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peacesoul
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   Posted 9/8/2008 7:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Do any of you detox while on on these medications?
 
These medications cause havoc on the liver. Many times side effects are from an overworked liver more than the medications.
I was on a lot of med for my lyme disease and I was in constant detox mode to help my liver along and not experience such horrible side effects. Lyme patients who didn't detox, never got better or were so sick, they could not function
 
It terrible how the dr's who are giving out so many of these meds, fail to advise their patients about detoxing.
When someone is getting chemo, dr's will advise patients and even lyme dr's are adamant to advice patients to detox and promote a lot of their time to proper diet and exercise.

I think it's irresponsible for Psych's to give out so many harsh meds and never talk about this
 
Maybe I'm wrong, have any of you who take meds been advise how to treat your body better while taking all the meds?
 
 
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   Posted 9/8/2008 7:14 PM (GMT -7)   
I am ignorant about detoxing but I am on enough meds to kill a large animal.

I take four psych drugs, two drugs for GERD, a drug for cholesterol, one for overactive bladder, and am now taking an antibiotic for a bladder infection.

I went to drive somewhere today and my vision was so blurry I turned around and came home. It wasn't safe for me to drive. I have a feeling this is one of the new meds. Possibly the Detrol. Of course, this just makes my health anxiety worse. A vicious cycle.

I'd love to get off some of these and get my body healthier.

Tell me more, if you can.

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   Posted 9/9/2008 6:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Martha.......I would first like to say it's VERY important to take a good probiotic when on antibiotics (abx). Along with all the other meds you're on, your intestinal flora is more than likely in peril. Abx, as you know, kill bacteria, but also kill all the good flora bacteria in your intestinal track, leaving the body susceptible to c diff and other serious bacteria's.

Now having said that, I won't suggest how to get off these meds, though I think GERD and high cholesterol can be maintained with proper diet and exercise, but I'll suggest some good ways to detox to keep the liver in better shape.

Drinking real lemon water
Drinking 8 glasses of water a day
taking detox baths that have Epson salts and peroxide in them
Exercise
Saunas (to get the toxins out of the skin)

There are other ways to detox with herbs, but I won't suggest which herbs b/c I am not sure that herbs with other meds besides abx are safe.
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   Posted 9/9/2008 6:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Good Morning All,
 
Peacesoul said...
When someone is getting chemo, dr's will advise patients
 
My sister had chemo 2 weeks ago and the Chemo nurse was to see her to talk with her before the chemo was started, this did not happen and I am talking of a large teaching hospital with one of the best Cancer centers in the midwest.
 
I agree the medical profession could do a better job of teaching the patients but I would like to see patients speak up before the medication is started to ask all the questions.  Patients and their families have to advocate for the patient.
 
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I do not have knowledge of the liver detoxing. 
 
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marthamae
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   Posted 9/9/2008 8:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the advice. :)

What is a probiotic and where would I get them?

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   Posted 9/9/2008 9:55 AM (GMT -7)   
a probiotic is the good bacteria culture that is added to yogurt to bind it. Now you can see all sorts of yogurt advertising that they have probiotics cultures. There is not enough bacteria in yogurt to help the gut.

One needs between 4-10 billion units a day to maintain a healthy gut.
You can buy them at any health food store or high end grocery store. They have to be cold from the fridge and not room temp
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   Posted 9/9/2008 1:20 PM (GMT -7)   
stkitt said...
Good Morning All,
 
Peacesoul said...
When someone is getting chemo, dr's will advise patients
 
My sister had chemo 2 weeks ago and the Chemo nurse was to see her to talk with her before the chemo was started, this did not happen and I am talking of a large teaching hospital with one of the best Cancer centers in the midwest.
 
 
that is scary. It really freaks me out how dr's are not advising patients on how to really get better. Meds and a 5 mins visit a month does not heal someone.

If it means anything, the homeopathic and naturopathic schools are laden with MD's looking to expand their knowledge on healing.
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   Posted 9/10/2008 12:38 AM (GMT -7)   

Peacesoul,

It really is frightening how little information there is on keeping our bodies in balance. I do such "seemingly" simple things as keep my alkalinity/acidity levels in check and having regular infrared detox saunas and it has made a world of difference to me. Far more so than any anti-depressant medication.

I had a urine check a few years ago at work (I worked in a day spa) and then left to go home before the naturopath had a chance to give me the results. She dashed over in her car with some supplements saying that I was so acidic that I was in danger of lapsing into a coma. She may have been putting the "frighteners" on just a little but after one day of rebalancing medications I felt like a new woman. (but I had to settle for my man instead!! smilewinkgrin ).

Thanks for continuing to open our eyes to alternatives.

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percycat
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   Posted 9/10/2008 7:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey, PeaceSoul, good topic!

I'm curious: I understand how the water and other ingested items help flush out the system, but what does the detox bath do? Obviously, it washes toxins off the skin, but I'm assuming the salts and peroxide also help to flush *out* the pores as well so that they can better continue to secrete wastes? Is that right?

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   Posted 9/10/2008 9:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Does acupuncture help with anxiety or panic attacks, or even the muscle tension from them?

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   Posted 9/10/2008 11:26 PM (GMT -7)   

accupunture helped me greatly with anxiety as it calmed me me down, but I am NOT an expert!! I will leave this one for Peacesoul..

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peacesoul
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   Posted 9/11/2008 2:54 PM (GMT -7)   
 
percycat said...
Hey, PeaceSoul, good topic!

I'm curious: I understand how the water and other ingested items help flush out the system, but what does the detox bath do? Obviously, it washes toxins off the skin, but I'm assuming the salts and peroxide also help to flush *out* the pores as well so that they can better continue to secrete wastes? Is that right?

percycat
Hi :-)

The epson added magnisum to the blood and the peroxide adds oxygen to the blood. Both needed for proper function of the liver, the blood.
I learned this detox trick from lyme sufferes and it did me a world of good when I was taking all those terrible antibiotics.
I still do it b/c just in every day life there are so many toxins to content with
 
 

 
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   Posted 9/11/2008 2:55 PM (GMT -7)   
nervymeg said...

accupunture helped me greatly with anxiety as it calmed me me down, but I am NOT an expert!! I will leave this one for Peacesoul..

meg

honestly, I never tried it, but want to. I hear both + and - about it.
I'm not that far in my courses yet also....haha!
 
When I try it, I will let you guys know. I also hear seeing a chiro or an osteopath also helps. Manipulation of the body helps put it back into balance and let's face it, anxeity sufferes are WAY out of balance


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   Posted 9/11/2008 4:48 PM (GMT -7)   

I work for manipulative physiothapist's to pay the bills while I study. They do amazing work including accupuncture. It really is all about keeping your body in balance.

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   Posted 9/11/2008 7:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,
 
I would love to try acupuncture one day, I really would!  Because I had chronic lyme disease, I learned all about detoxing and I am a strong believer in that as well as taking natural supplements and internal cleansing.   I drink a product called Green Vibrance every day (it also helps me with my anxiety) plus it's a good detoxer as well as an immune booster.
 
I think everyone should be on a detox regime just because we live in a toxic world.  The air we breath, the foods we eat, the list goes on....
 
I detox daily with either detox baths mixed with epsom salts and hydrogen peroxide, dry skin brushing every day to open the pores of my skin (our largest living organ), so the toxins can come out and are not clogged up.  I also do coffee enema's (yeah, I know it sounds gross!) but it works..   Changed my diet as well, avoid acidic foods and try to keep my body as alkaline as possible.  An acidic body is not a healthy one from what I have learned.  I also exercise most every day and that helps me tremendously.  Good stress buster.
 
Just my thoughts,
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   Posted 9/12/2008 6:37 PM (GMT -7)   

Reading this post has really made me start to think.  I am presenting taking total of 1,000 mg of antibiotic every day due to foot surgery last week and have been taking an anti-nausea drug as the antibiotic makes me so sick to my stomach but I have to take it.  I am wondering about this probiotic thing.  I hadn't heard that yogurt did not contain near enough active cultures.  My pharmacist said to eat one yogurt a day while on the antibiotics and it should work just fine.  I tend to get bad thrush when on antibiotics.  So, that is what I have been doing and now reading that it isn't near what I should be getting.  How do I know how many mgs or whatever I need to take each day?  Is there calculations that need to be done to know how much to take?  Can you ever take "too much?

I'm also on Xanax and Darvocet for pain control and am now worried about how much damage I may have done already and how much damage I am presently doing to my liver.  How do you know if your liver is being damaged?

I have lots more questions and am now gonna go on the internet and see what I can find out about this "detoxing" stuff.  I'm very intersted to learn more about this.


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   Posted 9/12/2008 9:05 PM (GMT -7)   
wow. I just now found this thread. I'm currently in the process of finding out if there's something wrong with my liver. I have a lot of risk factors for nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, but also I am on a TON of meds, but I don't think they're even thinking about the meds I'm on besides the ibuprofen for severe joint and muscle problems. my liver is very enlarged and I am waiting for my labs to come back. my whole stomach is huge and growing. it's hard and any pressure on it is very painful. I look like I swallowed a massive basketball. they're doing all kinds of tests so I'll be sure to keep you updated. I don't want to try anything new, meds, supplements, anything, til my test results come back. I'm afraid of having a reaction to anything new. thanks for bringing this to my attention.
27 female
 
Bipolar, panic disorder, PTSD, PCOS, hashimoto's disease/hypothyroidism, acid reflux, and in the process of being diagnosed with either crohns, colitis, or even lupus...who knows really! the docs sure don't lol. Now possibly even celiacs disease!Lots of tests coming up so hopefully I'll know more soon. Too many meds to list!


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   Posted 9/13/2008 6:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Diane, it makes me so mad when a dr can rx an antibiotic and not even tell their patients how impertiave it is to replce the flora we kill when taking abx.

One yogurt is not going to do a thing. Besides, it's not wise to take dairy when ill. It keeps mucus in the body.
You cannot take too much probiotic, but there is no need to take more than 10 billion units a day when on abx. If you're on super gigh doses of abx, then 30 billionis recommended. But for everyday maintenance, 4-6 billion units a day is enough.
I'm not on abx now but take 4 billion units a day for a week on then a week off.

The way to know if your liver is in peril is by getting a blood test, but that doesn't always show damage. You just have to assume our livers are being so taxed by life, meds and other toxins we consume.


Deeja (Denise) is also on top of the detoxing, In fact it was her that really enlightened me to detoxing when I was dx with lyme disease.

Think about it, how can our nervous systems function properly when we are always taxing them with pollutants, especially medications.
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   Posted 9/13/2008 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   

Good Morning All,

Sorry I have been MIA for a bit.  I am glad to see so many interested in this topic.  I believe it is good to know what others are doing.  The accupunture has been talked about before but from what I have  heard from people that have used it is the cost is high.  With so many high medical bill and living on social security there is not a lot of dollars left over.

I make sure I take a good vitamin pill every day and eat my yogurt.  I know if I went to the Doctors and asked for liver enzymes to be drawn the answer would be no unless I had avalid reason to go along with the request.

Also many of you have to take meds as I do...............know your meds.  For example : Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is processed by the liver, Ibuprofen is not metabolized by the liver, but actually the kidneys. Many of the pain meds have  Tylenol in them so taking additional Tylenol needs to be monitored. I advocate for knowing what you are putting into your body.

Great input from all, you are always the best ............. turn

Hugs at you.

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   Posted 9/17/2008 5:18 AM (GMT -7)   
YOu can get a liver function test to find out what is going on if anything with your liver
I take Methotrexate and have to have this test monthly w/o fail

I am also on many other meds and I have been for yrs

I do know I HAVE to be my own best advocate when it comes to my body plus you have EVERY right to demand answers from the RX doctor about the meds given........

I hope this is not going to make everyone afraid and start panicking about what meds can do to your liver or other organs..........BUT do be aware ...........

There are many that HAVE to take meds to get thru each day and I am one of them ......
Great thread........LYN
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   Posted 9/17/2008 7:21 AM (GMT -7)   
We have to keep in mind, Dr's are human. The only difference between them and others is they went to school a lot longer.

Most dr's are unaware of how to heal. They are taught to diagnose and rx meds. That is changing since many dr's are now enrolling in naturopathic courses and/or working with naturopaths to see how they can better help their patients.

Changing of the diet is a matter of life and death in many cases, but for some reason, people have a hard time embracing that. When I became very ill years ago, I changed my diet and went from being close to bed ridden to 90% functional. I didn't know dairy, peanut butter and black tea were not my "friends"
Once I cut them out, my IBS was gone, my nerves got better and I had more energy.

Again, dr's are not educated about these things.

It sucks, but it's reality


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   Posted 9/17/2008 7:25 AM (GMT -7)   
I am so glad to say I DO have the kind of Doc that listens and explains all to me...

WE will work on a plan of TX together
I know I would find another like him for sure.........

I just wish that all could be as lucky as I am with their doc's........

Take care all

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   Posted 9/17/2008 8:47 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey All,

I have been dealing with Doctors for a bit more then a month now and I am finding that advocating for my sister is difficult at times but I have suggested many tests and meds and they are getting done. Her only chance to survive is chemo right now.  She has ovarian cancer and it is the silent killer.  She has had it for probably longer then 10 years but the sx just showed up at few months ago.

One of the family is with her, either myself or her daugther and no meds have gone into her that we have not asked ahead of time..........what are you giving her and why?

Sometimes meds are the only thing that can save your life.  I agree living healthy helps but putting all you all your eggs in one basket is not something I would feel comfortable with.

Be your own advocate.  Speak up and know your rights.  If you choose to go to with  accupuncture I think that is great, eat healthy, run if you can................walk if you can't run but be responsible for your own decisions.

If you find a phycian that doesn't meet your expectations, look for a new Doc.

Bless each of you and I suppot everyone of you.............Hugs

Kitt


 

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