Does your poo have an ammonia smell

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Old Mike
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   Posted 3/29/2013 6:55 AM (GMT -7)   
I know this is gross,but this is a gross disease,pull no punches with this damm disease.
The reason I ask is that on occasion mine does,ammonia is highly toxic to the colon cells.
It would also be of interest to state what type of diet you are on, high or low red meat,veggie,SCD/Paleo.
I am afraid the gross part is actually trying to smell the ammonia.
After you poo wipe and smell that,or if adventurous poo into a piece of toilet paper and smell that.
 
I am on no special diet at this time.
This experiment would have to do with the urea cycle/citrulline and protein fermentaion in the colon.
UC starts distally,why why why.
Here is my beta oxidation thread for insight.
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twiggs
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   Posted 3/29/2013 7:26 AM (GMT -7)   
OM, I have noticed a pattern with the smell of my poo. I have virtually no smell when I was noticing blood back some time ago but since I have been in remission I notice much more smell to it.

Not sure what that means but that sums me up anyways.

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London Lurker
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   Posted 3/29/2013 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I noticed an ammonia smell recently when taken s. boulardii probiotic. There's something kind of chemical at the moment but as I am using Salofalk enemas, it could be to do with that.

I think a lot of people say their flares are often proceed by a lot of sulphur smelling gas.
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stereofidelic89
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   Posted 3/29/2013 8:05 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't know what ammonia smells like. But I was going to start a topic just recently about the smell. Since february i've had completely formed stool, symptoms are fine after recovering from lowering asacol dose. Now my poo does smell like chemical sometimes. What does this mean??

It's never smelled like this before.

NomasUC
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   Posted 3/29/2013 9:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Interesting, I have noticed a different chemical type of smell sometimes, a couple of days ago I thought "what is that?, ammonia? Isn't that supposed to be eliminated in the urine?" I had used canasa supp. the night before, I thought maybe something in my diet reacting with it. I follow no special diet, except trying to eat healthy and I don't drink cow milk.

arizonahiker
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   Posted 3/29/2013 9:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Mike..

Gross subject but yes, when I was in bad flares.

Our sense of smell though is a funny thing. For instance when some people eat asparagus they notice the smell in their pee. But here is the interesting thing, only certain people have the ability to smell that. So someone may eat asparagus and the same chemical will come out all the time, but only certain people can smell it.

So you may have the ability to smell things others can't.

Sometimes that's a curse! :)

John
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Asacol 9X per day
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Canada Mark
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   Posted 3/29/2013 9:26 AM (GMT -7)   
An alternative description perhaps would be to ask if anyone has a ummmm... "burnt" smell... Hard to describe but would say a lot if others had this. I had this for a very long time up until the amino acid trial.
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Tornado6
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   Posted 3/29/2013 9:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Windex and some other household cleaners smell like ammonia if you don't know what it smells like.

I usually smell blood. I can tell how red the bowl is going to be by the smell. When there is less blood, there is a weird 'sweet' smell. Not sweet in any good way, maybe more like overripe fruit smells sweet.
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Currently:
budesonide - 9 mg
hydrocortisone enema
Imuran – 100 mg / day
Ca, Fe, Zn, Vit C, Vit D, Valerian root, molasses

Prior: Colestyramine, Xifaxan, Lialda, Apriso, Symax Duotab, Imuran, Remicade, Prednisone, budesonide enema, Align, acidophilus, SCD yogurt
(flagyl, levaquin, methylprednisolone, RisaQuad, two units blood)

TheAnswersYouSeek
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   Posted 3/29/2013 10:50 AM (GMT -7)   
I sometimes burp ammonia or have ammonia smelling urine or stool.. Now I know why.

My stool test I got the results on yesterday revealed that Im high in a saprophytic fungi that should not be pathogenic but for me it appears it is.. and ecoli, both of which produce alot of ammonia.
Current: No Dairy, Sugar, Wheat or Soy.. Olive leaf (20% Oleuoropein), Lauricidin/monolaurin, NA-Cysteine, CoQ10, Psyllium/Apple pectin, Ferula, Triphalia, Metagenics, methylation pathway support.
Things that have helped: Cleansing Enemas, Probiotic retention enemas, slippery elm, marshmellow root, aloe, Oil of Oregano (80%+ carvacol), Threelac

TheAnswersYouSeek
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   Posted 3/29/2013 10:54 AM (GMT -7)   
He put me on sodium butyrate, oral dosing 3mg a day.. might need more, combined with 100-200mg L-Glutamine as well as antimicrobials to kill the overgrowth
Current: No Dairy, Sugar, Wheat or Soy.. Olive leaf (20% Oleuoropein), Lauricidin/monolaurin, NA-Cysteine, CoQ10, Psyllium/Apple pectin, Ferula, Triphalia, Metagenics, methylation pathway support.
Things that have helped: Cleansing Enemas, Probiotic retention enemas, slippery elm, marshmellow root, aloe, Oil of Oregano (80%+ carvacol), Threelac

DanthaMan
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   Posted 3/29/2013 11:17 AM (GMT -7)   
mine is a sour smell, with yellow color liquid in bowl. Not sure I have ever smelled ammonia we have a bottle at home I am going to go smell it:)

Sibby
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   Posted 3/29/2013 11:34 AM (GMT -7)   
Wouldn't the easiest way to explain the smell is old hair dye? I know they don't put ammonia in it anymore, but I used to remember smelling it all the time when I dyed my hair in high school.
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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   Posted 3/29/2013 11:56 AM (GMT -7)   
also bubbles.. sometimes when you poop or pee you will see ammonia bubbles collect on the surface
Current: No Dairy, Sugar, Wheat or Soy.. Olive leaf (20% Oleuoropein), Lauricidin/monolaurin, NA-Cysteine, CoQ10, Psyllium/Apple pectin, Ferula, Triphalia, methylation pathway support, sodium butyrate, anantamul, Blis K12, VSL#3, PB8, Proteolytic enzymes, Proferrin

deltaforce
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   Posted 3/29/2013 12:07 PM (GMT -7)   
No smell whatsoever in my case. The smell is distinct many a times depending on what you eat.

@PathogenKiller,
If this yeast growth is observed in your stools, why you were not prescribed antifungals instead? And then shoot up S. biulardii intake. You should be all set then.
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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   Posted 3/29/2013 12:39 PM (GMT -7)   
its not a traditional fungi so you need antimicrobials. Antifungals wont work alone. S. Boullardii does nothing for this psuedo/fungii and anything youd take to kill this would kill out any s boullardii anyway

Old Mike
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   Posted 3/29/2013 1:11 PM (GMT -7)   
I have arrived at the beach house,so now back online.
Be carefull if you smell a bottle of ammonia,dont stick your nose in it,just
wave your hand over the opening,you will get the smell.
As far as smells go,my poo does not have much of any smell,while the wife with a healthy colon smells you know like it should.  We probably have some sort of bacterial imbalance going on,the inflammation has killed off many good bacteria, ecoli or something else has taken over,iron eating bacteria are out competing other good ones,who knows.
 
Anyone burping or peeing ammonia has a real problem,not good.
Any bubbles you are seeing that persist in the toilet after peeing are protein and really should not be there.
Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 3/29/2013 1:26:26 PM (GMT-6)


quincy
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   Posted 3/29/2013 1:13 PM (GMT -7)   
I've had it on occasion...but in conjunction with excessive mucus, and my cat has as well (since that's been an issue as of late).

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46&crashing
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   Posted 3/29/2013 4:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Canada Mark, I agree with the burnt smell. Once or twice I had that ammonia smell, but burnt best describes me. When I was flaring, mine had absolutely no smell at all which made my hubby wonder if I was really going all those times I spent hours in the bathroom. Do we have any common meds that could cause this?
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Never had rectal meds.
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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   Posted 3/29/2013 4:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Old Mike said...

Anyone burping or peeing ammonia has a real problem,not good.
Any bubbles you are seeing that persist in the toilet after peeing are protein and really should not be there.
Old Mike


no, they are not protein.. and we all pee ammonia and burp ammonia anytime a microbe is active or even when we are dehydrated. Your science boggles me old mike, seriously.

Subsequent to elimination from the body, urine can acquire strong odors due to bacterial action, and in particular the release of ammonia from the breakdown of urea. google it, its pretty easy science to find.

www.ehow.com/facts_6531516_ammonia-odor-urine.html

Post Edited (PathogenKiller) : 3/29/2013 4:41:00 PM (GMT-6)


katarzyna
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   Posted 3/29/2013 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   
OM, I noticed that I have a funny smell to my poo (which I assume is ammonia now) when I am in the bad flare and bleeding. It always made me feel more nauseated than normal and I've always had that reaction to ammonia.

PathogenKiller, I was also told by a doctor that if you see bubbles in your pee, it's protein. What else could the bubbles mean?

colitis91895
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   Posted 3/29/2013 5:56 PM (GMT -7)   
I've had that kind of smell since I was put on remicade never thought anything of it
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arizonahiker
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   Posted 3/29/2013 6:33 PM (GMT -7)   
"I was also told by a doctor that if you see bubbles in your pee, it's protein. What else could the bubbles mean?"

It means you forgot to flush the Comet out of the toilet before using it... :)
Male - 55 - Ulcerative Colitis on/off since 1980. Currently in remission.

Asacol 9X per day
Probiotic Complex - 6X per day
1 TB of psyllium husk mixed with mango/orange juice

I try to eat preservative-free diet with occasional vegetables and fruits

Old Mike
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   Posted 3/29/2013 6:57 PM (GMT -7)   
pathogen: Believe what you wish.
Bubbles in the toilet from urine are from protein,should not be there if the kidneys are functioning correctly,talking about persistant bubbles,after you stop peeing. If you let pee sit in the toilet for hours and then smell some ammonia,that can happen.
Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 3/29/2013 7:08:46 PM (GMT-6)


Canada Mark
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   Posted 3/29/2013 7:36 PM (GMT -7)   
I think we're all (healthy or not healthy) quite attuned to the smell of what comes out. You immediately know if something's not quite right. But it does show the disease progression and stage that you're in. From normal smelling, to ammonia or burnt (not sure what would cause these), to overwhelmingly horrid (bacteria imbalance, c-diff) to putrid, foul or putrified (when things are really, really bad). When I was at my worst point just before my first trip to the hospital - stools (or more so whatever it was that came came out) was disgusting, bloody, grey, foul smelling, frothy. It was quite a painful and bad time for me. Infection had penetrated all layers of my colon.

So as terrible a topic it is to talk about - I had a conversation a while ago with a younger guy that had just been diagnosed - I asked him straight up how his poo looked and smelled and instead of being disgusted he reacted right away saying how horrid and disgusting it was and how he was a little relieved to know that it wasn't just him.

It good to talk about the things most don't want to and get it out into the open.

Also it might help newer people realize when they are really in trouble - or crossing the threshold of needing to get to the GI or something perhaps.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 3/29/2013 7:39:01 PM (GMT-6)


katarzyna
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   Posted 3/30/2013 8:39 AM (GMT -7)   
JohnPhx, not while your peeing silly! I mean after you finish and a few minutes the bubbles are still there.

ALSO, pathogenkiller and OM, protein CAN be lost through urine. "Low blood albumin level, also known as hypoalbuminemia, indicates that kidneys are unable to stop the leakage of albumin into the urine and so the protein is being lost through urine." http://www.buzzle.com/articles/low-albumin-levels.html
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