Resistant Starch diet improves UC

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aguywithuc
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   Posted 7/21/2013 11:50 AM (GMT -6)   
imagardener2 said...
My gut does not like beans, even home-soaked navy beans, so that's something for the future.


Oh so sorry to hear that. Cold potatoes, cold pasta I enjoy I just seem to get results faster from the beans. Now I think a full can is too much as I had gas last night yet had none consuming 1/4 to 1/2 can per day. It might mean you could try laughably small amounts of navy beans and see if your system begins to adjust - like 5 beans per day no more.

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   Posted 7/21/2013 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
aguywithuc said...
imagardener2 said...
My gut does not like beans, even home-soaked navy beans, so that's something for the future.


Oh so sorry to hear that. Cold potatoes, cold pasta I enjoy I just seem to get results faster from the beans. Now I think a full can is too much as I had gas last night yet had none consuming 1/4 to 1/2 can per day. It might mean you could try laughably small amounts of navy beans and see if your system begins to adjust - like 5 beans per day no more.


Yeh, I've thought that too but haven't done it...yet. Now if those magic beans were made of chocolate I'd be way more motivated haha.

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   Posted 7/21/2013 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I bought some plantains, sliced them up and let them dry out (no heat), sprinkle with salt. Good snack, high RS.
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aguywithuc
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   Posted 7/21/2013 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Gonk said...
I bought some plantains, sliced them up and let them dry out (no heat), sprinkle with salt. Good snack, high RS.


Let us know how it goes, I abandoned the man made variation and dont recommend anything but natural RS.

uc22
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   Posted 7/22/2013 9:17 AM (GMT -6)   
aguy did you have better results with Kuners navy beans or Edens or no difference?

aguywithuc
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   Posted 7/22/2013 1:58 PM (GMT -6)   
uc22 said...
aguy did you have better results with Kuners navy beans or Edens or no difference?


Kuners for sure, still have Edens but have not opened a can of them in weeks if not months.

I now think you can over do it, a full can seems to be too much for my system to handle and I did start to get gassy.

I backed way off. Still at only 5mg prednisone, adrenals need to 'wake up' as I am sluggish in the morning could sleep all day.

However less beans still does the job, no blood, no urgency. So for me its going to be 1/2 can maximum and I will look to all my dirty cheat foods if I need to improve things.

Bean free today, had 1/2 can yesterday.

Imran123
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   Posted 12/5/2013 9:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Been following this topic with interest. Have bananas already but will lean torwards to the green variety. baked beans I am ok with and also lentils so will be concentrating on those too.

Here is a good link i found with a list of foods that have resistant starch in case it helps anyone expand their diet!

http://conceptnutrition.com.au/resistant-starch-the-fibre-of-all-fibres/

garylouisville
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   Posted 12/5/2013 12:02 PM (GMT -6)   
This resistant starch thing fascinates me but I just can't seem to understand the cold thing. I'm sure it has been explained to death already but maybe someone can humor me one more time. So.............

You can have warm (let's say pasta) on your plate but then if you don't eat it, it becomes cold 10 minutes down the road. So you're saying that if it cooled down on your plate to the point where it was cold, it would be a lot more beneficial than if you had eaten it warm just ten minutes ago, even though the inside of your body is roughly 98.6 degrees Farenheit and anything eaten cold, including ice cream (or cold pasta), would soon warm up to 98.6 degrees anyway by the time it reached your intestines? Or is 98.6 degrees considered "cold"? I just can't wrap my head around understanding this because even if you had eaten it "warm" your body temperature would cool it down to that same 98.6 degrees so what is the difference if you eat it cold or hot or warm because by the time it reaches your intestines it will be 98.6 degrees, no matter what temperature it was when you ate it?
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TroubledTurds
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   Posted 12/5/2013 9:39 PM (GMT -6)   
here's a thought maybe you can "wrap your head around" gary :

instead of trying to understand it, why don't you just do it ??????

since you're gonna have uc (or whatever it is that you have) forever, and you've been in a continual flare for 3 years, what are you waiting for ???

do the deal, then ANALyse it -

just a thought -

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   Posted 12/5/2013 10:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Gary, it is a little complex, chemically. Like you I prefer to understand the mechanics of things, where possible. ;-)

There are four types of resistant starch, each measured by their level of digestibility, or the ability to break them down to their glucose units for absorption. They represent a small portion of total starch content.

When you heat, and then cool, amylose (the starch in question) it changes the structure, permanently. (Several cycles of heating and cooling actually further change that structure, but less and less so.)

The resistant starch contains more crystalline polymers and become less able to be broken down by digestive enzymes, acting more like insoluble fiber.

So heating and cooling makes it more glue-like, for want of a better term.

aguywithuc
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   Posted 12/5/2013 10:11 PM (GMT -6)   
garylouisville said...
This resistant starch thing fascinates me but I just can't seem to understand the cold thing. I'm sure it has been explained to death already but maybe someone can humor me one more time. So.............



The structure is different hot/cold. In a general way the colder it enters the better it resists digestion. I agree some is going to warm and change and be digested. Colder the better then.

But I never play that game I simply eat Navy beans, Kuners Navy beans .89 cents. Hot as all like hash browns or cold out of fridge quick spoonfuls.

I am done experimenting, learning mode is off. Just because I can eat anything when protected by daily navy when I stop and test but keep eating garbage it results in flares.

From here forward I wont stop Navy and for once I have proof that a maintenance drug helps me - ASACOL HD. Labwork was shockig and I felt better that's enough for me to believe, and with daily navy I should do great and be on a long long remission.

Madpotter
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   Posted 12/6/2013 8:41 AM (GMT -6)   
When you guys say green bananas how green are we talking? Solid green or just green around the ends?

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   Posted 4/5/2014 2:13 AM (GMT -6)   
bump ....

Hi guys, I think i'm having severe gut dysbiosis after a couple colonics a few weeks ago. I noticed my sulphur/sulphite senstivity, histamine allergy, and candida all flared up.

Right afterwards I noticed my stools getting pale, and rarely any bowel movement. I added probiotics and that seemed to help for a short while, but then on the second day of VSL#3 I noticed burning pain in my gut after taking it. I haven't taken any probiotics since.

I am now not sure what to eat and I am already underweight and very weak. I have Lyme, Mercury, leaky gut, CFS/fibromyalgia among other things. Last night I ate an apple and became uncomfortable for hours, then had cramping along with reddish, pale, watery diarrhea. I fear my leaky gut has gotten even worse. I also noticed my teeth are acidic especially when I wake up and my stools are very smelly and slightly painful (acidic?) when they come out.

What would you guys recommend?

Post Edited (taroki) : 4/5/2014 3:17:36 AM (GMT-6)


aguywithuc
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   Posted 4/5/2014 4:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow you sound like you need some help from people on this board.

First of all when I get to whacked out, too far over the line I need prednisone and my plan is to not let it slip that far again. I have had weeks that went bad from horrible food choices and was able to snap out of it each time.

You do not sound like you need that as there is no extreme bleeding.

"rarely any bowel movement"

The acidity sounds like you need to drink a lot more water and start eating spinach, canned spinach is fine.

I just made chili with grass fed 90% lean burger from whole paycheck, plus Navy beans for RS, plus chopped onions and cheddar cheese.

1. Water all day, rinse out toxins
2. VSL#3DS to get balance going
3. RS to repair, cold pasta ( Barilla ) navy beans in small amounts
4. Pysllium Seed Powder convert to SCFA butyrate
5. Psyllium husk if it does not bother you ( need right fiber to help good bacteria )
6. Spinach of any kind, canned is fine
7. Absolutely no sugar, fake sugar, no processed foods until better
8. I also found Asacol HD had a dramatic effect on my bloodwork I was monitoring

That should help stablize things.
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