012 11:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I thought boswella or indian frankensense was tree bark.

quincy
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   Posted 11/2/2012 1:40 AM (GMT -6)   
They're salicylates....but not a cure.

Somedude...you balk at enemas but bite at bark. Hmmm.
*Heather* I give suggestions, do with them what you will.
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   Posted 11/2/2012 1:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Somedude...you balk at enemas but bite at bark. Hmmm.
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Anthonyv
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   Posted 11/2/2012 2:30 AM (GMT -6)   
i once got out of a flare using slippery elm, have been taking it for the last few years but have been fairly lazy with it lately.

by far the best treatment for ulcerative colitis is mesalazine enemas/suppositories

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   Posted 11/2/2012 6:48 AM (GMT -6)   
I am a strong believer in slippery elm bark powder, in addition to probiotics, and a whole bunch of other stuff too.
Rx meds didn't help me. But 4.5 mg LDN +Paleo diet +supplements=REMISSION.Protein shakes w/almond milk,Maca powder,L-Glutamine,D-Ribose,chia seeds.VSL#3,K2,VIt. D3,slippery elm bark powder.For more info,my protocol is the 11th post at this link: http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=1666318
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garylouisville
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   Posted 11/2/2012 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
I reread the article and I still think it doesn't make any sense. Something is not right. This lady was diagnosed with Crohns at age 14, suffered with it for 48 years, and then at 62 years old she decided to try eating tree bark. After ten years of "research" she finally perfected the tree bark recipe, it cured her Crohns, and she wants to sell the product. But what is the deal where it says she is spending a lot of money on tree bark herbs from alternative places? This article is dated November 2012 which is now and it talks about her buying these herbs now. The article would make more sense if it didn't mention she was buying herbs from alternative places or if it didn't mention she wanted to sell her own concoction and was cured through tree bark herbs she was buying. But, it says both. The article states that the doctor verifies that her Crohns disease has disappeared but he doesn't go on to say that there is no other reason for her success other than tree bark. How do we know what else was going on in her life? A lot of autoimmune diseases, especially in women, can sometimes be related to hormones. Maybe when she reached puberty at 14 her hormones caused her Crohns and as she reached menopause when she was older and her hormones changed again she began to heal and the Crohns eventually went away. How do we know she didn't have a hysterectomy in her older age and that caused her Crohns to go away? How do we know she didn't come down with cancer or diabetis or some other disease and the meds they put her on for that actually cured her Crohns?

I don't want to discredit the article completely because it may wind up being true. I have tried Slippery Elm myself due to a lot of evidence (from legitimate sources) that it can indeed help. Unfortunately, in me, Slippery Elm seemed to have an obvious benefit when I first started taking it but then about a week later the benefit disappeared into thin air. I have tried it two or three times and same thing each time. I don't understand the contradiction in the article and I would like to see more evidence that there was absolutely nothing else going on in this lady's life which could have caused her results and her tree bark got credit for something it did not deserve.
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   Posted 11/2/2012 11:07 AM (GMT -6)   
What a worthless article. Anecdotal to begin with and it doesn't even tell you what she's eating, just that she plans to try and make money off of it.

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   Posted 11/2/2012 11:53 AM (GMT -6)   
In a nutshell, she went into remission, she didn't cure herself, although, I don't know of beavers having IBD so maybe there's something to this LOL!

Or maybe the whole article is bunk and she's only looking to prey on the sick and make money off them...god knows this disease can make us desperate in many ways.
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   Posted 11/2/2012 11:56 AM (GMT -6)   
", I don't know of beavers having IBD so maybe there's something to this LOL!"

lololololol that was great.
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   Posted 11/2/2012 12:25 PM (GMT -6)   
She mentioned the first bark she tried was Hazel bark.

How is this a laughable article? Regardless of UC, a lot of doctors recommend bark powder and teas to aid in digestion, ulcers and the immune system. It's really not all that unnatural when you think about it. But I'd be skeptical only because I'm allergic to most everything outdoors.

A lot of us here already take powder or loose leaf form of Slipper Elm Bark ravenmoonlight.com/shop/images/slippery_elm_bark.jpg, Marshmallow Root img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a07/sk/hp/purpose-slippery-elm-bark-800x800.jpg, and Licorice.

I do admit though, the minute I read this I wanted to run outside and start pulling at bark and eating it. smilewinkgrin

The reasoning behind her 10 year timeframe to a cure could be that while the effectiveness of natural vs. drug may be the same, healing always takes longer with anything natural.

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   Posted 11/2/2012 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
And really, if she's still eating bark/taking supplements, she's just in remission because she's still treating it.

I mean, based on the article's definition of cure (no symptoms, no visible inflammation), I'm cured too. And hey, I'll tell you EXACTLY what I'm doing! For free! (But I won't buy your meds.)
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   Posted 11/2/2012 1:26 PM (GMT -6)   
stereofidelic89 said...
She mentioned the first bark she tried was Hazel bark.

How is this a laughable article? Regardless of UC, a lot of doctors recommend bark powder and teas to aid in digestion, ulcers and the immune system. It's really not all that unnatural when you think about it. But I'd be skeptical only because I'm allergic to most everything outdoors.

A lot of us here already take powder or loose leaf form of Slipper Elm Bark ravenmoonlight.com/shop/images/slippery_elm_bark.jpg, Marshmallow Root img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a07/sk/hp/purpose-slippery-elm-bark-800x800.jpg, and Licorice.

I do admit though, the minute I read this I wanted to run outside and start pulling at bark and eating it. smilewinkgrin

The reasoning behind her 10 year timeframe to a cure could be that while the

effectiveness of natural vs. drug may be the same, healing always takes longer with anything natural.
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Its laughable- and worthless- because it doesnt even tell us what worked. The hazel she ate made her sick. Nice of them to at least share that.

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   Posted 11/2/2012 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Somedude said...
Let's say this is a true cure, let's assume for a second. If indeed it is and she sells it to a pharmaceutical giant forget about the cure. It's going to get hidden away. Big Pharma doesn't want cures. Bad for business.


Yuuuuuup. probably already a cure for this Bullcrap. but big pharma says bad for biz

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   Posted 11/2/2012 7:00 PM (GMT -6)   
She did though. She said the first type of bark she tried was hazel, it made her sick nearly to death, but she implies that she kept at it and kept getting better.

I mean its interesting, I know from an outsiders perspective its like "***?" but really, I'd be willing to give up this apartment to go live in the wilderness and eat a bunch a bark if thats what it took.

OT, but I always wonder, if we take down the walls in our houses, apartments, buildings and bedrooms, you are surrounded by wire and electromagnetic fields of some sort.

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All i said was "What The Truck" by the way...
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