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itsokay
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   Posted 6/11/2008 11:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello,

I have had anxiety for all of my life, to varying degrees. Usually it revolves around social situations. Nowadays, I can teach classes, or do public speaking with pleasure, but a family event, like the one happening this reunion, or an event at my son's school like a pot-luck, sends me into panic overdrive.

I've been reading a lot about anxiety and panic today, because my mother was really desperate for me to go to the family reunion this weekend. She said she felt she would die shortly after the event if I wasn't there, and that my not being there ruined the whole event, and many more such intense things.

I started doing a lot of research today so I could send her some links and maybe she could understand that I am not doing this on purpose. At the same time, I feel terrible to be triggering some big emotional reaction in her because of my panic reaction! Whose needs are greater???

Anyway, the anxiety and panic are becoming more and more common since I got involved with my SO a year and a half ago. Turns out that he is a person who needs to escape when he is feeling stressed or depressed. He goes off with friends and disappears. Maybe just a few hours, or maybe for an entire evening or even overnight sometimes. (I know he's not cheating, but can't explain here).

Even if he goes to the corner store for cigarettes and then disappears for an hour or two, I can go into a deep panic - fearing he is abandoning me, or that he is cheating, or that he doesn't love me and prefers anyone and everyone over me. It has gotten increasingly worse - although his behavior has actually improved. It is worse now because I have an instant reaction to just hearing his keys or seeing him put his shoes on. I have tried to change my behavior and managed to make it through 3 nights of him gone when he got angry at what he considers my neurotic problem, and needed to go away for three days, and not be in touch. I thought I would die but I actually didn't (!) and came through it stronger.

Last week I told him I needed a break until he could decide whether he wanted to try to try to come up with compromises that meet both our needs (like calling more often, or picking up when I call him - he won't because he doesn't want to feel like he's on a leash....).

Anyway, after some miscommunication, we finally ended up with him back in the house, and us agreeing to live together but move towards breaking up. We've both been unemployed and he just got a job recently, so neither of us can afford to live alone right now. I said that I wanted to move towards breaking up because I feel like the almost daily panics are draining me of the energy I need to look for work, etc. Does anyone else get exhausted by either the panic or the work it takes to steer away from a panic?

The first couple of days he was loving and sweet, and said he was really sad to think of losing me and was confused. Now, a few days later, he has once again spent hours away every night with friends. I am rarely included in his life with his friends. We have no friends in common. I don;t have enough friends or social contact right now, which makes me more isolated-feeling and more easily panicky.

Tonight he came home at 9:00 and left again at 10:00, after a brief talk in which he told me that he couldn't believe I was hurting my mother like this, and I tried to read him stuff about panic and anxiety, and he said he thought there's more going on that I am ignoring. Then he did something alone for awhile, then went out.

I feel this dead feeling inside, and the urge to cry. Did I mention that he also thinks that me asking him for a hug is manipulative?

Along with some other huge stressors in my life right now, I am feeling like this relationship is actually triggering the anxiety. Does anyone know about that? Can a relationship just be too toxic for anxiety-prone people?

percycat
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   Posted 6/12/2008 2:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello and welcome! I'm sorry that you're finding us at such a tough time for you.

In my opinion, your relationship sounds too toxic for anyone, anxiety-prone or not. I have to point out that I was involved with two extreme narcissists in my life, so my views are much colored by that. However, anyone who regularly refuses to answer the phone when his partner is calling, runs off alone "needing space," and especially calls a hug manipulative is sounding too much like a narcissist for my liking. (I could go on...) And those folks are extremely toxic.

Regardless of my own slant, this relationship does not sound healthy for you, and you and your partner have already discussed and recognized that for yourselves. Trying to function together with that decision between you is bound to be very stressful. Also, since he has so many friends, couldn't he move in with one of them for a while?

Hugs to you,
percycat

badfish
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   Posted 6/12/2008 5:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Itsokay, i can relate to your experiences alot anxiety keeps putting strain on my relationships.
There alot going on your life and his rite now, so your both bound to be stressed out and irritable, also your anxiety will prob be round wether ur in relationship or not.

I dont undastand y he thinks him giving u a hug is u being manipulative, that jus plain weird.

I agree wiv percycat (as usual) altho i want to say u wud prob find the relationship easier to deal with if you didn't have all the other stressors around you.

In case anything that means alot to me sets off my anxiety, the more it means to me the worse the anxiety, im slowly learning how to deal and mayb jus mayb 1day it wont effect me so much or I wil som1 who undastands.

Hugs to u itsokay and if u ever want to get anything off ur chest wer always here to listen

Gudluck wiv everthing
 


Georgie Girl
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   Posted 6/12/2008 5:50 AM (GMT -7)   

I don't blame you for feeling anxious.  You might ask yourself what you are getting from this relationship, because he sure doesn't seem to be providing much support - in fact, is making things worse by disappearing, not answering his phone, not letting you know when he'll return. 

I'm sorry you can't do the family reunion but you must do what you think is right for you. 

Krista

 

 


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thirstyforchrist
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   Posted 6/12/2008 6:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey hunny
I have that same problem with my mother and husband. They don't understand at all. It seems to them that I can just stop or turn off the anxiety, but I can't. There's been many a family function I didn't attend due to my anxiety. I haven't yet discovered a way to help them understand what I'm going through. I also don't think this SO relationship is good for you. I ended up marrying mine because I felt like I couldn't live without him. We're okay now, but it has been extremely hard. I feel for you. I have been and still am, exactly where you are. Maybe you could try saying a little prayer everytime you feel anxious. This helps me. I hope things get better for you. Have a great day! LOVE Ya
"There is hope for every man, a solid place where we can stand, in this dry in weary land, there is hope for every man... Jesus is hope for every man"  -Casting Crowns


harlan
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   Posted 6/12/2008 7:48 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow does this sound familiar.  I agree it's a toxic relationship but then again, I'm in one too and am having a problem letting go.  My husband is great and not the toxic one.  My toxic relationship is with someone I went to high school with that I have recently made contact with.  It's tough right now - he is very similar to your SO.  I feel the abandonment issues.  Do you have crying spells?  I wake up in the mornings with crying spells and anxiety.  By mid-day, usually, I feel better.   
 

stkitt
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   Posted 6/12/2008 10:07 AM (GMT -7)   

Hello itsokay,

Welcome to HealingWell and I am glad you found us.  I am sorry about your issues but it looks like you have met some of the new members and that's good.

I just had hand surgery yesterday so I am just dropping in to say hello. I will add more when hand is a bit better.

Take care and keep posting.

Hugs

Kitt


 

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itsokay
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   Posted 6/12/2008 11:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks all, and hope you heal fast, Kitt.

It means a lot to me to read people saying that it is weird to not answer my calls, etc. It is just "my" problem, to him. He often portrays it as if I'm crazy and neurotic, and portrays me to his friends like I'm just nuts. They sit there and listen to his phone ringing and ringing...

I'm not getting much from the relationship. Last night I read stuff to him about dealing with a loved one who has anxiety. He went out right after that and stayed out until after 3, even though his bosses already chastised him the day before for messing up at work due to this exact problem of staying up too late and coming to work exhausted. He's been there 3 weeks, and hasn't worked for 6 months. Last night I realized I can't expect him to support me now that I'm unemployed the way I did when he was unemployed. He hasn't really contributed financially since July. I am totally broke. I was considering taking a really high-interest, short term refinance, and then I'll have the money to make it alone until I get work. It's risky because I have to pay it back in a year, so I HAVE to have a good enough job to qualify for a better loan by then and who knows what the economy will be like then... But, it might just be the right thing to do. That way I could ask him to leave now. (ANd stay on one of those couches, as percycat says!!! That made me laugh).

It is hard because I have always suffered from that abandonment reaction, but this time I am feeling abandoned and unwanted by someone who is here (sort of). What is the good of that? I really need to let go and move on. That's the hardest thing for me to do - to let go of a relationship. I will stay through any bulls**t just so I won't be alone.

Interesting you bring up narcissism, percycat. My last bf definitely has CLASSIC Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Very cruel, manipulative, a liar, will do anything to make himself look good and manipulate people and etc. I never thought of the current one as being a narcissist. Incidentally, that last boyfriend was the first boyfriend I ever broke up with in my life. He was abusive and cruel and really awful. Took me 14 months but I got out.

One question- what kind of therapy do people find most useful? I am looking at CBT or Dialectic Behavioral Therapy or EMDR or....? I tried regular therapy for so long that I really want something more concrete and action-oriented.

harlan
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   Posted 6/12/2008 11:37 AM (GMT -7)   
I know exactly what you mean about putting up with BS just to not be alone.  You and I could be twins, it seems!  Read my post about bad relationships.  Does that sound familiar?
 
I'd love some coping skills or techniques to get over this, too!

itsokay
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   Posted 6/12/2008 1:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I tell you a funny thing about this relationship - because he abandons me SO frequently, I've actually gotten a bit better about the abandonment issues. He has pushed me and pushed me and I, like a good little people-pleaser, have managed to make some real changes in my behavior.

Who would've thought I'd ever be able to cope with this scenario, for example: I go to sleep around midnight one night, and he is restless so he goes out. He ends up at a friend's house and stays there all night (this is true, he wasn't cheating!), and the next day does this and that and never calls to check in. I wake up, he's gone, no call or text message or note. I move about through my day and don't even call him until after 3 pm. I'm not panicky or angry or ANYTHING. I can't believe I've been able to make that sort of detachment from my abandonment fear.

Of course, then it went downhill, because he was cold on the phone and evasive. Wouldn't really tell me what he was doing, wanted to get off the phone. Then I called back and he didn't answer. Didn't reply for hours, and by THEN I was in a full out panic attack with anger and fear eating away at me. Then, he got really upset that I was angry (his father yelled a lot) and broke up with me during that phone call! Came over with his friend, and got a big load of stuff... He came back a week later, but it was pretty awful. I thought it was over for good. What a mess, huh?

ONe thing that helps SOMETIMES is what I learned from one of those crisis lines, one night when he was out all night. I was hyperventilating and felt like I could not continue to exist without going insane, etc. and called the crisis line. The lady told me that I was feeling this way because I had no control of the situation that was hurting me. She told me to instead do something that I COULD control -even something small like folding laundry.

So I got up and did some work on the bathroom tile I was installing, and, heck, it really did calm me down.

Of course, in some panic attacks I am frozen like a rabbit being hunted, and to move from my position feels impossible.

thirstyforchrist
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   Posted 6/12/2008 5:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Maybe you are going through this toxic realationship so that you can become stronger. Yeah, I think I've become a little OCD about cleaning when I have anxiety. I usually end up breaking stuff, on an accident, so my tip is, don't do the dishes during a panic attack. HA HA. but I'm really serious.
"There is hope for every man, a solid place where we can stand, in this dry in weary land, there is hope for every man... Jesus is hope for every man"  -Casting Crowns


Honey Bee
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   Posted 6/13/2008 3:23 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi itsokay

I found your post really interesting and you seem to have a lot in common with people on here including me. I have just broken up with my husband of 20+ years or should I say he has broken up with me. I have been with him since we were 17, I lived with him 10,000 miles away from any family and he suffers from Bipolar Disorder Type I. Our life has been amazing in many ways and we really love each other, however it has also been a rollercoaster for me and at times has been very bad as well. I won't go into details here but he has been very physically and emotionally cruel at times. I have stayed without him through everything and of course I have made some big mistakes on the way as well.

However, due to my anxiety and panic which he now thinks have made him worse in his life I cannot 'detach' myself from him. I know if I could I would probably feel better but he still has a 'hold' on me emotionally even though I moved away (3 hour flight) and he is currently with someone else. We have been separated for 4 months and yet still he can upset me and influence me with one conversation. You are probably thinking then why am I still in touch with him but again it is hard to cut someone out of your life totally when you have spent this long with them. I am a grown woman but feel pathetic that this is the case. I know that in many ways he is toxic now, he can be an amazing person but can also be very cruel and knows just what to say to hurt me yet still I love this man and cannot separate myself from him. Towards the end he had spent a year in very deep depression due to the bipolar and I had to care for him and make sure he did not do anything silly. He now says that I smothered him and would not give him any independence. Like you I panicked when he went out and did this to a degree but also when he was ill I was trying to protect him but went to the other extreme. I have always been worried about being abandoned and in the end this is what has happened. I had the instant panic if I thought he was leaving for any length of time apart and thought that I would not get through a night alone on my own so understand how strong the feelings can be.

It is incredibly difficult, and I would say impossible even to try and explain to someone how you feel in this mode if they have never suffered from anxiety and panic attacks, they just don't go how out of control you feel, the fear and how hard it is to reign these feelings in. My husband had some small insight as he did have a small element of anxiety with his illness but nothing compared to what I have lived with for most of my life.

I know that this relationship was toxic in some ways but would have stayed through anything and have done which feels very shameful sometimes. If someone came to me and told me that they were going through the things that I have I would say they were mad and why were they staying but when you do not have much self confidence and I do believe in separation anxiety it is very hard to break away and leave.

So in answer to your question, I do believe that some relationships are too toxic for people like us, but also that in some strange way we are also drawn to people like this as well. You sound like you are doing better than you think, You have tried to change your behaviour, I have as well over many years, but it is very difficult when the fear hits you. You managed the three days on your own which is pretty great to me. I also understand the fact that he says you are manipulating him. I don't believe that we intentionally manipulate people but that when the panic hits your instincts kick in and you will do anything to be in a place where you do not have to feel this way. Of course saying a hug is manipulative is totally ridiculous.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts and experience I think you have a lot more insight and are a lot stronger than you are giving yourself credit for.

Take care

Honey Bee

Post Edited (Honey Bee) : 6/13/2008 4:31:44 AM (GMT-6)


stkitt
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   Posted 6/13/2008 5:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi itsokay
How are you this morning?  I am healing slowly.  Thank you for you nice comment.

I have to say how proud I am that our members have given you some great advice.  You are in a tough situation and my heart goes out to you. 
 
Please know I care and you are in my thoughts.  Stick with us as you have become a family member here and we are so happy to have you on board.
 
Hugs
Kitt
 

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peacesoul
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   Posted 6/13/2008 5:52 AM (GMT -7)   
This thread reminds me of one of my fav songs.
Woman with a need for love and little self esteem are in very dysfunctional relationships. I know, I've been there
 
Artist: Holly McNarland
Song: Numb
 
Chase destruction of your own emotions
And your need for love, makes you easy prey
Safety of the rubber glove seems much too simple
Climbing up and down, waiting for the day
 
You can't see if I'm not listening
You can't hear with my eyes open
I can hate with my eyes open
I feel better when i'm numb
 
Chase distraction of your own existance
Keep it clean, clean enough to stab
Lick your own wounds, anxious for the next one
Cry for more pain, heal what you have
 
Just another hit for the one you love
If you cared at all, you'd put me down
Wake up dead man, can't you see I'm starving'
Wake up dead man, can't you see I'm starvin'
 
You can't see if I'm not listening
You can't hear with my eyes open
I can't hate with my eyes open
I feel better
I feel better
I feel better when I'm numb
I feel better when i'm numb
 
The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places
 


itsokay
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   Posted 6/13/2008 10:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Stkitt: You are right, these people are giving me such incredible support and advice. From the reading I've done on the forum so far, I have to say this is the most sane board I've ever seen! So far I haven't read anything remotely like what I see in so many other places- the "flaming" and put downs. People here seem to be unusually kind and supportive. I'm sure it can't all be that rosey, but this is what I've seen so far. Good job, folks! Perhaps people with anxiety issues are more aware of others' feelings??

Honeybee: thank you for that reply. I find it extremely instructive to read about the experiences other people have. Don't you? It somehow highlights our own live in a new way, and allows us to consider our own situations from an outside perspective.

My sister just emailed me about a book she is reading - Eat Pray Love. . I want to read it now, and thought you might benefit from it, too, fro the sounds of your story. Here's her description:
"It was a very heartfelt book and really touched me. The woman is writing at the beginning about her terrible divorce and her boyfriend that she loves but can't be with because she is too clinging and he is too reclusive ("he is catnip and kryptonite to me"), and takes off for Italy, India and Indonesia for a year. I can't tell you all the bits - but if you can fathom reading a book, read this one. She is a despondent person who realizes she needs to do something different. Much of the book is about emptying herself of her anger, and self-hatred, and learning forgiveness and how to live again."

Peacesoul: I love those lyrics- I never heard of that artist. I'll look her up! I've been making a lot of music, or trying to, and I just wrote a song last week about quitting the relationship. One of the verses is:

Your face
Looks like home to me
But our home
Is so unhappy.
It's the place you leave
When you need
To run away from me.
You go away from me,
You need to get away,
Go away, get away.
You need to get away from me.

The last part changes from me singing about how he seems to need to go away from me to singing that he needs to get away from me. From an observation to a command.

Last night I went out alone just because I couldn't stand how I was feeling around him- wanting to connect with him, but sensing his withdrawal and reluctance to be open or available. Rather than either pushing him in to the same old, useless conversation, searching for answer or reassurance that he cannot or will not ever give me, I just took $20 and went to a local place to play the video lottery. I ended up talking with an older, retired guy, and instead of losing my $20 to the lottery machines, as I usually do, I ended up with over $300 bucks. The fellow bought me two drinks, and chattered away. He was clearly interested in me. I must admit that I did not return the interest (he is one of those people that only talks of himself, and shows no interest in anyone else's comments. Ugh!). Still, it was good to get a bit of attention. I know that people, and men people, too, like me and want to get to know me, and I think it's important to get out there more and feel that more. This relationship has really lowered my already low self-esteem.

On the way home, I stopped and wrote him a note, telling him that he COULD try to address these issues he has- the need to run away and never let people really get close to him. Earlier I had tried telling him how very lonely I was feeling, living with him but so separate in our lives and thoughts. He said he understood and that he was very lonely too, and had nobody he could really talk to. I said how silly it was that we were both feeling so lonely and disconnected. "Why don't we open up to ach other and be friends with each other?" I mused out loud. He, of course, had no answer.

In my note, I said that we are at a cross roads. We could choose the road which would require him to attempt moving one step outside of his comfort zone, and try to really connect with another human for the first time in his adult life. If he took that risk, he could still end up choosing to leave the relationship, or go back into his box, but at least he would've tried. I said if he can't do that, we will instead take the road that separates us permanently.

He read the note. His comment was, "When do I have to decide?" I gave him a week, sort of jokingly, sort of seriously.

But this morning I feel like it was foolish to write that note. It was those drinks the older guy bought me talking. How many times do I think that if I just REPHRASE the question he will choose to be with me and make things better? He simply won't ever do so. Yet, he doesn't want us to get a bed for him to set up in a separate room, he wants to stay in the same bed, he doesn't want to move out, he wants the comfort of my presence, without putting in the work it would take to make things good. He is saying, "Come here, but not too close, but don't go away, but don't ask me to stay." It is a ridiculous dance.

The best part of the night was that I got home after 3 am. When I left he was nearly asleep. When I came home he was awake, waiting for me. I am NEVER the one that is out late like that, and I could tell it had bothered him at least a little, and that he had not been able to sleep, just like I'm not able to sleep when he is gone.

Anyway, I ramble on. Sorry.

harlan
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   Posted 6/16/2008 2:07 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey itsokay....how are you?  Haven't heard from you in a couple of days (unless I missed your post).  How are things?

 

 


itsokay
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   Posted 6/16/2008 2:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Harlan, Thanks for Asking! I started to feel like I was posting wayyyy too much, because I like to write so much, so I took a few steps back to Think rather than Apply Ink.

I'm doing OK. Actually things seem good with the relationship at the moment. We had a huge blowout on Friday, which included my anxiety building and building, and this caused me to treat him very rudely, I admit, and caused him to get very angry at me, which caused me to get angry back and tell him how much I wish he could see how things feel from my side.

I was totally and completely ready to ask him to please exit the building and find housing on a couch. . I would've insisted on it, but he was too tired. He couldn't really stay awake, and I didn't have the heart to make him go find a couch at midnight...

So, I sat there in the bedroom, as he fell asleep. Idly I picked up a book my sister-in-law had mailed me. It's called, "Getting the Love You Want." I started reading it and - holy cow! - it was describing me and my BF. Perfectly. It described every stage of the relationship so far. AND why it is happening, AND how to fix it. And it gave me such hope. I started reading a tiny bit to him, and he wanted more, and then more.

So, in the 2 days since, things have been gentle and normal again. I'm not anxious. I know it will all turn around again on a dime, but right now it's ok. And he agreed to go to one of these workshops, based on this book... so, we'll see.

So, back to looking for work and etc. !

How are YOU?

harlan
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   Posted 6/16/2008 2:51 PM (GMT -7)   

Look at how much I've posted in the past few days.  That is probably posting way too much - haha!  If I'm having a bad day, I'm going to post.   You should do the same.  Even if you feel like you're posting too much, if you don't feel good, post anyway.  Or even email me directly and we can post too much to each other's inboxes....haha!

I remember having hubby blowouts....oh yes I do.  They're not pleasant but sometimes you feel better afterwards.

That's awesome about the book and his reaction to it!  I hope things work out for you two.  Just try and keep him on task and don't let him change his mind about doing these things!

I'm ok....one minute I'm crying and the next minute I'm happy.  Honestly, when my friend leaves, I will be glad to get back to some normalcy around the house.  I am in serious need of normalcy!

 

 

itsokay
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   Posted 6/16/2008 5:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, Harlan, I really hope that when "Friend" is gone you will get some relief from the yo-yo ride. It is so draining, isn't it? It gets in the way of the rest of my life to be dealing with the anxiety. It distracts me, sometimes I have to freeze up and just lie still on the bed, and feel like I can't even change positions, I don't know why. I imagine it's how rabbits feel when they are in danger. I call it an emotional coma, no offense to anyone who really is in a coma, but it feels like I shut down and am totally inward, inside of a box that has very thick insulation. I mostly hate how it affects my son, because I just have a hard time "faking normal" when I am in the emotional hunted rabbit phase....

So I think I maybe can imagine how draining this whole strange experience is for you!

You know, we KNOW logically, that it will pass, but when you are dealing with the anxiety in the moment it is so hard to remember this fact...

stkitt
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   Posted 6/16/2008 5:27 PM (GMT -7)   

itsokay,

I am so glad you have stuck with the group and you are giving as much as you are receiving so thank you to you for being here for all of us.  That is what makes this forum so special,  the people care for each other.

Gentle Hugs
Kitt


 

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itsokay
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   Posted 6/17/2008 2:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow, that's a pretty darn nice message, coming from such an obviously giving person! It really does strike me that there's a lot of caring going around.
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