Has someone tried digestive enzymes and Betaine HCL ?

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Old Mike
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   Posted 3/20/2017 5:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I am not real big fan of digestive enzymes or at least plant enzymes.
No way for the body to shut them off after digestion is completed.
Even animal/human enzymes in excess might perhaps not be able to be shut down.
So you might end up with excess protease and start to dissolve yourself.

We have enough trouble with bacterial protease, and pancreatic protease that is not turned off.
We also have problems with our supply of anti-trypsin in the colon.

Moderation.

Protease inhibitors can put people into remission.

Of course some can have not enough or excess HCL in the stomach,
but that is a different story.

Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 3/20/2017 5:40:56 PM (GMT-6)


beave
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   Posted 3/20/2017 5:42 PM (GMT -6)   
soynomore said...
Besides digestive enzyme supplementation, oral enzymes can be used systemically. This requires taking enzymes on an empty stomach between meals so they can be absorbed through your gut into your bloodstream, where your cells can use them metabolically to clear away debris and accumulated metabolic buildups.
However, getting enzymes from your digestive tract into your bloodstream isn't as easy as it would seem. Enzymes are very susceptible to denaturing and must be helped to survive the highly acidic environment in your stomach. For this reason, they're often given an "enteric coating" to help them survive the journey through your digestive tract.
Systemic oral enzymes have been used to treat problems ranging from sports injuries to arthritis to heart disease and cancer, particularly in European countries. But most of the research has been published in non-English language journals.
This systemic use of enzymes is still in its infancy in the U.S. Keep in mind that in order for enzymes to be used systemically, they must be ingested on an empty stomach. Otherwise, your body will use them for digesting your food, instead of being absorbed into the blood and doing their work there.


Is there a reason you copied and pasted some text from Mercola?

Do you notice that there are no supporting links or documentation for so many claims made on that website?

ambling
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   Posted 3/20/2017 5:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, nice copy and paste soy. Pseudo-science is huge in the supplement industry. A bit convenient that only foreign language links might exist eyes
Research is ongoing in the area, but the kinetics of delivery are too complex to manage at this stage.

healseeker
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   Posted 3/20/2017 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello people,

Shingles is a virus that I had for approx. 4 months and I used aloe vera and olive leaf pills to ward it off. Then my forms of preventive pills were overtaken by the virus and I ordered the enzymes to hopefully get rid of it. Here is the letter I wrote to the company 4 years ago that I'd like to share with you:

Your Fibrenza saved my skin!!


Sometime last year I read an article on a health site explaining how
systemic enzymes make viruses obsolete (eating the head off a virus were the exact words)
when taking 10 pills or more three times a day. Everybody is different, so dosage varies.
I’ve taken digestive enzymes before, but I understand these are more powerful.
I finally went online shopping for a brand of my choice and I was led to your company.
I purchased a bottle of 250 count and took 2 pills per day for 4 months and finished it.
(for the sake of taking them and being pro-active with my health was the only reason I
took them-I wasn’t sick in any way)


I’ve had 2 bad viruses in the past 7 years (long story, debilitating, lost 20 pounds in three weeks and went down to 95 pounds
and took 3 months to recover) So if I discover something that inactivates viruses then I need to take that opportunity to figure out what to do if I ever get one again. Olive leaf extract and oil of oregano have worked in the past but it took time to heal my body and was eventually successful after months of trying everything else before discovering those products.

Sometime in February, 2014, my left underarm was very sensitive to the deodorant I tried to apply. That’s never happened before, and I didn’t put deodorant under my left arm for months.
Three months later I started to get a rash in that area (never had a rash in my life, don’t take any prescriptions) and was wondering how much worse it will get, so I kept on applying DMSO cream
and Aloe vera gel about 8 times per day to keep the rash moisturized (what do I know?) and from getting worse.
I’m a 42 years old female with no health issues and did research on my own and found that the area under my arm looked exactly like the photos on the internet of the beginning of Shingles and I was diagnosed by a doctor for the diagnosis I did not want to hear.
It was then I realized that I need to order your Fibrenza because Shingles, like the chicken pox which I’ve had 40 years ago, is a virus and was hoping when I received your bottle that the dosage I read about would help me.

At this time, since I already used my previous bottle, I ordered another Fibrenza
hoping, but not expecting it would work. Nothing would work, my rash probably would spread and I’d
suffer for months like everybody else through the history of time with shingles. And then the skin
turns so red that it blisters but then heals-that’s what I didn’t want to happen but was prepared
for whatever happens. So I got your bottle on a Friday, took 10 pills each twice that evening, (at 6 & 11)
and then took 60 more the next 2 days. On Monday morning I looked under my arm, and, my god, the area that was affected first, 2 weeks prior, was whiter than the surrounding areas, which were starting to spread around my underarm. Was Fibrenza working or was it an anomaly and the shingles virus would return with envy and fight me for its survival and really spread. So I took 30 more pills on Monday, other areas were clearing up, and by Thursday I didn’t need to take any more Fibrenza because there was no more itching, burning, and the healing of the already reddish skin was getting better very quickly. I was wondering if the virus would make a comeback if I stopped taking Fibrenza but it didn’t, and I’m writing this in August very secure and confident that when any virus wants to “play with me” in the future that it will be obliterated very shortly after taking over my cells and making me sick. No more viruses for me because I have the knowledge and you have the product of how to heal the root cause of most UNDIAGNOSED ILLNESSES, which are from viruses.

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   Posted 3/20/2017 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Generally speaking, the majority of all proteins are broken down into amino acids and peptides before being absorbed into the cells of the small intestine. However, there is growing evidence that small amounts of intact proteins can also make their way across the small intestine using diverse mechanisms.
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Since 2015: mesalamine 4.8 g/day and salofalk enemas as needed.
Psyllium seed powder 1 tbsp at night
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TroubledTurds
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   Posted 3/20/2017 7:28 PM (GMT -6)   
beave said...
soynomore said...
Besides digestive enzyme supplementation, oral enzymes can be used systemically. This requires taking enzymes on an empty stomach between meals so they can be absorbed through your gut into your bloodstream, where your cells can use them metabolically to clear away debris and accumulated metabolic buildups.
However, getting enzymes from your digestive tract into your bloodstream isn't as easy as it would seem. Enzymes are very susceptible to denaturing and must be helped to survive the highly acidic environment in your stomach. For this reason, they're often given an "enteric coating" to help them survive the journey through your digestive tract.
Systemic oral enzymes have been used to treat problems ranging from sports injuries to arthritis to heart disease and cancer, particularly in European countries. But most of the research has been published in non-English language journals.
This systemic use of enzymes is still in its infancy in the U.S. Keep in mind that in order for enzymes to be used systemically, they must be ingested on an empty stomach. Otherwise, your body will use them for digesting your food, instead of being absorbed into the blood and doing their work there.


Is there a reason you copied and pasted some text from Mercola?

Do you notice that there are no supporting links or documentation for so many claims made on that website?




is there a good reason not to ? are you asking about everything ever posted on his site or the information i copied and posted ?
dx'd with pancolitis 12/21/03
current supplements:vit D, cal/mag, Psyllium Seed powder/Heather's Acacia fiber/ L-Glutamine/Hemp powder slurry 1x/week - grain free/paleoish diet that includes 100% grass fed beef, raw goat milk, & local organic free range eggs, lots of all natural well water, exercise, sleep as much as possible & enjoy this great life that God has blessed me with !

beave
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   Posted 3/20/2017 8:15 PM (GMT -6)   
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