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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 3/20/2007 5:16 PM (GMT -7)   
stopped my headache meds for a couple days and clonozapam for just 2 days and now i feel and look  pale and cold, and sweating before bed .
 Ive also started drinking celery , and carrot juice so not sure if im being cleaned out, making myself worse or if something else is going on.
 I also started taking b2, feverfew for my headaches which are massive next to my temples and ears.

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   Posted 3/20/2007 5:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow. You shouldn't stop medicines cold like that, in particular the Clonazepam. You need to be tapered off that one for sure. Assuming you've been on it a while, you're suffering withdrawal.

Do this under a physician's supervision only.

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   Posted 3/20/2007 10:44 PM (GMT -7)   
The severity of your detox/withdrawl will depend on how high the dose of these meds were and how long you were on them.  Clonozepam isn't someting you should stop cold turkey without medical advice, but congratulations on trying to support your body with healthy remedies.  If you are turning funny colours i would suggest going back on a small dose and visiting your doc for advice.  Goodluck!

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   Posted 3/21/2007 12:35 AM (GMT -7)   
it was only one day and i only take 1 mg a day once and 1 basic headache med. So your saying getting pale was from the clonozapam and not the juicing ?  As far as going back to the doc, not sure i can go back ever since i can't pay to see him and gonna be turned over to collections any day

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   Posted 3/21/2007 7:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Meds is not something you should toy around with...If you only took one day I am not so much thinking of withdrawl...
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   Posted 3/21/2007 8:45 AM (GMT -7)   
ttwarrior1 said...
it was only one day and i only take 1 mg a day once and 1 basic headache med. So your saying getting pale was from the clonozapam and not the juicing ? As far as going back to the doc, not sure i can go back ever since i can't pay to see him and gonna be turned over to collections any day


How long were you on the Clonazapam? I've read a lot about that one lately, and it's quite addictive. 1 mg isn't a lot compared to what some people take, but there are smaller doses, too. I'd do a lot of careful reading about it before I stopped cold, and if you phoned your doctor I think he's obligated to talk to you about it whether you owe him money or not.

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   Posted 3/21/2007 9:06 AM (GMT -7)   
I would think along the same lines as Normal if you only took it the one day it is not w/d you are going thru
I am thinking something else is going on
Please can you not go to ER or something if you get worse and what temp are you running low grade or??
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ttwarrior1
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   Posted 3/21/2007 5:49 PM (GMT -7)   
took for one day? no ive been on it for 4 months, i stopped for 2 days is what i said. I take 1 mg once a day. On another site i was told 1 mg is equivalent to a high dose of valium.

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   Posted 3/21/2007 6:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Did you restart the Clonazepam? I don't mean to get in your business, but four months of 1 mg/day probably needs to be tapered. No sense in causing yourself to get sick, you know?

If you don't want to ask your doctor (which is preferred), I've read that Clonazepam is usually tapered by reducing the dose by .25 mg every two weeks. I got that from an abstract of a pharmacology journal while researching the drug before I went on it, but I can't seem to find it again. I strongly suggest speaking with your doctor as people have had seizures by stopping too quickly!

Ya don't want that.

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   Posted 3/22/2007 9:00 AM (GMT -7)   
Okay, I was wrong about what I posted above. Since I've recently started Clonazepam, I asked a question about dependency in another forum and this was the answer:

"If you take Klonopin/Clonazepam for longer than four weeks daily, you will be mildly dependent on it. Clonazepam alters your brain chemistry at all doses (and particularly, once a steady-state plasma level has been established).

By June, you will be highly dependent on the drug. For this reason, you must never allow your prescription to run out. One missed dose will not be subjectively noticeable. Two missed doses will be uncomfortable. Miss three doses and you *may* be in trouble. Any severe alteration of the plasma level will cause subjective symptoms of anxiety. If the plasma level is grossly altered abruptly, seizure can result. The drug must never be stopped abruptly, ever!

Generally speaking, full blown withdrawal symptoms from Klonopin is not seen until after one week if the drug is removed completely. During this period, the risk of seizure is greatest. The drug must never be stopped abruptly, and should be removed in 0.125 mg increments @ two weeks per incriment minimum."

I'm not sure what this guy's qualifications are, but he seems to know what he's talking about on a pretty wide range of pharmaceutical questions. Since you don't know who he is, you shouldn't follow his advice to the letter. However, I think you should take what he says seriously and discuss it with a doctor or at least a pharmacist.

This drug's a pretty serious one!

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   Posted 3/22/2007 10:23 AM (GMT -7)   
im not dependant on it, why is everyone getting on my case here but noone is getting on everyone else here taking this drug and others which are more powerful. Also the pill is so small it can't be cut up into 4 pieces and what do i take for anxiety and or headaches and nervousness then??????

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   Posted 3/22/2007 11:04 AM (GMT -7)   
You're not dependent on it? You just finished telling us that you'd be taking Clonazepam for four months. Yes, you are addicted. It's just a fact. We're not calling you a junkie...I'd imagine half the people on this forum are addicted to some medication. I myself just started taking Clonazepam and am fully aware that I'll be addicted to it. That's just the way medication goes. You don't have to be abusing to be dependent. Using it as prescribed is enough to form dependence...the doctor who wrote the script realized that. That's why the med's fact sheet says "DO NOT STOP TAKING THIS MEDICATION UNLESS SUPERVISED BY YOUR PHYSICIAN"

Clonazepam is scored so you can cut in in half very easily. Assuming you have .5 mg tablets, you then only need to cut one of the halves in half. You can't be perfectly accurate, no, but you can come close enough.

If you come off the Clonazepam gradually your anxiety will gradually increase. If you come off it abruptly, it's risky.

Nobody's saying it's bad you're on Clonazepam. Nobody's saying you're wrong to get off it. That's a personal decision. What we're saying is there's a right way and a wrong way to get off it. You could get very sick by doing it the wrong way.

Post Edited (debaser) : 3/22/2007 12:12:37 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 3/23/2007 11:44 AM (GMT -7)   
so what do i take if i want to stop taking clonozapam so i can get better? My diet has changed and my question was never about clonzapam addiction and i cannot see my doctor and he will turn his head if he even sees me. Im wondering about why i was pale, but ok

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   Posted 3/23/2007 12:15 PM (GMT -7)   
We cant give you medical advice as we are not doctors...I think you need a new doc if this one will not see you
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   Posted 3/23/2007 12:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey guys - there's a difference between PHYSICAL DEPENDENCE and ADDICTION. Clearly, his body was physically dependent on the med, but he was NOT addicted. Addiction is totally different animal. And please trust me on this I've work in the substance abuse/mental health field for several years. You can be physically dependent on a med and not even know it until you're not taking it anymore. Please don't confuse the two terms.

Like people have mentioned, stopping clonazepam, or any other prescribed med for that matter, should be something you discuss with your doctor PRIOR to doing it. You should really start taking your regular dosage until you can see a doctor who can give you a tapering regimen. That is the only safe way and symptom-free way to do it.
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   Posted 3/23/2007 2:28 PM (GMT -7)   
What's the difference between "addiction" and "physical dependence"? Technically...

I'm curious. I thought you were addicted when your body needed a substance to perform normally, and "physical dependence" is the same thing, only a nice way of putting it. For example, if someone becomes dependent while taking medicine as prescribed under a doctor's supervision you'd say they were "dependent". If someone was hooked on smack, you'd say they were an "addict". In both cases you need the stuff, and suffer withdrawal if you stop abruptly.

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   Posted 3/23/2007 3:47 PM (GMT -7)   
ttwarrior
I apoligise for misreading your post I thought you had only been on one day ....

No one here has the right to tell you that you are addicted and I also feel that you should not be Jumped on like this
I have taken valium or ativan for over 30 yrs yes I have a physical dependecy Debaser but I also have gone from taking daily one or two to now only when needed and with no ill effects.......

Thanks Ali I totally agree with you on this ....
Debaser things are different for everyone .......so are meds to a point ........
Ali has explained this very well IMO.....Please refrain from using caps as it makes it look like you are yelling okay

There is a difference with pills I take morphine for pain and I am not getting"HIGH" on it it goes to the pain only
IF you have not the pain you will get a buzz no doubt

Lets please have this thread a bit calmer and not so down on ttwarrior ...only asking for input /advice .....

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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 3/23/2007 4:52:46 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 3/23/2007 3:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Now to your original question...
I am not too sure if the juice would cause this but I do highly doubt the meds would .......
I wish I had more info for you and I do apologise for thread being rooted away from your original question
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   Posted 3/24/2007 12:02 AM (GMT 0)   
Haha...I'm not sure what wasn't calm about this thread. To me it seems like a civilized discussion.

I simply asked what the technical difference between "addiction" and "physical dependence" is. I'm not saying anyone's getting high or taking their meds for fun. Quite the contrary. And if anyone would read what I wrote, they should see that.

The only reason I used caps was because that's how it's printed on the FDA insert that came with my Klonopin. It was for emphasis, I presume.

I'm not down on ttwarrior AT ALL. To me it seemed like he was cutting himself off cold from a med he'd been on for a while. That sounds dangerous to me...I was worried.

Anyway, from assorted dictionaries:

Addiction: compulsive physiological need for and use of a habit-forming substance characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal

Physical Dependence: the physiological adaptation of the body to the presence of a drug. It is defined by the development of withdrawal symptoms when drugs are discontinued, when the dose is reduced abruptly or when an antagonist or an agonist-antagonist is administered.

Now, I wasn't yelling at anyone or calling anyone an addict in a pejorative sense. I want to make that REALLY clear.

As for getting off the point, I thought dependence was relevant. I've seen people in withdrawal before. What happens to them? They get sweaty and pale and have headaches. I, of course, do not have the expertise to say he's experiencing withdrawal but it was the first thing that came to mind.

Anyway, I didn't mean to make anyone feel bad or angry or whatever.

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   Posted 3/23/2007 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
debaser said...
I myself just started taking Clonazepam and am fully aware that I'll be addicted to it. That's just the way medication goes.
  hi, debaser ... i do realize that i'm "just a newbie", here, but i truly and honestly would like to spread the word about any form of benzodiazepine:  please, i beg you, don't be nonchalant about using this medication/drug ... please, find a homeopathic, herbal or other form of therapy than benzodiazepines ... i can't iterate such urgency in this plea for your sanity ...
 
if you become addicted to this stuff, which can take only 2 weeks ... do further and more extensive research on this before you take this drug ... talk to pharmacists all over town and look around the internet ...
 
the only thing i've ever been addicted to in my entire life was nicotine ... this benzo thing?  you do know the old saying "i wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy", right?  well, i don't use that old saying very lightly when i quote it ...
 
my psychotherapist, who was also addicted (okay, dependent, whatever term you wish to use), feels the same as everyone else who has ever been through w/d of this drug:  it should be taken off of the market ... period ...

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   Posted 3/23/2007 8:18 PM (GMT -7)   
hopeful82 said...
Hey guys - there's a difference between PHYSICAL DEPENDENCE and ADDICTION. Clearly, his body was physically dependent on the med, but he was NOT addicted. Addiction is totally different animal. And please trust me on this I've work in the substance abuse/mental health field for several years. You can be physically dependent on a med and not even know it until you're not taking it anymore. Please don't confuse the two terms.

Like people have mentioned, stopping clonazepam, or any other prescribed med for that matter, should be something you discuss with your doctor PRIOR to doing it. You should really start taking your regular dosage until you can see a doctor who can give you a tapering regimen. That is the only safe way and symptom-free way to do it.

hi, hopeful ... again, i know i'm just a newbie ... i do hope not to be offensive in any of my posts here in this forum ...
 
from personal experience, a benzo dependence can surely feel like an addiction ... unfortunately, like debaser's future road, i am doctor "dependent" or "addicted" (pick your term *smile* ) to a benzo ... the tolerance w/d are almost as horrible as actual w/d ...
 
some will say that some people really need this drug, but surely, there are other non-addictive therapies out there ... had i known what these drugs CAN do, i never would've even entertained the idea of taking just one pill, let alone take it as prescribed, ya know?  please, don't ostracize me for saying these things about benzos, but one can only know if they've been through it, themselves ...
 
i do realize that there are a certain percent of "us" out here who have such a difficult time with taper and w/d, but, if i were someone thinking about going on the drug, i certainly wouldn't want to take that chance (of course, taking into consideration of what i know, now) ...
 
i would certainly talk to my doctor about alternative therapies for anxiety ... only use a chemical if it's a life threatening condition and i certainly wouldn't take it longer than 7 days ... of course, again, knowing what i know now ...

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   Posted 3/23/2007 8:27 PM (GMT -7)   
ttwarrior1 said...
stopped ... clonozapam for just 2 days and now i feel and look  pale and cold, and sweating before bed .
 headaches which are massive next to my temples and ears.
 
from someone who knows first hand:  detoxing feels like this and so doggone much more ...
 
do your research (there are many online resources, ya know? ), speak with pharmacists (they know more about prescription meds than doctors do) and lastly, speak with your doctor ...
 
be safe ... be very safe ... don't cold turkey clonazepam, it isn't a a pretty thing ...

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   Posted 3/23/2007 10:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, speaking only for myself, I believe most homeopathic remedies are scams. Through the years I've tried a few for different things, and to put it bluntly, none of them worked. What may be worse is that these homeopathic substances are not studied like pharmaceuticals are. They're also not held to the same production standards. So, no, they're not an attractive option for me.

Plus, it seems you haven't been following this forum for long, but my life in particular had rapidly descended into complete disarray. I don't have time to fool around with a little of this and a little of that. I do hate medicines and have tried abstaining from them to the point of exhaustion. Not being a candidate for SSRIs, my doctor prescribed the benzodiazapine and I eventually took it. Now I can function where as before I simply could not.

Things had reached a crisis point and it was an easy decision.

I was prescribed the Klonopin more than three weeks prior to taking it. During that time I researched it ad nauseam. I literally searched EVERYWHERE for answers (practically took over this forum, and that's only part of it) and I feel like I know more about Klonopin than just about any lay person.
"Nonchalant" doesn't describe me at ALL. So, yeah, I'm familiar with the dependency issue. Most people don't seem to have a problem with it if they are disciplined and taper properly, it seems. Maybe there are some that have trouble even if they do everything right, but I'll take my chances. Anyway, I educated myself, weighed my options, and made an informed decision.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's good you're here offering an alternative viewpoint. But please be careful that you don't scare everyone half to death. Mods, pardon me if that statement was out of line, but that's the way I feel. In general I think people are overmedicated, but this anxiety stuff is a bona fide monster. It will consume you. We need help however we can get it, basically.

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   Posted 3/24/2007 6:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Essentially, addiction is when you let the drug overpower any will power you have. Addiction interferes with your life - your everyday thought process and actions center around "getting a fix". While addiction has a sort of emotional component to it, dependence is purely physiological. It is a very fine line between dependence and addiction, true, but it is still there.

Sudio, are you trying to tell all of us who have taken benzo's for quite some time and have been helped tremendously by it to stop and start using homeopathic remedies? I agree with you debaser, we appreciate alternative viewpoints but telling people they need to "beware" and switch to something natural is not right. There are plenty of people who can successfully handle taking a benzo, and the others who cannot, well thats their choice then to find something different. While yes you must exercise some amount of caution, there is nothing wrong with benzodiazepines as a means to curb anxiety, period.


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   Posted 3/24/2007 2:14 PM (GMT -7)   
I have to agree here I am on Benzo's and for me it IS the right choice I have made along with Doctors

There are many out there that cannot just do it on homeopathic remedies .......

THEY nor I need to feel no shame in having to take the benzo's and yes Ali is right you need to use a certain amount of caution..........

This thread has gone from a question about Juice to.......... addiction

I honestly think it has run its course
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