Probiotic enema

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frombc
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   Posted 11/7/2007 2:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone ever tried doing a probiotic enema. I use VSL#3 which comes in a powdered form and thought maybe I could add it to my salofalk enema? Is this a crazy idea?? What about adding some vitamin e to the enema. Any adventurous enema doers out there?
48 year old female
Dx'd with proctosigmoiditis July/06
Asacol 9/day
Salofalk enemas 4(g) at bedtime
...Aloe
Vit B complex/folic acid
fish oil (pharmaceutical grade)
VSL#3


pb4
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   Posted 11/7/2007 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
It's not necessarily a crazy idea, infact I'm kinda hoping that researchers will soon come out with this type of procedure...in the mean time, the probiotic I use has guaranteed intestinal release, I sure have success with it so it must....havn't had proctitis issues ever since starting the probiotic about 3 yrs ago now.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


frombc
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   Posted 11/7/2007 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi pb4, Which probiotic do you use?

I also had a crazy idea when I was thinking about how great one of those inversion tables would feel on my back. Then I thought you could kill 2 birds with one stone by doing an enema and hanging upside down so it reached more of the colon.

While looking online for probiotic enemas, I came across Jini Patel Thompson's website. In her book she has a section on probiotic enemas. Has anyone ever tried her method, or is her book just a waste of time and $$. Thanks.
48 year old female
Dx'd with proctosigmoiditis July/06
Asacol 9/day
Salofalk enemas 4(g) at bedtime
...Aloe
Vit B complex/folic acid
fish oil (pharmaceutical grade)
VSL#3


pb4
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   Posted 11/7/2007 4:03 PM (GMT -6)   
LOL...hangin upside down, could you imagine??? Our luck that would confuse our poops...imagine the mess we'd be dealing with then...

I use Primadophilus Reuteri made by natures way it has to be kept refridgerated...apparently VSL3 is the top dog but not everyone has success with it, some do better amazingly, with other brands instead.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


frombc
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   Posted 11/7/2007 4:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks pb4! I have the Natures Way Reuteri in the pearls. I bought it in between when I ran out of VSL. I wonder if it would be ok to take both VSL and Reuteri??
48 year old female
Dx'd with proctosigmoiditis July/06
Asacol 9/day
Salofalk enemas 4(g) at bedtime
...Aloe
Vit B complex/folic acid
fish oil (pharmaceutical grade)
VSL#3


pb4
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Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 17880
   Posted 11/7/2007 5:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Sure you can take both but the VSL 3 is suppose to be the most potent so I don't know if you'd notice much more of a difference but it'll be fine to use both together.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


princesa
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   Posted 11/7/2007 5:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Jini Patel Thompson gives instructions for making your own probiotic retention enema in her book Listen to Your Gut.

http://www.crohnsalternative.com/


Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999
C-scope confirmed UC diagnosis 9/18/2007
 
Therapeutic dose sulfasalazine, back on a pred taper for first flare in years. Down to 10 mg and feeling much better.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice and Mucosaheal.
 
 


relativelyquantum
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Date Joined Sep 2007
Total Posts : 196
   Posted 11/7/2007 9:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I think I am going to write a book and call it "Listen to Your Butt." Sorry, I felt obligated to say it and I am sure someone has said this before. Actually, the book sounds good and the probiotic enema seems like a good idea, since some bacteria cannot handle the various acids in stomach and small intestine. Makes me wonder if that is why VSL#3 doesn't seem to get as quick of results as some of these other brands that are enteric coated. One of the VSL3 studies spoke of using, I believe, 3.6 trillion bacteria/day to get remission in certain individuals within 6 weeks, which is 8 packs a day. Just so you know, we have about 100-200 trillion microbes in our gut typically, so even this amount seems small in comparison. I don't know how well these guys survive the trip and there is some competition for space. However, microbes can double as quickly as every half hour, though some take hours. So on the one hand there is something about the numbers that should help, but other factors are also at work.

Something else to note is that Reuteri (along with being enteric coated) has a couple different bacterial species than VSL3, which may work better for some--also they claim on their package that it helps extend the villi or microvilli, that aid's digestion. From what I have read: get variety and try different sources. This seems to be helping me, but of course it is hard to pin point when you try so many things. So if you are concerned about potency, take it more times a day.
Pancolitis '04
Yet to go into remission, Flare-up since Aug 12th and still atempting to work in the midst of it
On Lialda (2/dy), probiotics, Oriental Medical Tea & Prescribed Diet, Greens+, Fish Oil

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