mushy stools = constipation?

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damo123
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   Posted 11/13/2007 11:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Can mushy stools be a result of constipation. I'm thinking that mushy stools means that the normal activity of the colon wall in building and binding stool has slowed down for whatever reason and the colon has become sluggish with the result that stools are not solid in nature but rather mushy.
 
Is this thinking correct?
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quincy
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   Posted 11/13/2007 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
mushy means going through quicker (not enough time for the colon to absorb the water from the "stool" going through.

Some causes could be possible inflammation, stress, ibs, too much fibre that increases peristalsis, colon spasming,....etc.

Are you having any urgency with the mushy?

Constipation then mushy is a symptom for me of rectal inflammation, to whatever degree affects bowel activity.

If it's continual, I'd suggest you start or just increase rectal meds.

quincy
*Heather*Status:mini flare June 23* 6asacol daily+ Salofalk (tapered every 4th night)
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals 
~Probiotic 2 (Natural Factors Protec) + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) at bedtime
~Natural Factors Multi Digestive Enzymes with supper
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!


damo123
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   Posted 11/13/2007 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
No it's just a theory I was working on. I was reading some websites which suggested that constipation can also be associated with mushiness!! I was trying to work out their logic based on the action of the colon ie being sluggish and not forming stool properly. I agree that I always thought mushy meant D but interested to try and see the logic about where they are coming from too.

To clarify they were indicating that mushy once a day BM was C and that mushy many times a day was more D.

Sorry for all the techy mushy terms!
1600 mg Asacol + 500mg suppositories as needed
Acidophilus
No Stress and a positive attitude (mostly!)
 
My colon appears to be acting somewhat normal (ssssshhhhh...don't jinx it)
 
 
 
 
 


quincy
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   Posted 11/13/2007 3:09 PM (GMT -6)   
it doesn't make sense to me regarding the logic for it to be called constipation, for mushy means too much liquid and too much liquid/water means the colon hasn't had a chance to absorb it. Although it could be too much fat too or too much fibre..

But if you mean soft and fluffy/bulky but still formed...that could be the right amount of fibre to absorb the water in the colon that helps increase peristalsis.

If the stools are mushy like hmm, mushed bananas and very thin like ...it would mean tight sphincter caused by stress/hemorrhoids or inflammation.

Mushy is a good term...not gross at all. I had a great site that showed all the different poo textures...

Hey, do you watch "You Are What You Eat?"


To me 1 - 3 times a day are still in the normal range of going....but it is subjective as to what one eats/drinks and how the butt/colon reacts to a variety of stimuli..

Oh, I forgot to mention meds can change the consistency and activity of the digestive tract....

quincy


*Heather*Status:mini flare June 23* 6asacol daily+ Salofalk (tapered every 4th night)
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals 
~Probiotic 2 (Natural Factors Protec) + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) at bedtime
~Natural Factors Multi Digestive Enzymes with supper
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!


damo123
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   Posted 11/13/2007 3:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes I agree. I guess to be fair to them they didn't use the term C but rather the term "sluggish bowel". I always take sluggish bowel to mean C but perhaps this is wrong. So maybe sluggish bowel can produce mushy stools. Thats prob what they were getting at. They were considering it from an IBS standpoint.

Yes they were talking about "roundy mushy"!! They indicated that this wasnt necessarily a bad thing - just an incoveniance. Pencil thin stools are as you say more associated with inflammation. The wider the diameter of the stool the healthier the bowel. And yes they linked mushy too excess fat.

Yep 1-3 is normal from what I've read. In fact 2-3 is normal. The newer websites seem to indicate that 1 BM per day is borderline C.
1600 mg Asacol + 500mg suppositories as needed
Acidophilus
No Stress and a positive attitude (mostly!)
 
My colon appears to be acting somewhat normal (ssssshhhhh...don't jinx it)
 
 
 
 
 


kazygirl
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   Posted 11/13/2007 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
i think im having a sluggish bowel.. mine are a bit mushy and thin like and oh man does it hurt like hell when i go. i'd almost rather have D than this cuz it doesnt hurt as bad.
i was also wondering if it was constipation cuz im on pain killers that cause constipation.
i know that thin "pencil" poo is a sign of constipation.
mine is thin and semi formed (more than normal) and a bit mushy... so i dont know whats going on.
in one way, its good cuz my bm's are going back towards normal and on the other hand its bad cuz it hurts my colon when it sits in there and then comes out.
my problem at the moment, like i said above, is sluggish bowel. cuz it will hurt for hours and then finally i can go and i go a ton. like i lose 3lbs in poo when i go. so, whats really going on?
should i take a stool softener or something or just deal?
31 year old female - diagnosed UC in 2000
started as proctitis and now is pancolitis..this year long flare is now severe on left side only.
**3 weeks out of hospital/no colitis symptoms... normal bm's only 1x a day + no blood
50mg prednisone 1x  with lunch or breakfast
50mg imuran 1x  8pm stopped it to try and have a baby
2x 500mg mesalazine 2x day + night
VSL#3 didnt work
Aloe Elite didnt work
Budesonide 9mg day didnt work
ive lost 40+lbs and my legs look like sticks ... ewww
 


quincy
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   Posted 11/14/2007 5:34 AM (GMT -6)   
sluggish bowel is a lazy bowel. Something many UCers can get if they're not eating foods that will encourage the colon to actually WORK to create a stool rather than just let it "slip slide down".
A spasming gut is like in "out of control" movement mode and makes a big stink about nothing...that also can lead to a sluggish bowel because many are afraid to eat except for foods that don't even require chewing.  It's a habit ..... and the bowel is a very quick study when it doesn't have to work.
 
I would totally disagree with one a day bms being called constipation if they're productive and good consistency.  Now, little hard nuggets could be considered if it's continual....a sign of not enough food intake and a very up-tight or lazy colon because stool stays in there for a very long time and its rhythm thrown off by not high enough intake of food to encourage proper peristalsis.  That's why eating even small meals every few hours is helpful to keep the colon exercised.  Fibre supplements can definitely help with exercising the colon.

krazygirl...that's rectal inflammation ... tenesmus...I call them white-knucklers. That's my confirmation (the very first time it happens) of a flare is starting. I increase the Salofalk to nightly then.

Rectal meds .... even the suppositories...will help. Better than nothing while you're on pred.

quincy


*Heather*Status:mini flare June 23* 6asacol daily+ Salofalk (tapered every 4th night)
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals 
~Probiotic 2 (Natural Factors Protec) + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) at bedtime
~Natural Factors Multi Digestive Enzymes with supper
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!

Post Edited (quincy) : 11/14/2007 3:42:35 AM (GMT-7)


kazygirl
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   Posted 11/14/2007 6:44 AM (GMT -6)   
yeah, i started using colifoam 4 nights ago ...from advice from one of your other posts...

we'll see how it helps.

rectal inflammations sucks!
31 year old female - diagnosed UC in 2000
started as proctitis and now is pancolitis..this year long flare is now severe on left side only.
**3 weeks out of hospital/no colitis symptoms... normal bm's only 1x a day + no blood
50mg prednisone 1x  with lunch or breakfast
50mg imuran 1x  8pm stopped it to try and have a baby
2x 500mg mesalazine 2x day + night
VSL#3 didnt work
Aloe Elite didnt work
Budesonide 9mg day didnt work
ive lost 40+lbs and my legs look like sticks ... ewww
 


damo123
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   Posted 11/14/2007 6:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Quincy,

Are you making the argument then that the bowel has suffered "memory loss" in the same way that if I don't exercise my abs and keep them in shape they will get sluggish, limp and not do what they should do ie support the core.

If so then are we to take a "sluggish bowel condition" to be purely a phyiscal condition and not induced by a whacky immune system, an incorrect brain-gut connection etc. Your bowel is simply out of shape.

D
1600 mg Asacol + 500mg suppositories as needed
Acidophilus
No Stress and a positive attitude (mostly!)
 
My colon appears to be acting somewhat normal (ssssshhhhh...don't jinx it)
 
 
 
 
 


quincy
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Total Posts : 25732
   Posted 11/14/2007 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
No...UC is a chronic disease that affects a particular part of the colon.....the mucosal layer and for some the submucosal layer (which is the protection layer) that reacts to a stimuli (subjective). That's already set in motion once triggered...beyond your control...hence the autoimmune status. That's why the immune suppression meds are used for some.

Think of elastic....not all are created equally and some are able to withstand the rigors of the functions that it's put through and others just aren't able to do it. All the factors are subjective and unfortunately complex...but the basics are still workable and the variables can be adjusted to allow it to work to the utmost of its ability.  Of course, if one elastic doesn't work, we throw it away and use another..lol.
 
I think the colon is a quick study when it doesn't have to function to its peak performance...and it learns signals especially when elimination signals are continually ignored.  That's why constipation and chronic diarrhea are difficult to treat/change if there's no other organic reason except purely function.    But....it also has a well tuned protection mode of the colon....ie: fight or flight.....the hormones that are surged through the digestive tract can cause a quick elimination so that survival mechanism for the body will be at its peak.   That's why the emotional state of worry and desperation are important to recognise and easily used as a reason for bowel problems.  IBS is a prime example of that.   and most of us with UC have that as well.
 
Anyway...I found this site that's pretty basic, but can lead you to more searches.
 
 
quincy
 
 
*Heather*Status:mini flare June 23* 6asacol daily+ Salofalk (tapered every 4th night)
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals 
~Probiotic 2 (Natural Factors Protec) + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) at bedtime
~Natural Factors Multi Digestive Enzymes with supper
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!

Post Edited (quincy) : 11/14/2007 11:44:44 AM (GMT-7)


Ryoten
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   Posted 11/2/2009 4:18 PM (GMT -6)   
It should be known certain bacteria such as H. Pylori can cause mushy stools.
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