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Jordyx
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   Posted 6/28/2009 12:58 AM (GMT -7)   
The views stated are personal opinions and things that have personaly worked for me and other people ive shown. =)
I care a ton about helping people with what ive learned because i know what your going through right now.
 
Im going to talk first about PANIC ATTACKS because its more serious than anxiety i have found.
If your having a panic attack right now or you feel very funny or out of place with reality... relax and read on.
If your suffering from anxiety skip the text in red and blue and go all the way down to the bottom with black text but it would be to your growth to read it anyways because panic attacks are a direct result of fear and anxiety. =-)
 
 PANIC ATTACKS
First off friend, your heart racing, numbness, sweats, feeling out of place, everything that leads to your panic attack..... it will not kill you I promise =-)
 
Rules of anxiety I have learned over 2 years
ANXIETY CREATES ALL SORTS OF CRAZY SYMPTOMS THAT IMITATE REAL SICKNESS OR PROBLEMS THAT LEAD TO PANIC ATTACKS...
UNLESS YOUR HEART FEELS LIKE A HORSE IS STANDING ON IT YOUR NOT HAVING A HEART ATTACK 9 times out of 10
I HAVE EXPERIENCED ALL THE SYMPTOMS OF A HEART ATTACK DUE TO ANXIETY WHILE HAVING A HEALTHY HEART
Heart racing, heart pain, tingly left arm
BUT MY HEART NEVER felt like a HORSE WAS STANDING ON IT! lol(my doctor aunt told me thats the "key" symptom to knowing if its a real heart attack but never question and rush to a urgent care clinic if you think your having a heart attack but after the 12th time and 20 million $ later, lol assume its the anxiety)
So calm down about that, your not having a heart attack most likely... unless your known for heart issues its most likely just anxiety heightning your feelings  =-)
 
In the case you are experiencing feelings of a heart atttack or like your loosing your grip with reality , your most likely having PANIC ATTACKS
its OK friend, your not different, thousands of people have this,keep reading, we will get you panic free before the article is over! 
Understand this!!
NOBODY HAS EVER DIED FROM A PANIC ATTACK
NOBODY HAS EVER DIED FROM A PANIC ATTACK
NOBODY HAS EVER DIED FROM A PANIC ATTACK
YOU WILL NOT END UP IN THE MENTAL INSTITUTION! I PROMISE!!
THIS FEELING WILL LEAVE YOU!!!
THIS WONT LAST FOREVER!!!
 
This is how to beat them once and for all and i promise you this will work. Ive taught this to hundreds of people and always works. never fails...Its simple
 
PANIC ATTACK REMEDY
1) WHEN THE FEAR COMES ON YOU DONT FIGHT IT (CRAZY RIGHT!!?!?)
 
We have a natrual "fight or flight" response to anything that comes our way.
When the panic attack comes on us like anything, we have the option to fight it, or accept it and fly with it
We see panic as a negative thing and we want to avoid it, its natural
THE FEAR OF FEAR ITSELF IS WHAT CAUSES YOU TO HAVE MORE FEAR WHICH LEADS TO YOUR PANIC ATTACK
FEAR FEEDS OFF OF FEAR FEEDS OFF OF FEAR
 
WHEN YOU STOP WHAT YOUR DOING AND FOCUS ON NOT WANTING TO HAVE A PANIC ATTACK, YOUR FEEDING THE ATTACK, understand FEAR BUILDS AS YOU LET IT, CAUSING YOU TO HAVE YOUR PANIC ATTACK.
 
THE NEXT TIME YOU HAVE A PANIC ATTACK OR START TO HAVE ONE
DONT FIGHT IT.
Its going to be hard BUT TRUST ME

THIS IS THE KEY THING TO SAY AND CRUCIAL THING TO SAY 
 DURING YOUR PANIC ATTACK
 
 
"HEY FEAR, Whats up!"im going to keep doing what im doing fear, you can join me, but im NOT going to quit doing what im doing because your not that interesting really, but fun to have around". "But I am happy your here because everytime you come i learn something NEW about MYSELF. THANK YOU FEAR!" "PLEASE STAY AND JOIN ME IN WHAT IM DOING"
 
this part is crucial
 
at the peak of your attack
ask for more fear
say this
 
"fear just for fun lets see how crazy you can make me feel, I want more, see how strange you can make me feel
 
you will give it a challenge it wont be able to meet up to>.. because in reality it is NOTHING ...NOTHING is happening physically, rather in your head"
 
youl see the fear and panic leave and when it comes back again say
"oh hey fear whats up, come join me i love hanging out with you
 
Sounds crazy right??? panic will leave
 
The reason this works is because when you let fear in and dont fight "it" you take "its" power away =-)
 
The thing about panic and fear is its not a "thing" or a beast like we make it out to be, its all in our head but we make it a reality. But it was the most horrific moments in my life and i UNDERSTAND what your going through!!
 
But this remedy worked for me and i NEVER had another panic attack after that!!!!!THey tried to come back but i did this technique and they dont come around anymore!!
 
ANXIETY REMEDY
1) TELL YOURSELF ITS GOING TO BE OK ANYTIME YOU FEEL ANXIETY
Talk to yourself, dont "disconnect" i say " Dude, your going to be fine, Jordy, your gonna be ok, it all good. YOU HAVE BEN THROUGH THIS AND ALWAYS ARE FINE"I am fine" "Everything is ok" "I am ok"
2) HAVE A SET LIST OF THINGS TO DO FOR THE DAY DONT SIT AROUND, STAY BUSY AND KEEP YOUR HEAD ON OTHER THINGS
Yeah its easy to lay around in your freetime but its best if you have anxiety to always be doing something!!
3) LISTEN TO A SONG IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE REALLY LOUD. IT WILL THROW OFF YOUR BRAIN FOR THE GOOD
I read about this and it works great but i only use this if my anxiety is really bad and acting up
4) LISTEN TO SONGS THAT HAVE GREAT MEMORIES ATTACHED TO THEM.
I listen to songs i listened to as a kid or used to dance to or was my old girlfriend and I's song haha
The key is to get your mind off of your anxiety and strong memories are great for that!
5)Appreciate things, know your situation could be alot worse and you could be a lot worse off.
Take time to dive into your passions again, guitar, reading, going out
6) Drinking a beer ALWAYS helps me. I think it has to do something with focusing on the alcohol and relaxing... but thats one beer lol or 2 maybe but it always chills me out if im feeling anxiety like right now im drinking a beer lol!
 
Breathing Tips
Take one finger and put it over your left nostral and breath in deep , then breath out while placing your finger on your right nostral.
 
MAKE SURE YOUR NOT SHALLOW BREATHING!!!!
 
Place your handover your chest and your other hand over your belly
Breath normally... Your belly should be going out further than your chest
This is crucial because if your a chest breather you will have all sorts of problems like random pains and shortness of breath...
 
STRETCH STRETCH AND STRECH SOME MORE!
 
Set aside time before you go to bed or when you wake up to stretch andor meditate IN FRONT OF A FAN
There is nothing worse for anxiety than a tense body, take 15-30 min a day to loosen up and meditate. If you dont know quite how to meditate sit indian style with your hands rested on your knees. Sit up back straight and breath in deeeeepppply. You can imagine while your breathing in and out ,a tiny little number 1 on your belly button rising to your neck. Your breath in through your nose brings the number 1 to your neck. The big breath out, the number 1 goes through your neck and slides down your back till the lowest part of your back then out into the universe. Do this all the way to 10! I learned it taking a martial arts class for a couple years...Hard to explain perfect but you get the idea and it works like crazy to calm you down!!
 
Focus on the positive things instead of the negative
 
Here is a fun way i look at the glass if half full glass is half empty bit
 
The glass that I see if completely full
It is half full of water and half full of air, see what what i mean!
 
BE POSITIVE, dont say " oh I have this anxiety, ill never get out of it, my life is so bad ooooooooo, You will never get out of anxiety that way, remeber before it came you loved life or at least didint hate it!
 
 
Enjoy! comment with specific questions!
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Post Edited (Jordyx) : 7/1/2009 8:11:30 PM (GMT-6)


SUNNYSIDE UP
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   Posted 6/28/2009 5:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jordyx,

Good on you for working all this out in 2 years!
I am particularly interested in your mention of the "flight or fight" response that eventuates from as a natural reaction to the rising anxiety.
I wonder if this is anything to do with the fact that mankind orginated from the cavemen who were always fearful of the threat of predators and so it can now manifest in us a sort of innate response to situations where we feel under threat or lack of control??
Interesting!
Thanks for your thoughts and remedies. I already use some of them but will definitely keep in mind the one about listening to a song (loud) in a different language. Sometimes for me reading a really good book helps ( in situations where I have to wait somewhere or I am on public transport)

All the best,

Jenni

Nanners
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   Posted 6/28/2009 6:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jordyx,

And welcome to Healingwell. We are a peer support forum for people living with anxiety and panic. I am glad you have learned tools to help your a/p. Instead of having people email you, please just respond to posts here on the forum, this helps everyone share in one place.

I would like to add one caveat to your post, if you have already had all the tests run and there are no problems with your heart, please do not go to the ER for your a/p. I just read an article recently that even people who are considered the highest emergencies are having to wait up to 28 minutes for treatment. That could mean life or death for these people. GO to a local urgent care clinic instead for your panic attacks. They can treat you just the same, at a lower cost, and save the ER for true medical emergencies. JMHO

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Jordyx
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   Posted 6/29/2009 12:36 AM (GMT -7)   

Correct!

There are many imbedded things within us from the "cavepeople" days. Instincts....As far as fight or flight goes in reference to cave people there is no doubt it plays a role in anxiety. What my personal opinion on that note is that we have so much going on in our brain, so much emotion and thoughts and instincts that can be triggered at any moment..With anxiety we focus on how we will respond or react to things that are instinctive...or always work out... Like

"What if I have a heart attack, what if im alone and nobody finds me, what if my house burns down, where will i live, what if i dont make enough tips tonight to pay my bills, what if my baby has a terminal sickness..."

Cave people will find food no matter what because its survival. Cavepeople will build new houses or find new places to live if there house is destroyed which happend alot. We have the God given drive and instincts to evolve as our surroundings change before us but anxiety makes us FORGET those things.

Just tell yourself people, everything has always worked out before this anxiety or panic attacks(if you read the thread you should not be having panic attacks now, msg me if you need help=-) Everything worked out before this anxiety and its just me forgetting things always seem to work out for the best =)

 

SUNNYSIDE UP said...
Hi Jordyx,

Good on you for working all this out in 2 years!
I am particularly interested in your mention of the "flight or fight" response that eventuates from as a natural reaction to the rising anxiety.
I wonder if this is anything to do with the fact that mankind orginated from the cavemen who were always fearful of the threat of predators and so it can now manifest in us a sort of innate response to situations where we feel under threat or lack of control??
Interesting!
Thanks for your thoughts and remedies. I already use some of them but will definitely keep in mind the one about listening to a song (loud) in a different language. Sometimes for me reading a really good book helps ( in situations where I have to wait somewhere or I am on public transport)

All the best,

Jenni

Post Edited (Jordyx) : 6/29/2009 2:03:35 AM (GMT-6)


lovefaith
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   Posted 6/29/2009 12:53 AM (GMT -7)   
hello Jordyx,

yes that's true... when panic comes don't fight it.. just let it be... and soon it will leave you.. tnx for sharing...

badfish
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   Posted 6/29/2009 5:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Jordyx your post made me remember all my old techniques, i have been struggling with anxiety the last few weeks as im under abit of stress but i had almost forgotten the best thing i can do is accept it and not fight it.

I especially like the concept off "anxiety remedy point 1".. and not disconnecting everytime i feel abit anxious, its very to remove yourself from a situation thats making you feel anxious. I thnk next time i mite try riding it out and seein wher i end up.

Also the breathing technique with placing a finger over a nostril really works for me ;p
 


Gerber_Daisy
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   Posted 7/1/2009 8:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jordyx,

Just want to say thank you for your tips on dealing with panic attacks and anxiety as they occur. I have had them now and again, but recently due to some other medical issues I am dealing with, I am getting them more frequently. I feel like I am losing it, my heart feels like its coming out of my chest, I could cry at any small thing just to name a few things I experience.

But in thinking about what causes mine, and what fear I may be having, I think it's the unknown, and that at the moment I am in the hands of Dr's who are showing no interest in helping me (I have an HMO and its really hard to get out of). I also am dealing with reflux which has just done a number on me mentally and physically, and I know anxiety and reflux are connected(sometimes somehow), so I am trying to find ways to remain calm during an attack and not totally freak out.

So thanks again! I do appreciate it.

Jodee

PS... I am not currently on anything for the panic attacks or anxiety, but I am seeing my PCP tomorrow morning to talk to her about maybe taking something...

Jordyx
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   Posted 7/1/2009 2:58 PM (GMT -7)   
The panic remedy described has never failed for me I hope it works for you as well.


The fear of the unknown has ben messing with me lately as well. I am in the proccess of deciding if I want to stay in the state im in and several other big decisions and anxiety is really creeping up. So what I have ben doing is making a set list of things to do even if small for the day. I am doing things like, take a shower, take a nap, research a topic on the internet, go visit friends. Things that I am quite sure what the outcome will be. Understand that doctors are in there position for a reason. My aunt is a doctor and she has to take very hard test every couple of months even though she is a top doctor and one of the best. You should be very very happy they are treating you like its not a big deal because if you had something serious or showed any symptoms they would care and be testing you.(assuming what you have is in fact anxiety related and they can see that)


Do the technique I described. Let the fear in and make it a fun thing! lol it sounds crazy but I still use it from time to time when panic attacks start creeping up and it never even gets to the attack stage.

Know this friend
However long you have ben alive is how many years you have made it so far without any kind of heart issues am i right?
So why would they come up now.... rare...
Ive had my heart beating so fast I was sure I was going to die! One time it happend in bed and I shot up and was pacing back and forth. WHat I did was breathed slowly and kept moving.... walk around and breath in through your nose and out through your mouth and walk walk walk, dont stop and sit there, Hum a song if you have to, go out to your car, think of something else while breathing slowly at the same time.
You know youve made it through your panic before so relax and learn something new about yourself... Ive had so much crap happen to me because of anxiety I am the strongest person in the bunch and I help alot of people I hope. Its exciting to know that your going to be able to help somebody just as I am helping you!

See ya!

Post Edited (Jordyx) : 7/1/2009 8:07:53 PM (GMT-6)


stkitt
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   Posted 7/1/2009 3:27 PM (GMT -7)   

Jordyx,

I requested in one of your other posts that you tread lightly on comments such as this one:

"THE REASON i feel they dont show much interest is because they know anxiety=no money"

Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal, individual choices.  Everyone has the right to decide if they want to be under the care of a physician and making blatant comments about physician's only interested in our money is an insult to many of our members. 

You are entitled to your opinion so please state your comments as your own personal feelings and not as a fact.

I am glad you have found a way to deal with your own anxiety and many of us use the same methods as you have posted. 

Please read my post to you :

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=9&m=847958&p=2

With kindest personal regards,

Kitt


 

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stkitt
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   Posted 7/1/2009 4:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Jordyx,
 
I apprecaite your pointing out that you did include "I feel".  That does make it your own opinion. 
 
Thank you also for the email.
Respectfully,
Kitt

 

Post Edited (stkitt) : 7/1/2009 5:34:18 PM (GMT-6)


Gerber_Daisy
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   Posted 7/1/2009 4:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Kitt... I am assuming the last post was not for me right?

And i must say Jordyx, I feel compelled to respond to this... for my sake:

"You should be very very happy they are treating you like its not a big deal because if you had something serious or showed any symptoms they would care and be testing you."

What I am dealing with IS a big deal to me, and I can appreciate that Dr's are busy people and I am not an emergency case, but giving someone the run around and ignoring them is not ok... ever imo. This is something I have been dealing with for over a year now(and I totally get that others have delt with things longer), but it is a big deal to me. I don't like being made to feel by Dr's that what I have is not important to them. Having an invasive test done and a Dr calling it "meaningless" hurts. Having another test and having the Dr tell you they will not discuss it with you that hurts too. I have been tested, and given NO answers... nothing. No official diagnosis... nothing. So there are test results out there, and I have done my own research, but no Dr has ever wanted to give me an official diagnosis with a path to cure/fix/help it. And when there is something wrong with you, and you know it, and no one wants to help you address it... on come the panic attacks and anxiety...

The past month has been a living hell for me, and I just can not believe the care I have been given. Like I said, I have had anxiety and panic attacks here and there, but nothing like I have experienced this past month.

Thats all I have for now... I dont mean to come off mean up there...and I know you dont totally know whats been gong on with me... I think part of that was me venting...

Jodee

stkitt
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   Posted 7/1/2009 4:35 PM (GMT -7)   

Oops, sorry Daisy/Jodee..........my typo.  I fixed it.  I understand how you feel so no problems my friend.

Kitt


 

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Gerber_Daisy
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   Posted 7/1/2009 5:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Kitt :)
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