Probiotic suppositories and probiotic enemas

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twiggs
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   Posted 12/17/2012 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
I know that there are a few older posts about this but not so much on the probiotic suppositories. I wanted to know if anyone has tried a probiotic suppository first off and then to hear from those of you who tried a probiotic enema? I also want to consider the level of the disease in the effectiveness/ineffectiveness with this approach. I think it may be worth trying a probiotic suppository for the ease of it and then maybe a probiotic enema. These are obvious first steps with FT being the last. I myself have a mild version which is mainly in the rectum and lower left side. My canasa seems to keep me fine along with a spinach diet but think that maybe a enema with this would help get me where I want to be which is no meds.
 
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Steve

Post Edited (twiggs) : 12/17/2012 9:42:39 AM (GMT-7)


Eph
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   Posted 12/17/2012 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Where would you get a probiotic suppository?
Late 40s male
Diagnosed with ulcerative proctitis in 1988
Balsalazide (generic Colazal), 3g/2x day.
(lowered to 3g/1x day on 11/30/11)
2000IU Vit D3 daily.
Started LDN on 5/20/11 (4.5mg caps)
Started VSL#3DS (one sachet a day) on 6/28/11
Started Grapefruit Seed Extract 11/9/11
Symptom-free since 7/11
Considering: Fecal transplant
Colonoscopy: 9/6/12, results: Ulcerative Proctitis still

Levi
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   Posted 12/17/2012 11:44 AM (GMT -6)   
I've done a probiotic enema-stuck some VSL in with my Rowasa years ago. I can't remember the results, but I do know I didn't do it for long so they much have been unimpressive.
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, four grams/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema, 3 grams every other night
VSL#3 DS one packet/day and VSL#3 yogurt
Turmeric, digestive enzymes, boswellia, propolis, cat's claw, l-glutamine, fish oil, vitamin D, kefir, blueberries
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

twiggs
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   Posted 12/17/2012 11:44 AM (GMT -6)   
I weas reading about probiotic enemas and then searched and found these to my surprise..

http://www.amazon.com/FloraFemme-Probiotic-Suppository-Strength-freshness/dp/B007HWMI6S

I have read on livestrong they can be used vaginally or rectally..
 


Steve

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deltaforce
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   Posted 12/17/2012 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Vaginal suppositories are for the purpose of maintaining flora so as to maintain/attain certain pH (and in result, to avoid growth of fungus and harmful bacteria). That is not the job that we want in our case. I have never heard/read about it but I find it difficult how will you be sure of its efficacy. The probiotics/useful gut flora is present in colonic region and AFAIK, not in rectum. Suppository will act only in rectum area whereas enema would go max. uptill sigmoid colon and even that will not be useful (my theory, didn't find any proof of anybody studying location in quick search)

Theoretically, your idea sounds plausible but what I don't know is the pH in colon region because the survival of these bacteria is pretty much pH dependent. If the pH is hostile to the bacterial life/growth, the idea will fall apart.
Instead, taking right probiotic product will do the job because some preparations have a pH dependent coating so the bacteria are released only under the pH optimum for their survival. I don't know if VSL#3 uses this technology but you can call them up and ask. IMO, You will get lot better results with this than enema.
Diagnosed March 2007 with left sided UC at the age of 30.
Currently on,
Colazal 9 daily, Imuran, 200mg daily, Vit. B12, 1mg, Multivitamin, 1 tablet daily, Fish oil 2400mg daily, Vit D 2000 IU daily.

Verapamil 320mg for migraine, Migraine episode now at least 4X a month,
Nabumetone 750mg as an abortive, so far so good with GI side effects.

soystud
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   Posted 12/17/2012 12:49 PM (GMT -6)   
"I have read on livestrong they can be used vaginally or rectally.."


Steve - you may have some trouble with the first one -
diagnosed with pancolitis december 21, 2003
currently taking: -- Astaxanthin,vit D, ALA, DHEA, a smorgassbord of probiotics, & Wild Harvest Inflamma Shield -
No Gluten, Rice, Corn, & Dairy - limited Sugar -
No Meds - Just good, healthy food -
Lots of H2O, exercise & sleep as much as possible & enjoy this great life that God has blessed me with -

twiggs
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   Posted 12/17/2012 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Then how does one explain that home Ft works for some? I see that there are threads that claim home ft worked for them. Wouldn't that be ineffective from what you are saying also as far as how it only can reach the rectum?

bananagirl
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   Posted 12/17/2012 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
you can make your own probiotic suppositories. i had a paleo friend who did it. all he did was mix some coconut oil and the contents of a probiotic capsule into a suppository shape and froze it. i'm sure it was cold going up the butt but coconut oil melts pretty quickly anyway.

i've done many probiotic enemas with different strains and have no positive results to report. probably why FT was useless for me.
Joanna, 23
Currently: 7-8 loose bms a day, urgent/bleeding.
vit D, kefir, cod liver oil, astaxanthin, magnesium,
b12 shots, spatone iron, vit C, colostrum
Tried: canasa, rowasa, entocort, pred, 6mp, remicade,
lialda, welchol, bentyl, LDN, cipro, flagyl, VSL/Vit E enema,
8 FT, clay, aloe vera, slippery elm
diet: paleo. no dairy/legumes/grains/starches/seaweeds/eggs/nuts/seeds/nightshades

i_love_coffee
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   Posted 12/17/2012 2:10 PM (GMT -6)   

i did homemade kefir grain enemas, about 7 or 8 days in a row.  i mixed purified water, kefir grain and some vit e oil in a blender and put it in an old washed old rowasa bottle.

not only did it not help me, but it made me worse during those 8 or so days becasue i wasnt using my regular rowasa.  i had more blood during that time.

however, you may have a different experience so the only way to know for sure is to try it for yourself. 


UC since 1991, pancolitis
current: 98% remission
meds: 100 mg imuran(started 6/6/12)
lialda, rowasa/hydrocort 2-4x a week
supplements:sustenex probiotic, caltrate
tried many many supps/diets/alternative stuff, none worked
Diet: lactose free, minimal sugar, vinegar, processed foods, i eat raw organic baby spinach almost daily

twiggs
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   Posted 12/17/2012 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Soy, thats a big afirmative!

haha
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