Linden Method or Panic Away?

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diane8_8
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   Posted 6/26/2007 2:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey everyone,
I'm new to this forum so forgive me if this has been posted before.
Has anyone tried the Linden method or Panic Away?
I have suffered from anxiety and panic attacks for over 10 years however for the past 8 years
I have been panic and anxiety free - on 10 mg of Paxil...This past December right before X-mas my anxiety returned after 8 years of being HAPPY AND FREE of these awful symptoms. I haven't actually had a major panic attack just awful very tiny small ones accompanies with anxiety on almost a daily basis. Needless to say I want to get back to my old self and want to get back the life of panic-free days ASAP (especially since I would like to start a family very very soon) I have been looking into both these methods, however, have not done much research. Has anyone tried either of the two or does anyone know of anyone who has?

TIA

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harry4
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   Posted 6/26/2007 6:26 PM (GMT -6)   

theres info about them on the net

can often be bought cheaper on ebay, many buy them but never get around to looking at them

some get panicky at the thought of using them and thats all for them skull


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   Posted 6/27/2007 7:10 AM (GMT -6)   
I would also go with Lucinda Bassett

Yes Ebay it

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stkitt
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   Posted 6/27/2007 8:31 AM (GMT -6)   

I do not have any   experience with either but I agree ebay is a good place to shop for these.

Both are on the internet in fact one does a comparison but it is a bit biased as it is sponsored by one of the 2 methods. 

I am glad other members had more info for you.

Take care and keep posting.

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diane8_8
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   Posted 6/27/2007 9:47 AM (GMT -6)   
I did some research on the two that I posted about and the Lucinda Bassett method and it seems like all three use the same underlying approach and method to relieving anxiety. I'm just skeptical because if these programs were so great, why hasn't my Dr. recommended any of them?

H.I.P.
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   Posted 6/27/2007 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello!
I have all 3 programs plus several books from Claire Weeks, and Paul David.
Panic Away, Linden Method and Lucinda's program - here is my view. They are basically all of the same program based strongly on CBT, however, Lucinda's in MUUUUUCCCCHHH more indepth with it, however, much more costly as well.
I love the One Move from Joe Barry - Panic Away's writer.
I did originally start w/ the Linden Method, but it was too simple for me to grasp at the time. I was so anxious, being around myself wore me out.
All programs have email support or forum support.
What did it for me so far, was Claire Weekes mainly. Acceptance of the strange symptoms and sensations and know that they are just sensitized nerves and don't aggrivate it by the what if and oh my God thinking. Just let it be there and put yourself into positions where you normally panic to re-adjust your body.
Dr's don't tell you because these are alternative methods. They are used to prescribing drugs first. Hope this helps!
Here's to getting well! You can do it, we can do it! Too many people out there have recovered, why can't be be the next ones?

diane8_8
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   Posted 6/27/2007 12:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's to getting well! You can do it, we can do it! Too many people out there have recovered, why can't be be the next ones?
 
I LOVE this very encouraging comment!!! You are so right!!!! yeah

harry4
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   Posted 6/27/2007 3:22 PM (GMT -6)   

bassett had agoraphobia severely, dont know about the others

claire weekes books are all good and reasuring and worth having, she was a pioneer of CBT but has been dead for a while now


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CBTgirl
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   Posted 6/28/2007 2:01 AM (GMT -6)   
H.I.P. said...

Dr's don't tell you because these are alternative methods. They are used to prescribing drugs first. Hope this helps!


That is so true about doctors. I was on meds for almost five years before joining a CBT program and getting off of the meds and I have been feeling better nearly everyday since. All of the programs are basically the same content and if you are self motivated you can save a lot of money by just buying a few CBT books and working on the exercises everyday, which is what the program's tell you to do anyway. I like the books by David Burns, Sam Obitz and Claire Weekes the best and they will cost you less than fifty bucks total and much less if you buy them used.

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   Posted 6/28/2007 12:49 PM (GMT -6)   
All very true. Claire Weekes is fantastic, though she is indeed deceased. I think the same for Lucinda and Joe Barry and Charles Linden. Because they teach this stuff, it's in their faces everyday. I think for the majority of us, we are tring to get out of the symptoms first and then work on changing your expectations, etc... Positive dialogue must come into play, even if you don't believe it at first.
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diane8_8
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   Posted 6/28/2007 1:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm going to look into Claire Weekes...never heard of her.

CBTgirl
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   Posted 7/6/2007 4:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry to hear that Claire Weekes is deceased. How old was she when she passed and what did she die of? I believe both Obitz and Burns are still alive, at least I hope they are confused

Tiff_D
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   Posted 12/2/2008 12:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello everyone.....I am new to this thread and to this wonderful site!
 
I recently came to terms with my panic attacks. I used to just hock it up to being a "nervous nancy", but after reading your forum I now clearly see that what I have is a panic disorder. I was up all night trying to come to terms with this fact and trying to accept that my nearly perfect life has now come to  a screeching hault because I now realize I have a problem. A problem I've been ignoring.
 
I remember the day it all started: about 6 years ago I got sick in the middle of nowhere during a long drive to Las Vegas with friends.  I had come down with the flu bug on the long drive and needed a bathroom QUICK! It was 3 in the morning, nothing was open and there was no one in site anywhere.We all pulled off the road to the only thing in sight, an old gross Carls Jr. fast food restaurant. I ran into the bathroom while everyone waited outside in their cars. After about 30 minutes of the most horrendous bought of flu in the bathroom, no one had come in to check on me yet. I was all alone and huddled in a ball on the dirty floor of this gross bathroom. I had to start yelling out for someone to help me because I could not move. It was at that moment, I experienced my first panic attack. Just thinking back about it makes me cringe. A worker at the Carls Jr. heard me and ran out to the parking lot to fetch my husband who was the only one left waiting for me in the parking lot. Unfortunately I had two very small children with us and he could not leave them unattended in the car. He had to put both in a stroller because they could not walk yet and come in to get me. It was AWEFULL!
 
Ever since that fatefull night, I have suffered endlessly with panic attacks. Fear of getting sick , night time and early morning, and fear of driving long distances are my main phobias. However,I experiece EACH and EVERY symptom everyone has spoken of in this forum.....shakes, tightness, lump in the throat, slight dizziness, mild depression, feeling of disconnection, like I'm invisible, feeling of being outside of myself, slightly disturbing thoughts, and what's the meaning to life......I mean the whole 9 yards! It used to only happen from time to time over the past 6 years, but now has returned and happens very very frequently.
 
I would like to find out some more about the CBT methods you are all discussing. I want to purchase one but would like to know what you all think is the best program out there. I am highly against medicines, so i'd like to keep everything very holistic. Please, anyone taking the time to read my LOOOOOONG message, please respond......I would GREATLY appreciate it!
 
Thank you!!!

bigcc_1976
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   Posted 12/2/2008 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I have the Panic Away program and it helped me at first. Actually, I printed the book and brought it with me on my travels. When I began having a P/A I would grab the book and read and then put it into action. I have gotten to the point where I no longer bring the book with me each time a I travel. I know the book basically by heart. Then I had a P/A and tried using the things I learned in the book and it didn't work for me. I am not quite back to square one, but have regressed just a bit. I have been looking into the Midwest Center for Anxiety and Depression, but I don't know if it is that much different from Panic Away, so I have not purchased that program yet.

stkitt
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   Posted 12/2/2008 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   

Hello Tif and welcome to HealingWell.  I am so pleased you found us.  The members are wise and truly caring.

CBT has help so many people and there is a free online site which I will give you info in a minute. CBT is particularly suitable for specific problems such as phobias, panic attacks, eating disorders and depression.

Cognitive-behavioral therapy is based on the idea that our thoughts cause our feelings and behaviors, not external things, like people, situations, and events. The benefit of this fact is that we can change the way we think to
feel / act better even if the situation does not change.

It helps you challenge your negative beliefs and to think about times when you have been successful or to consider what happens to other people in similar situations. Once you are thinking more realistically, you are encouraged to imagine how you would go about confronting a feared situation. You will then be gradually exposed to real life situations.

Again a warm welcome.
 

CBT

The MoodGym Training Program
Just click on link.  You do have to register but it is free.
http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/

 


 

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Tiff_D
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   Posted 12/2/2008 1:07 PM (GMT -6)   

Thank you for your warmest welcomes!

Again, if anyone has an opinion on what method worked best for them and why, please please please let me know. I am reading alot in here about people regressing on these programs......is that the result of our thoughts getting the best of us??

Please advise....

 

Thank you!


bigcc_1976
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   Posted 12/2/2008 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know that I would agree that we have regressed on these programs. I can talk specifically about myself and Panic Away. I got exceptionally better using Panic Away. I did have P/A after being on the program but didn't regress to the point I was before Panic Away. Panic Away certainly helped, and I would say that any type of CBT helps, but there are times after taking two steps forward we may go one step back. But even so we are further ahead than where we were before trying any CBT.

CC

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   Posted 12/2/2008 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
The whole thing is to work on getting better and remember all of the great steps you have taken in recovery. This is what is important. Whenever you may stumble, and life is full of that, you can't give up on yourself. Would you let somebody else do that to you? I have done Panic Away and I would definitely suggest Lucinda Bassett's program to help you out. There is so much more info and things to work with in her program. I have used both of these, and then MoodGYM and eCouch, and both are wonderful (Thanks Kitt and Lynn:). Like I have posted before, I am using all the tools in my arsenal to get better. I don't expect to be perfect, and know I will stumble at times (and I do:), but I keep trudging on :) We have to :) Another great step is coming up on here and having the wonderful support system/friends/family :) Anyway, I wish the best for you :)
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Tiff_D
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   Posted 12/3/2008 10:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, yet again, to everyone and their comments. I will be ordering the Lucinda book and most likely the Linden Method. I understand the it has some sort of diet you stick by in addition to the CBT methods. Has anyone seen a significant change or improvement as a result of the diet and excersise program?

Forgive me if I am asking the simple questions you all already know answers too.....Its been a tough past 2 days coming to grips with my new found problem. Before, as I said, I didn't think it was a problem. I just thought I was being rediculous and crazy. I guess some sort of solace has come from knowing that I have a disorder that is within my control to eliminate. However, it's been nothing but panic attacks for the past few days just worry about the fact that I have panic attack disorder and having to tell my mother, husband, sister and so on. It's been very stressful. Does anyone feel that family members are a great support group or are they always going to look at your like you crazy? Or say things like "it's all in your head", LOL, which I guess it is??

Anyways, I'm happy to have been able to find you fine people on here with kind thoughts and comments!

stkitt
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   Posted 12/3/2008 11:46 AM (GMT -6)   

Family members can go either way.  One day they can be very supportive and the next they just do not have time to deal with our issues.

It is not that they don't care, they don't understand.  That is why we have to work on healing ourselves.

Bless you
Kitt


 

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Tiff_D
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   Posted 12/4/2008 4:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, my thought on that is that I can't even keep count how many times I have cured myself with herbs for various illnesses when all the "experts" wanted to do was precribe me medication after medication.......that would be why I would trust a regular person who has tried something and found it to work for them verses a doctor who has never ever experienced what we are going through so therefore couldn't possibly understand fully what we need to get better.

Seng
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   Posted 1/6/2009 11:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey there,
 
here's a good website for a unbiased review and comparison of the Panic Away Program and The Linden Method.
 
http://PanicAwayLindenMethod.blogspot.com
 
An unbiased review and comparison of the Panic Away and the Linden Method program!

Post Edited (Seng) : 3/19/2009 5:58:32 PM (GMT-6)


Twistedmentality
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   Posted 1/7/2009 12:56 AM (GMT -6)   
is there a book that covers people who have more then one problem such as myself ?i have ocd,panic and i fear i always have something wrong with me and that portion at the moment is taking over my life.

it needs to be simple cause i can not concentrate very well rite now.

i dont mean to hi jack the thread i was just wondering.

thanks and welcome diane8_8

Green Grove
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   Posted 1/7/2009 1:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Twisted :)

Nice to see you again! The best and most thorough program I have found is the Lucinda Bassett program "The Midwest Center for Anxiety and Depression" It is a bit pricey but well worth it. You can get it half off if you are having financial difficulties. You can test drive the program for 30 days risk free also :)

It is not exactly simple but the wording and understanding of the material is easy and you can work it at your own pace. Doing a session a week takes like 15 weeks to complete. I am working it slower so it's been almost for months and I'm only on Session 6, but I've went through so much more like MoodGYM (the link is in the resouirce thread) and Panic Away which I really like becaue it teaches hitting the Anxiety head on.

Anyway, just my honest opinion :)
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stkitt
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   Posted 1/7/2009 6:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Good Morning Twistedmentality

We have a great resources (Resources) in the right column on this very page.
You will find all kinds of books and Amazon.com is linked to the resource info so you can look up the different books to get a review of what they include.
 
Take care
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