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Bella33
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   Posted 5/20/2014 12:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Anyone taking Ritalin to think better and talk or is given to a loved one that is working well?

Chotti
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   Posted 5/28/2014 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Bella,

Have u had a diagnosis for ADD/ADHD? It slows down the thinking process...
http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/news/20031204/brain-scans-reveal-adhd-differences

ADHD runs in our family. I have taken Ritalin off & on. Only to focus on one or two things at a time. Otherwise most ADHD CHARACTERISTICS CAN RUN ME RAGGAD. Never finishing anything constantly distracted by association. It helps me focus better and I had zero accidents. (Sprains vs breaks.)It helped me to slow down and a lot less daily frustration,aggravation. See cat scan online of an ADHD brain vs a normal brain. Neurons jump around in the brain scatter around rather than thinking thru in a chain like a step latter sequence normal brain thinking analogy.

Hyper is not all negative as we get a bad wrap... I am ADHD & proud of it... It has it's pay offs. Taking meds for better focus depends on the diagnosis. The past few years I have landscaped 3 acres from nothing into a beautiful woodland garden. We do yearly tours of the garden, raising money for scholarships for horticulture graduates from HS. ADHD has been a learning curve for a better focus with coping skills. It has it ups & downs just a different thought process.

There are time released Ritalin capsules easier when it wears off every day for sleep. It feels really awful....also addictive. It can cause sleep issues if taken to late in the day. Anyone Truly DIAGNOSED with ADHD can actually slow down the thinking process with meds.... Less hyper or daydreaming . If it does not slow u down u maybe should try something else.

Important to follow the drs. advice with any medication . Also there are other meds to help focus on tasks. ie: Adderall also time released.

It won't hurt to try if u don't like it, U have a choice of other meds or not take any meds. Do some research.

If u have other questions don't be a stranger. I am here for u.
More INFO on Ritalin.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Adderall_vs_Ritalin
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Bella33
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   Posted 5/28/2014 10:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry I wasn't too clear with this. My mom has Parkinsons with dementia. I read articles where studies have been done on elderly people taking Ritalin for apathy and to wake up. While it calms the nerves in ADHD folks it does the opposite to old people.

My mom is super sensitive with medication so I was only thinking of giving her the lowest dose of 5mg and only once a day. I tried Amantadine on her last month and it worked but.. her balance was off so I had to stop it. Of course I need to show the articles to her doctor to see if he will let her try it.

Thanks for writing. I hardly ever get responses on this website. It's a shame.

Chotti
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   Posted 5/28/2014 11:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Bella,
Sorry I know what ya mean my topics are rarely answered. It's better to enter a thread on the discussion or close to it. Or ask a moderator.

Ok got a better picture . Explains the question stimulation to the brain. It also stimulates other organs while on these drugs they make me feel shaky & my heart races when they wear off. Also again when the drug wears off I am starved because they are also appetite suppressants.
Any stimulant given to anyone without ADHD BRAIN DISFUNCTION the neurons are not hitting the proper pathways in the brain a broken link in the pattern of thinking. Meaning they are scattered throughout the brain. PLZ see link on CAT scans normal brain vs ADHD. This will help u understand.
http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/news/20031204/brain-scans-reveal-adhd-differences

Ritalin speeds up the neurons in the brain in order to link them together thru the entire thought process to think thru one task at a time.
No matter what the age young or old Ritalin will speed them up if not ADHD,mentally( making her mentally more sped up /confused not normal..) & physically.

On the street Ritalin & other drugs in the same class are called speed. Sold on the black market for a "high". It is considered a mind altering drug. That is the effect of speed/Ritalin those without ADHD. Those with ADHD Ritalin slows us down. Thinking stops racing and a train of thought can be completed without constant interruption.

Remember these drugs are addicting and the Body builds up a resistance requiring higher doses . Research on the science and studies
May help. It is hard for me to imagine. I'm resistant to this medication for Parkinson's it is for two different brain disorders. I would never consider giving my mom speed . Only because I take it & know the side effects.

See study link below for Parkinson's disease Ritalin effects. Studies I would sincerely questions in this case . However with the side effects vs the helpful effects it wouldn't hurt to try, keep in mind the mental stress and stress effects on the body. Shakiness & intense hunger, heart palpitations every day when the drug wears off as well as addiction.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/040507082157.htm
My best guess would be that the dr would have to weigh the benefits with the side effects for Parkinson's

Hope this gives u insight and can help u make a informed decision & with the judgement of the dr.
"As long as there is breath there is hope, LIFE is a GIFT. "

Post Edited (Chotti) : 5/29/2014 12:00:04 AM (GMT-6)


Bella33
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   Posted 5/29/2014 7:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the link. That's the one I saw along with others. I have asked her doctors for it before and both of them in the past said no because like you said it's speed and may cause heart attacks. However I'm still thinking of in terms of the smallest dose per day. My mom's brain is so slow that perhaps in her case it will benefit and not suffer any of side effects you mentioned because it's so little taken.

Amantadine liquid is to be taken 10mg twice a day. I was only giving my mom 5mg a day and it was good enough to make her stay awake. Unfortunately I found out it is not to be taken with Namenda which my mom takes so I had to stop it.

I have a friend's son that takes it and she said it's a wonderful drug. I know everything is case by case so unless it's tried I'll never know. Standard PD drugs is not working right for my mom and she's already at her limit because the dykinesia has caused her to lose 13 teeth in the course of the year.

Marijuana is "bad" and make people high but taken by the right reasons it works wonders. Right?

Chotti
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   Posted 5/29/2014 2:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Bella,

The effects of Ritalin at the lowest level could be a factor to give clear thinking in ur moms case or keep her awake, or do both ...during the day . Again in a brain with ADHD THAT IS THE CASE...

In the elderly not necessarily the case. Neurons in ADHD & Parkinson's in the brain have 2 entirely different disorders of the brain.

It is a help with children with ADHD... THEY STILL SUFFER THE SIDE EFFECTS. Addiction later in life also a inclination to be addicted to other drugs according to many studies. In children with severe ADHD....counseling , structure at all times, special classes in school, often the child is above average in intelligence however other learning disabilities and character disorders are involved. And medication. These 3 carefully orchestrated & monitored at all times.. The trinity of ADHD treatment works well. However many fall thru the cracks...
How are u going to include that treatment for UR mother. Behavioral studies are difficult to access in any case, let alone those with Parkinson's. There are developmental studies proven for over 50 years that Ritalin helps children with ADHD. Yet the down side to that study... & there are down sides to every study, show 82% of this countries prisoners are ADHD. That to me is a oxymoron, when today's treatment for ADHD is a standard yet a total failure in 82% of those in prisons across the country.

The thought process needs to be nurtured, it cannot emerge by itself while on Ritalin or any mind altering drugs. Otherwise tics develop, suppression of emotional feelings can be the effect of non traditional treatments for behaviors UR trying to fix. It can only be fixed to a certain degree..is putting anyone on a drug that essentially speeds up the whole mind .. body as other factors come into play that we have no control over...

Again u and UR mothers dr. must realize the brain chemistry with Adderal, Ritalin & Amentadine, all have the SAME EFFECT ...TO speed up the brain to force neurons in the brain to connect in a secular fashion to complete a thought process in a non-diseased brain. ADHD is not a disease.

Bella even as much as u want UR mother to be better this ADHD medication is not the way to go. Ritalin has been around since the late 60's . If so why has it not been included in the normal treatments for Parkinson's.

Again 5 mg of Ritalin may or may not help,it's only a decision u & UR dr can make.... I understand UR desperation to help UR mom. I went thru a similar struggle with dementia & my mom had ADHD. RITALIN was not even considered for her, to many health issues put her at serious risk. Remember this is a drug that the body becomes resistant with each dose and the dose must be increased accordingly. A start at 5 mg. will evolve into a 25mg to a higher dose witch most certainly would cause increased side effects.

Children & adults who take ritalin for ADHD vs Parkinson's patients have 2 entirely different brain disorders. Deterioration of the brain vs neurons that have gone wild frantically racing thru the brain in a connective unruly fashion awake and hustling around like a pinball machine to make connections faster & faster. Ritalin slows this function down in true ADHD BRAINS. It helps to think ahead to plan a thought out before just randomly blurt out anything in a uncontrolled dysfunctional out of control exhibit thru distraction in our own brain from the original subject in the thought process in the first place.U can tame the neurons to a certain degree. Classic success in real life for ADHD seems out of reach thru many drug treatments.

I am with UR doc on this. My mom passed yet I knew that there was very little I could do to improve her life other than keep her comfortable & accept the circumstances of her illness. Believe me I tried everything I could. I did not want to loose my mom I was very young.

I wish I had better news from my personal experience . My son, mom & myself have ADHD. It is hereditary in my family traced back to great grand parents.

There is never a clear cut solution to treatments for most diseases I hope u have a better understanding .. Any questions on Ritalin treatment should be done with the supervision of a doc. He flip side his could cause the Parkinson's to worsen.

Perhaps finding a support group for urself with others sharing the same disease will help give u some peace. I wish u the best in the struggles ahead..may The Lord be with on this journey. Many hugs & blessings sent UR way.

Peace, Luv, & Laughter
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Bella33
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   Posted 5/29/2014 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I see what you're saying but I'm not giving up. There has to be something more I can do other than let it be. Only when you give up then it is done. Thanks. I'll see what the doctor says. I think like any drugs not all will cure everyone so perhaps that's why it's never put on the must list for PD. There's always provigil as my 2nd choice. Any thoughts on that? My goal is to make my mom stay awake more. Right now she's only awake like 3 hours at most and that's spread out time. Everything shuts down when you sleep and that's her problem. When she was on Amantadine she was awake and talking more than now. If only it didn't interfere with her mobility other wise she would still be on it now.

So are you on Ritalin still?

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   Posted 5/29/2014 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Have u thought about treating UR mom to teas.. Flavored? They have a lot of caffeine yet they too can make the heart race IF to much. Amount given will be a fine line just like any other meds. Or Caffeine drinks. Ask the doc.

I totally understand UR goal. Is that in her best interest to stay awake more? Perhaps doing exercise or structuring her time to interactive time with her will stimulate & train the brain in a more positive direction. Getting her a cat... Any pet? Bird. Those are the things that add comfort and entertainment...focus... Perhaps a friend with a dog or cat . U can contact a hospital that uses pets for the elderly & hook u up. I did that for years.. They wake up and stay interactive longer with a pet. Play time etc.

No I cannot take any drug that speeds up my heart rate. I am in my late 60's. I do however have control over my movements ... With Many types of arthritis and hip joint replacements & FM. So I have no choice but to physically slow down. I can honestly say that I understand my disabilities mentally and physically. I do take anti depressants which I have had as a life long issue with ADHD. HEY Einstein had ADHD!

I have no experience with Provigil. I will look it up. If a stimulant of any type not a solution. Activity is a good positive solution for her....keep her interacting with various structured activities. It's tricky but as u say don't give up on finding activities that work for her needs.
Worked very well for my mom with dementia she had a noisy little chihuahua. Yikes my least fav dog and I am the biggest dog lover ever. That was her choice and she helped take care of her pet. Wake her up in time to feed her pup etc. then it's not u doin the chore it's the dog. A Whole different driving mechanism.
Interaction with her is good for u both! Plz check w/ur local hospital into cognitive behavioral therapists for her, that is another direction to help ur mom. turn
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Post Edited (Chotti) : 5/29/2014 3:56:05 PM (GMT-6)


Bella33
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   Posted 5/29/2014 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
My mom has no interest in anything. Well.. I take that back. She likes to flip the comforter up and down but that only lasts about 3 minutes and then she has to sit down due to a fractured lower back. I take her for walks but that lasts 10 minutes and then she's exhausted.

She drinks lipton tea every morning with her oatmeal but that does nothing for her. She was a heavy coffee drinker before so caffeine doesn't do much for her since her body is used to it.

I thought getting her the Wii game when it was popular but her brain is too slow to follow. Once she played pinball on my computer but that was with me holding her hands down and pushing the buttons for her. When she was well she was an avid slot machine player. She LOVED it but once the machines stopped shooting out coins she lost interest. She likes the sound it makes and seeing the reward of her labor. Sometimes technology just sucks!

If I got her animal then I have to take care of that too. She was never into them anyways. She gave away my 5 cats when I was small. They came to me as strays and I loved them dearly.

I have tried everything but her lack of focus and interest is my enemy. You are smart to keep yourself busy and stimulated. That's the key.

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   Posted 5/29/2014 4:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Bella,
I don't know what else to offer in this case. I am very limited in my experience with PD . This can take a toll on u. I hope UR taking care of yourself.

I wish u well in UR search for helping ur mom. I gave u my best on this subject. There is never a clear cut solution in these situations.

PLZ keep me posted if u have success with any further treatments.

Peace, Luv & Laughter
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Bella33
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   Posted 5/29/2014 4:16 PM (GMT -6)   
My mom's problem is more with her dementia then Parkinsons. Thanks so much for listening. Take care too.

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   Posted 5/30/2014 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Bella,

Thanku for listening. I hope u can get UR mom's meds sorted out.
You are very much a devoted kind loving daughter. I should be so lucky when I need someone down the line.
Bless u & UR mom.

Peace, Luv & Laughter
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Bella33
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   Posted 5/30/2014 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Me too. haha I'm alone and never married. Not looking forward to old age.

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   Posted 5/30/2014 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Good attitude. Hope u can enjoy life now and into the twilight years.
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Bella33
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   Posted 5/30/2014 2:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Only if I win the lottery. :)

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   Posted 5/30/2014 2:15 PM (GMT -6)   
If ya do u know where to find me !
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