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debriel
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   Posted 8/11/2008 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
I have started "manufacturing" kidney stones...large ones. Does anybody see this happening in their neck of the woods? I understand that the tainted pet food that killed so many dogs and cats two years ago was causing BIG kidney stones that literally killed them. I am worried that some of the same "stuff" that was found in the pet food may have made its way into OUR food as well. Nearly every family I can think of has been affected by kidney problems and usually kidney stones to go with it in the past few years. BIG ones or a lot of them.
 
The melamine in the hydrolyzed protein coming in from China was the culprit in the pet food. As it was combined with tap water containing a chemical chlorine solution (cyanuric acid) readily used in water treatment systems today which four years ago was only approved for outdoor swimming pool use. The two components ignite a "super molecular aggregate" which I would interpret that to be a large stone.
 
This research was done through autopsies on the cats and dogs that were being killed by the pet food. A chemist by the name of Perry Martos at the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada revealed this to be happening. I just wonder if the same thing is happening to HUMANS. This is my second BIG stone. The first one I had two years ago...as big as a golf ball. Now here I go again...this time TWO of them. I live in a small town where we have had at least half a dozen people have major kidney surgery in the past two years with two people having to remove a kidney. I have friends and relatives that this is happening to and they don't live anywhere near this place. Can anyone offer any feedback? This worries me...My 28 year old son had to be brought down off a flight from Boise to Oakland with a kidney attack just last month...and at the same time on the other side of the country near Ohio a good friend's daughter was brought down from a flight with the same thing. I am really beginning to see a trend here.
 
Debriel

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   Posted 8/11/2008 10:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Debriel
 
Welcome to HealingWell.  I have not heard of these giant kidney stones in humans in  our area or for that matter by anyone but I could have missed this news.
 
I do have this link to the Pet Food mystery by Perry :
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/03/tech/main2758089.shtml

Someone else may have info on the topic you have discovered.

Again a warm welcome.

Kitt


 


 

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badfish
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   Posted 8/12/2008 5:39 AM (GMT -7)   

i found nothing on kidney stones but have found articles on other chemicals in imported food and pharmaceuticals prodcuts which can cause kidney damage. Since these other chemicals have a wide range symptoms not jus kidney failure they  cant be a chemical causing kidney stones.

I gona do bit more research n il get bak to u.


 


badfish
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   Posted 8/12/2008 5:58 AM (GMT -7)   
ok did some reading on jus kidney stones turns out there really common 1 out of 10ppl will get 1 at some point in their life, and the chances of kidney stones recurring is quite high. If alot of ppl in your town have them it probably dietary since diets high in meat, poultry n particulary fish add to your chances of getting a kidney stone.

Their is a chemical which can form in canned fish which can make up the largest type of kidney stones this chemical is also produced by bacteria during a UTI. (Struvite)

I think kidney stones are just common because of the modern diet rather than a chemical supplements in our foods causing them to form.

hehe it was fun reading up on stuff feel like im at Uni again
 


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   Posted 8/12/2008 7:25 AM (GMT -7)   

badfish,

Glad you are looking into this and learning about kidney stones.  I am not sure there is a problem but do click on the link I left re the dog food and the kidney stones.

Kitt


 

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badfish
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   Posted 8/12/2008 8:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Skitt i did tht wht started it all... It was quite intresting actually spent bout half hour reading up on random stuff on the CNN website never been on it before but its alot more in depth then the bbc website. Im starting to think the media treats us like dumb kids in the UK


 

Post Edited (badfish) : 8/12/2008 10:13:12 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/12/2008 8:45 AM (GMT -7)   
NOT everything is told about many drugs or what is happening in the
World I am afraid
WE have to be our own best advocates
and inpower ourselves with knowledge

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debriel
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   Posted 8/16/2008 9:56 AM (GMT -7)   
I am back. Just had my kidney stones blasted. BUT...there weren't any fragments to be found...they don't know what they really blasted. But it looked like a kidney stone. They let me in the x-ray lab to look at what they were after. Really looked like kidney stones. Purposely chose a Teaching Hospital so they could look more into it. Was supposed to be an in and out thing. Stayed five days! Am really sick. Will post more later. All doctors involved came to my bedside. They do see a huge increase in these phantom stones and the bacteria they are ladened with along with stones just cropping up wherever. Something's fishier than FISH here. I go back next week. My temp shot up over 104. What was most interesting is that everyone that was in for outpatient surgery that morning had a stone of some kind that was going to be removed from the foot, the ear, the wrist...gallbladder...gout like stones...caused by the kidneys not being able to do their job adequately. We have STONES popping up all over our bodies. It has to be something that we are eating or combining ("eating and drinking"). I sincerely believe that we do have a problem somewhat like the Russian spy that died from a killing combination but was able to tell his story before he died. I'm frustrated, because yes stones are common...but believe me NOT THIS COMMON!! There's no way.

percycat
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   Posted 8/16/2008 9:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Debriel,

I'm glad you're home at last and are getting good treatment from your doctors. I surely hope they get to the bottom of why you had these phantom stones.

percycat

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   Posted 8/16/2008 11:02 PM (GMT -7)   

Debriel,

Ouch! I'm so glad they got whatever they were OUT. No fragments is a good thing. I have had (small) kidney stones and what they call "gravel" or fragments joining together is one explanation of why they form. I was told to keep fluids up (non-acoholic ones!) and to, oddly enough, drink the water of brewed watermelon seeds. Could be an old wives tale..it certainly sounds like you and your fellow inpatients are going through something slightly strange there. I sincerly hope they get to the bottom of it. Stay well and take care.

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stkitt
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   Posted 8/17/2008 5:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Debriel
I am glad you are home. Is your anxiety spiking due to this procedure or are you back to your baseline?
 
You will have to send me info on the removal of these gout stones from the foot etc as this is something I have no knowledge of and I am interested in.
 
Take care.
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Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 8/18/2008 1:54 PM (GMT -7)   
I worry about stuff. The air is REALLY bad in my part of the country. Central California.
I haven't had tap water for years. (I've lived many places, but it seems worse here)
Air, Water, Tomatoes, Beef, Cilantro, Chili Sauce ... what's next?
Pamela Neckpain

debriel
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   Posted 8/18/2008 9:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Kitt -
 
My anxiety has been way out there, but I guess I am coming to the realization that this kind of stuff is just gonna happen whether I want it to or not or whether I think I can handle it. They've given me Atavan or Atavant or whatever...they've given me xanax. I don't like to take medication period, but when things get to really shaking I will take half of the .05 mg tablet of xanax which is a very low dose...but mind over matter...it works for me most of the time.
 
The doctor in charge is telling me now that I had some kind of interstitial lung disorder or something of that effect going on with me in recovery. I have never had such a drying out effect from anesthesia upon waking up. I stayed in the recovery room for more than six hours on what was supposed to be an outpatient event. I was to be out by 10:30 that morning so I could go to my daughter's volleyball game. I stayed five days, mainly he says due to an ILD...which before now I have had no symptoms of asthma or any related lung disorder. Has anyone ever come out of anesthesia with breathing problems...so dried up that you can't even gurgle? They were asking me...when I finally did wake up...what was going on??...they were all around me...just perplexed...and I was sooo dried up...I couldn't breathe or talk...they finally sauved my mouth and upper throat, and asked me if I had any ideas to relieve my dry mouth and throat and get me to breathing good again. They gave me a breathing treatment which I don't do albuterol very well...but nontheless they proceeded. I asked for sea salt...because it's a natural saliva producing element and that's all I felt like I needed, but whatever made my temp go up...I wonder too if the suspected overdose of anesthesia could have caused my spike in temp?
 
I didn't get scared until my temp rose over 104 and they decided to admit me for tachycardia (probably due to the albuterol). I think I had too much anesthesia administered to me, but then they've decided I must have had a prior cold or pneumonia or lung disorder and now when I google ILD I just come up with all kinds of nightmares.
 
But yes anxiety does get a grip on me sometimes, but mostly upon hyperventilation...just thinking about it so hard that I forget to breathe. I just don't want to worry about all of this, but then I think if I don't worry about it...it might just snag me. I want to be one step ahead of whatever I think is after me.
 
Debriel
 
 

debriel
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   Posted 8/18/2008 10:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Pamela NP - about the Central California pollution...farmers are gonna kill us...aren't they? Can't live with them but can't live without them. I live in the midst of all kinds of agriculture...cotton, corn, alfalfa, potatoes, you name it, if it can be grown, including cows, pigs, goats, and horses...it's here. I live in Texas. I have never been to California...have always wanted to visit "Central California" or the San Joaquin Valley produce fields. But it seems with all of the chemicals used, it's not easy to navigate when there's a safe time to go outside. And if farmers are experiencing with the organically grown produce etc...well there are so many heading out in that direction without the knowledge of how to apply the organic "manure" and what not...that we come up with organically contaminated bacteria ridden food supplies, unintentionally. Education is the key and demanding sufficient labelings, including origin of product, not just this "distributed by" stuff they stick on these products now days. I think ingredients that are used to make the final product should also have their origin. I am not a fan of Made in China after so many recalls have been made and I have researched that even our name brand flours and processed packaged products have origins from China and beyond. With the U.S. outsourcing so many of OUR country's name brand product facilities we can no longer be sure that anything is MADE IN THE USA. :(

debriel
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   Posted 8/18/2008 10:32 PM (GMT 0)   
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0194599804013117
Rare gout manifestation of head and neck .

www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1046/j.1460-9584.1999.00152.x -
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