slippery elm and reflux

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sam1115
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   Posted 12/23/2012 11:36 AM (GMT -6)   
I have seen a few different places online regarding slippery elm helping to control reflux...anyone have experience or any knowledge of this?
Sam

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   Posted 12/23/2012 2:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Slippery elm is suppose to soothe inflammation.
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   Posted 12/23/2012 4:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Slippery elm, marshmallow root, DGL (deglycerinized licorice), might be the top three remedies I've seen posted here.

I drink tea with marshhmallow root and slippery elm, called Throat Coat, and also licorice tea. These seem to be soothing, used to supplement my restricted diet. I have tapered from PPI to Zantec, and now just taking TUMS as needed.

sam1115
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   Posted 12/23/2012 5:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Does the slippery elm work? How much of it do u take and how often?I am brand new to all of this so any advice is so much appreciated......
Sam

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   Posted 12/23/2012 5:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the info on throat coat :)

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   Posted 12/23/2012 5:26 PM (GMT -6)   
ARM, you are welcome!

Sam, try an Internet search, or you can even search this site. I have just used the teas. It is pretty quiet here, people are busy with holiday stuff. The people at stores like GNC are also sometimes quite helpful. They would be the long-time staff, maybe not working the next couple of days. Maybe a year I put in an order with Vitacost for several natural remedies to try. I wish you well and hope you are able to find comfort.

sam1115
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   Posted 12/23/2012 5:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm pretty depressed...I haven't felt good for going on 3 months... I don't know what has caused this, I don't know how to fix it or even make it better, my dr. doesn't seem too concerned, I don't know what to eat or drink... Afraid to eat, get reflux even when I don't eat, and don't personally know anyone going through this to ask them questions about it. And, I'm just plain scared that I will never get better.

sunbeam48
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   Posted 12/23/2012 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
As MudMagnetMum once said to me, your health will improve. She posts here often, and knows way more than I do about natural remedies. The docs aren't that helpful, I have learned way more hanging out here. This is a life- impairing but not a life-threatening condition. You will adjust in your own way, but it is hard at the beginning. Just where did my previous life go, where I ate healthy food and could work long hours in my garden? I don't know, but my life is still better than what so many other people have. You are grieving, that is normal.

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   Posted 12/23/2012 6:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, i'm sorry you feel so awful. I do too. I thought i would tell you what I'm eating maybe give you some ideas.

I only drink water and camomile tea with honey. Or just hot water with honey.

When i'm in really bad shape and hungry i dip graham crackers or saltines in my hot honey drink. I'm sure that's not you wanted to hear.

Dr. Kaufman says you have to stay on the induction phase of her diet for as long as you see improvement. Anyway here is what I eat/ate.

Breakfast -Egg White omelettes with baby spinach and a sprinkling of low fat cheddar.
or I have this cereal that is rice and millet. I like it. With rice milk which i also like.
Or a smoothie with low fat yoghurt, a banana, an apple and ice. I'm not sure that's on the induction phase but i do have them.

Lunch any kind of lean protein (fish, chicken Shellfish) with a salad and only a tablespoon of vinaigrette. If you don't feel like cooking you can roll up some sliced turkey breast or crack open a can of white tuna (in water) with the salad. Or gluten free whole wheat bread toasted with low fat cottage cheese.

Dinner - Rinse, repeat :)

Seriously I hate this at least as much as you do. The hardest part for me is no wine and eating like a bird. i'm not even a big eater! I'm 5'7" and 125 lbs but i'im starving on this diet. Also not reclining and not sleeping until 3 or4 hours after dinner is doing my head in. I've been eating at 5 just so i can go to sleep at a decent time. So I eat alone.

Ok so I know I have to put on my big girl hat and do this. Itsucks and it's hard to treat but it's not Cancer, so we have to buck up and do it. I am firmly convinced (maybe i'm delusional)that i can go back to eating tomatoes and wine and fatty stuff at some point, just maybe one at a time and not very often. Sorry to ramble but i just wanted to reach out because i'm feeling the same way. I went out and bought sugar free vanilla wafer cookies. When igot home with them Inoticed it might not have Sugar but it sure had fat. I ate them anyway and will probably pay dearly for that tonight or tomorrow.

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   Posted 12/23/2012 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Sam1115. 'Heartburn Out' is a spray with cocentrated aloe, slippery elm and marshmallow. It is available in Walgreens and various health food stores. It is easy to use, convenient and has been helpful. May be worth a try. You mentioned seeing a doctor. What did he tell you to do. Did he tell you to raise the head of your bed up to avoid refluxing up into your esophagus. Did he tell you to stop eating three hours befor bed. Did he give you medicine or tell you to lose weight and avoid fat, acid food, coffee, carbonated beverages. Sam, you will get better as you adjust your life. It will allow healing to take place. This forum is very helpful and we feel sad that you feel bad.

sam1115
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   Posted 12/23/2012 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks so much for all of your thoughts and tips.... exactly what I need, thank you!!!!!!! I have several questions in regards to some of the things you all have written... What is marshmallow? and what is the Kaufman diet? I have learned the hard way that I can't have milk or decaf coffee.. took a while to figure those two out as I had no idea they would be irritants..but boy are they! What about this apple cider vinegar I have been reading about??? seems contradictory since it's acidic, and our problem is acid...??? Thanks for the food examples Thegspeak... very much appreciated.. My doctor didn't tell me anything at all... other than He thinks my problem is gerd and gave me a script for prilosec... which by the way..didn't help one bit (but the only modification I had made was cutting out spicy foods). I finally called him back and told him it didn't help at all and he put me on dexilant 60mg daily..this along with figuring out the diet part has brought some relief..at least I don't feel like I have growths in my throat at this point. The swelling in my throat was so bad I was gagging/wretching and ended up in ER at one point...not having any clue what was wrong with me.. the ER doc deduced it was severe gerd (after blood work and a CT of my neck). Would it be wise to take zantac along with my ppi? I had tried famotidine but it gave me palpitations and made my heart race. I do now have the head of my bed raised, I have stopped eating 3 hours before bed, I have now cut out all dairy, spicy, fatty foods, no carbonated beverages or coffee. I'm really not too much over weight so I don't think that is an issue. I guess I want to know if it ever gets better at all??? will I always be eating little to nothing and drinking only water?? Should I have more tests done? Should I be taking something else in addition to what I am taking? Lots of questions I have, I Know..sorry!!! clearly a newbie... you have no idea how helpful you all have been already...
Sam

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   Posted 12/24/2012 7:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Sam,
My special interest here is diets for GERD. The Koufman Diet can be effective for people with LPR (throat symptoms), developed by an ENT specialist. The Fast Track for Heartburn diet is based on digestive science, was developed by a microbiologist, Dr. Norman Robillard. I have threads going on each of these diets here if you want more information, just scroll down until you see the title. They are very different diets.

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   Posted 12/24/2012 8:35 AM (GMT -6)   
I've dabbled a fair bit with the herbs. Marshmallow capsules didn't help my stomach especially but I think are good for general irritation of the digestive tract. They certainly helped my bladder through a bad phase too. I chew DGL in the mornings if I wake up with any symptoms, especially nausea. I have used marshmallow tea in the past (Throat Comfort Tea) for sore throats related to colds, but currently cannot tolerate any form of tea. Licorice tea also just brings on heartburn. I am currently (last 2 months or so) finding milk thistle capsules very helpful for reflux (or sensation of reflux - I don't really know how much actual reflux I get and suspect I had more sensation than actual reflux!).

Acupuncture is also helping me.

As Sunbeam said it's a long road but eventually most people find some combination of things that makes life liveable again. It may not make life as it used to be (as my stomach painfully reminded me when I had the world's ever smallest glass of red wine this week........) but you should reach a point where you can manage daily life. It's all about finding the right combination of medication, diet, supplements and lifestyle changes. And for some nothing works except surgery. Some have surgery and still have some restrictions, though that is more unusual.

And don't forget, a lot of those who get completely better tend to disappear from the forum, so there's kind of a lop-sided view of the world here!

Personally I didn't find adding Ranitidine to the ppi helpful - if anything I just got generally sick from the amount of medication I was taking. Some people use Ranitidine to help taper down a ppi dosage, but you should discuss medication and further investigations (have you had a scope?) with your PCP/GP. Although the tests don't always help pin the diagnosis down, it is reassuring to have some things ruled out. Usually people get tested for Helicobacter and coeliac disease at the time of their first scope - so make sure that doesn't get overlooked!

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sam1115
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   Posted 12/24/2012 8:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks all for your insights.. do any of you use the organic apple cider vinegar? And is yogurt ok to eat? And MMM..no I have not had an egd..my doc is referring me to a gastro doc so I am sure that is next on my to do list.
Sam

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   Posted 12/24/2012 10:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Sam1115. Suggestion ! Go to Amazon.com and type in Dropping Acid. When her book comes up tap on the Look Inside. This takes you to another page then tap Look Inside again. The doctor is very generous with many many pages direct out of her book. There is a lot of helpful information and towards the end there are at least four page listing of foods that are good and bad. Some recipes too. Also symptoms too. We also own the book and the pages are straight out of the book. Give it a real good try and relief from the diet occurs slowly but well worth it. Stay in touch with the doctor and do one thing at a time so you can judge what is helping you. Your referral to a GI doctor is the next step with some additional tests coming. I personally would not do the vinegar. We are not docs on this forum but we want to help each other soooooo much. Cheers!

Pat Fill
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   Posted 12/24/2012 10:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Sam1115. Go to this link on this forum and you will find it loaded with low acid information.

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=2210975

sam1115
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   Posted 12/24/2012 1:34 PM (GMT -6)   
HI Pat..thanks much! I had just ordered that book this morning! I have been diligent with not eating. Or drinking many things and it seems to be helping..except that I am so hungry ........
Sam

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   Posted 12/24/2012 4:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Sam. I know what you're going through. I tried the Koufman diet for a few weeks, and it did help quite a bit. Thought it didn't get rid of the LPR completely. Maybe if I gave it more time, perhaps months, the LPR might have disappeared. The problem I had is that I just couldn't get enough calories on that low-fat diet. I kept losing weight. I'm 5'9", and I'm now about 140 lbs. I feel much better at around 150 or 155. So, like Sunbeam, I'm going to try the Fast Tract Digestion diet.

Here's my story. I've been eating healthy for the past 7 years. Lots of fruits and veggies. Lots of sweet potatoes and olive oil. And lots of lean meat and seafood. It's a paleo diet. Everything was going great until the winter of 2010-2011. I began struggling with depression (something that I've experience off and on in life). I searched around some paleo diet forums and eventually found this diet called "The Perfect Health Diet". I decided to give it a try. This was in July 2011. It's a very high-fat diet (about 65% of calories from fat, mostly saturated and monounsaturated). But it allows 400 to 600 calories from "safe starches" (white rice, sweet potatoes, etc.). So in addition to the large amounts of olive oil, I added quite a bit of butter and coconut oil. And I continued to eat a large amount of vegetables and fiber (mostly broccoli, carrots and zucchini).

Up until I tried this diet, I never had any problems with LPR ("silent reflux"). And I almost never experienced heartburn on the paleo diet. But after a few days on this really high-fat diet, I noticed a sour stomach. And then a really bitter taste in my mouth. And then, soon after that, I first noticed the sensation of having a lump in my throat. And having to clear my throat often. So I gave up that diet. The reflux mostly went away, but not entirely. The symptoms will get better for a while (though never gone completely), but then come back for a while.

So like I said, I'm going to try the Fast Tract Digestion diet. I bought the book. He recommends a diet that reduces or avoids the following types of carbohydrates: fructose, lactose, fiber, resistant starch, and sugar alcohols (like sorbitol). Obviously, we all need a certain amount of fiber; we just don't want to overdo it. These carbohydrates are not digested quickly, and so may end up feeding harmful bacteria in our intestines, leading to small intestine bacterial overgrowth (SIBO). Those bacteria belong in the colon, not the small intestine. When the bacteria munch on those difficult-to-digest carbohydrates, they produce lots of gas. This gas exerts pressure on the stomach, causing some of the stomachs contents (acid and such) to be forced up into the esophagus.

Sunbeam created a thread on the Fast Tract Digestion diet. I'm going to post my progress there.

So anyways, I understand what you're going through. I hope you find something that relieves your symptoms. I hope we all do. Hang in there!
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