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Danxiety
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   Posted 8/5/2007 8:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi there_

I did a search and could not find a relevant topic, so i thought i would ask here. Just a brief description of what i'm taking.
After years of zoloft and 1.5 MG a day i taper over a year to 0 zoloft.

On June 20th of this year i had to go back on zoloft 25MG w/ same dose of klonopin (using ativan only during panic.)
July 27th I had to go up to 50MG of zoloft w/ same dose of klonopin and up to 4MG of ativan a day (I was having daily panic attacks at this point).

After a week of this my doctor was not into me taking the 4MG a day, and wanted to up my klonopin since it has a longer half life. She did all the calculation and figured that 3.5 MG of equals the same amount of the combined 4MG of ativan and the 1.5 of klonopin. Since 4MG of ativan is like 2MGs of Klonopin, she added to 2MGs of klonopin to my dose.

OK! now. The problem is, i'm still have break through of panic, even at this high level of benzos. I really thought this would do the trick and knew this dose would be temporary, but the idea (of course) is to block the panic. After a little bit of time with no panic, i would then be put taper down to a lower dose, preferably the original dose.

So, how can this be happening. You give anyone else 3.5 MG of klonopin a day and they wouldnt be able to walk. Me, i still having morning breakthroughs of panic. Benzos always worked in the past for me. They work very well during panic episodes, and i was always able to just use a little ativan during those times and be done with both panic and the drug.

Another side note, is that everything seemed to get worse with the upping of the zoloft. My doc is convinced that this would have happened regardless, and since i've been on up to 100MG at one time of zoloft she didnt see how the zoloft could induce panic. While she has never steered me wrong in the past 6 years, i'm afraid of what she might want to do next. Also, after a horrible week of adjusting to the new dose of zoloft I finally started to feel as if my body was getting used to it. I wonder if it was because i was on the drug in the past and for some reason or another my receptors are not taking to it, or were shocked by the high dose (its been a year at least since i've been on 50MG). Also, when i went for 0-25 I didnt feel so messed up, but 25-50 really got to me....

So i guess this is a complex medication question that starts with klonopin (3.5) a day not holding me. And zoloft rise from 25-50 feeling like it was inducing panic.

Sorry for the ramble, i'm just a little worried and frustrated.

Thanks
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   Posted 8/5/2007 8:44 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Dan.  I am on 3mg a day of klonopin and I don't feel anything from them at all.  No really, in fact, if I didn't know better, I am proabaly taking a sugar pill.  But yes, the klonopin is working.  I stopped taking it on my own just to see (don't do it) and my anxiety went sky high.  I started taking it again but I don't feel tired at all.  They are working.

Nick

 


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   Posted 8/5/2007 8:51 AM (GMT -7)   
hey nick_

Do you think that it jut might take sometime for it to really get into my blood stream? When i talked to my doctor yesterday (started new dose friday night -- talked to her yesterday) She seemed surprised that i had panic on such a high dose of Klonopin. Yeah, i would never just stop taking anything. After 5 years of medications and stuff, i've felt the wrath of withdrawals. But i'm wondering if there is something else i need, or if i some how poop out on the benzos.

Thanks for the reply nick!
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   Posted 8/5/2007 8:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Zoloft made my anxiety/panic 10 times worse.  Consult with your doctor about switching medications because that may be the problem.
 
I'm on Lexapro and was taking 1 mg of Ativan when I started taking the Lex as I was having panic attacks every day.
 
Now I've weaned myself down to .5 mgs a day of Ativan and take a second one only if I am really panicky... (once a month or less)
 
Perhaps it's time to find another SSRI.  If your doctor doesn't agree and nothing changes... find a new doctor and explain the situation and how you are feeling.  3.5 mgs of Klonopin is A LOT!!! I can't take 1.5 mgs of Ativan without needing a nap LOL, let alone 1 mg.
 
The only recommendation I can possibly have is to maybe cut yourself SLOWLY down from the benzos (with doctor consultation) to 1 mg of Klonopin a day...and then take an additional dose as needed.  That will help you to feel the effects of the benzos.  When your body gets too used to taking that high of a dosage of benzos... more than likely they won't help you on a daily basis.  Which basically means you're going to have to continually up the dose; when the best thing to do is to take the lowest dose possible.
 
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   Posted 8/5/2007 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Dan.  It's me Nick.  Yes, I can say from my own stupidity that klonopin takes some time to get into your system.  The pharmasist told me I should feel somthing within an hour after taking a dose......bull...IMO.  Unless you and me are building up a tolerance (not likely...IMO.), yes, if you take your klonopin exactly as directed, your body will notice it.  Don't take more just to see if they are in fact working becuase they are.  If you take your meds everyday, they do work. And yes, IMO, it does take some time for the body to get used to the meds.  Hey remember, were are all changing the chemicals in our brain to help us at least fuction. But whatever you do, don't stop taking them fast. okay.

Hope this helps a bit.

Nick

 


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Danxiety
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   Posted 8/5/2007 9:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the replies. Twiggygal, do you feel the lexapro is helping with you panic? You mentioned that you felt zoloft made it worse and switched to lex. So i'm curious i lexapro helped you? As far as going down on the benzos, I'm not thinking about doing that. I understand the idea of our bodies become used to the benzos or developing a tolerance per-say. But i just started on this higher dose of Klonopin. It has a longer half life and while its a benzo, it stays in your system longer and really is something I have to take. If i was to lower anything it would be the zoloft.

And thanks nick for the help. I think its true. With any drug with a longer half life it takes longer to acclimate into your blood stream (i believe). But just to let you and everyone, i would never adjust or change my dosage of medication on my own -- especially during a time like this. That is really something frowned upon by doctors, and can lead to other problems as well. I also dont just take anything a doctor throws at me, my current doc that i've had for 5-6 years has always got me through this. This just seems like a tougher battle.

I'm curious in possibly switching SSRIs. But i think my doctor (when i saw here on friday) felt that its was may too soon to know if the zoloft is working or not. That its takes time to get into the system and what not.

In the mean time, i going to try and eat better and drink lots of fluids. I already left my doctor a vm so hopefully she will return my call.

Thanks again for the input and advice!!!
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   Posted 8/5/2007 9:38 AM (GMT -7)   

Dan

In my humble opinion, your physician has the wrong equivalency calculation.

Klonopin .5mg = 1 mg of Ativan (Reference: Professor C Heather Ashton DM, FRCP)

You posted " Since 4MG of ativan is like 2MGs of Klonopin, she added to 2MGs of klonopin to my dose."

Maybe I just did not follow those doses you were posting correctly. :)

Take care and I hope you soon get this straightened out.
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   Posted 8/5/2007 10:02 AM (GMT -7)   
I too hope all will work out not understanding why you would still have all the panic

Hope you are getting this soon figured out

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   Posted 8/5/2007 10:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi lyn,

I totally agree, i mean i felt panic and bad on 25 of zoloft, but since the first dose of 50 my life changed. I felt over medicated and the list of side effects, including daily panic, was obvious to me. I dont want to fight her on this, and i actually understand her thinking behind this. She feels that it takes some time for the zoloft to actually take effect and she has seen it work on me before (I was up to 100MG at one point, but the situation was different, and i never felt it did much for my panic -- ugh). While i understand it, i dont think I should feel worse on it. Yeah, maybe some side effects, but daily panic and anxiety, even while taking all that ativan. I mean i felt (it getting less now) but at a constant state of anxiety and panic, that no matter what i took, it really didnt do anything. So yeah, since my increase in zoloft i've been worse than before. I'm a bit frustrated and sad at the same time. I've been with this doctor for a long time and she has really helped me. But now i'm thinking i may have to consider looking for someone else. The problem with this is it took me forever to find her. I went through so many other doctors that i felt no connection with. She has been great and has always taken into account my input and concerns. I think i may have stumped her, as i know she would never intentionally steer me down the wrong path. she makes herself available to me when its an emergancy, and i hope that today will be an indication that maybe the zoloft is really not helping. One of the problems is, even though see believes me, she tends to look at studies ( and not done by the actual pharmaceutical companies, but others and she could not find one study that suggested the increase or inducting of panic. I'm gonna search a bit more :(

Kitt,

Yeah it took me a while to figure it out, but this is how it works. I was already on 1.5MG of klonopin (steady dose for months). During this panic phase i've been take on average 4MGs of Ativan a day. So if .5 of klonopin = 1 of ativan than 2MG of klonopin would equal 4 MGs of Ativan. Now add the already 1.5 klonopin and it equals 3.5. Yeah, i did the math over and over again and it makes sense when you take into account my current (well was current dose of klonopin).

Thanks for looking into it! I was doing the math a bunch as i too was having a hard time figuring out how it work.

thanks Kitt!
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   Posted 8/5/2007 10:39 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey Your Welcome.......................... I just want you to get past the panic and anxiety as it is so uncomfortable.  I hate it when it jumps in front of me and says - got ya!  I would like to kick it and punch it but I usually just end up in tears and then have to reason my way through it using the techniques I learned in therapy.

I wish for you peace and happiness....................Take Care.


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   Posted 8/5/2007 10:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Dan.  It's me Nick again.  Hey brother I am glad to hear that you don't increase the Klonopin on your own.  It really does cause A LOT of problems.  It happened to me.  I was on 2 mg a day (2-.5mg tablets). http://www.apotex.ca/products/en/Search.asp?Type=General&SearchText=clo
 
I thought they were not working and went ahead a took 2 extras a day.  Well guess what?  I ran out of them about a week early. And because they are a controlled substance (here in Canada), (but are NOT considered narcotics) I had to wait and entire week to get a refill.  It was pure hell for a week.  Only after seeing my MD and explaining to him what I did, he increased the dose to 3mg a day only on a verbal contract that I NEVER do anything like that again on any medication or he would give me 3 months notice to find another family doctor (which is really hard to do in Canada at the moment and I have had him since I was 24 and am now 36).  He was really upset and told me that if I ran out again, he would NOT allow and early repeat.  So now I have to count all 180 tablets each refill to make sure that the pharmacy didn't make a mistake (it does happen).
 
And even when he increased me to 1mg more, I still do this day don't feel anything within an hour of each dose.
 
I find that for panic attacks, Paxil works for me.  Now anti-depressants DO take several weeks to notice that they are working.  But some people don't like Paxil and Benzo's becuase they are addictive.  IMO, I really don't care if they are addictive as long as I can lead a somewhat normal life.  So please don't feel bad that your on a Benzo.  Don't get me wrong, Benzo's don't cure our anxiety but rather help us cope so that we can at least learn why we have an anxiety problems and use other coping measures like deep breathing (and yes it takes time to learn to do it correct to put yourself asleep) and getting the help you need like talking with others in the same situtation either here or at a support group (but I have found that being in a support group made me feel worse at the end of the day becuase of all the crying you get to see-but if you can handle it-GO FOR IT). 
 
I also never knew that .5mg = 1mg of Ativan.  Now there is one that you will feel really fast as they dissolve under the tongue.  I had to take two of those just before surgury on my back and I was "out".
 
In any case, you will be fine.  If you find that you are nervous or anxious and can't wait for your next dose, come here and you will most likely find someone with the same situation.  I do.
 
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   Posted 8/5/2007 12:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Nick_

Great points all around. Yeah, i like coming on here cause of all the great advice and support as well as means to pass time. For me, some times thats what i need to make it to my next dose or even through the day. A positive "distraction" from the anxiety and panic.

I just got off the phone with my doctor and she has an interesting idea and point. First, she recognizes the fact that i am possibly developing a phobia for sleep (since panic broke through at midnight when i told my friend on the phone it was time for me to hit the sack). She also said that klonopin has a 12hr half life and since i'm taking it around 5-7PM that around 5-7AM there is not much left in me to hold the panic. I told her the panic attacks are about a 7 (not a 10) but i still needed to take Ativan because the 7s continued and would get stronger. So she set a new rule for me, just for the next few days cause she really wants to break this early morning reoccurrence. So, no matter what time i take the klonopin ( she wants me to hold off if i can til about 9PM) that i need to wake up 8 hours later and take my morning dose. So the idea is to wake up before the panic breaks through and take the next dose not allowing it too. I see her tomorrow early in the morning, so if i do have panic again tomorrow morning i'm sure she will want to try something new.

I'm glad she is adjusting and working with me, and i do feel she is really smart and knows me best. She doesnt think the zoloft can or would induce panic. She did however say that it just might not be giving me any beneficial effects, and that some of the side effects can be irritating me. This week I'm starting a serious program to help me cope and understand this stuff better and will be working with some of the best psychiatrists in my area. I feel good about this, and just want to get back to my normal day to day life.

thanks again for the advice. And yeah, ativan used to work like a charm. Whenever i would have a panic attack ( usually situational, or triggered attack 1 to 2MG max would set me straight. It was like Panic was a balloon and the ativan would almost immediately deflate it. It doesnt really have that effect anymore. Or at least it doesnt for me right now...

take it easy!
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   Posted 8/5/2007 12:39 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Dan.  It's me Nick.  I would definately try what your doctor told you to do.  I know this might sound lame, but I write in a journal everyday and how I feel.  Then I bring my journal to my doctor and he reads it and holds onto it.  If your not shaking like a leaf from anxiety like I do somedays, you may want to consider trying it.  Then you can look back everyday and follow your progress.  No word of a lie, on my frst page of my jornal, my writing looks like "scrible" becuase I was shaking so bad.

I do have one question for you.  Do you find that when you are having a panic attack at night in bed, you sweat really bad or wake up in a cold sweat?  If so, like I did, that's a great time to take the Klonopin (9:00pm) as your doctor said.  It did stop the cold sweats which was the worst for me.

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Danxiety
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   Posted 8/5/2007 1:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey nick_

yeah, one of the symtoms for me is heat radiating (or the feeling of that) from my body. From there i will start to swallow a lot (like I'm salivating a lot or something, not air). Faster breathing, heart racings, and all that start to happen as well.

Journal isnt lame nick, i have one and write in it a bunch. The one thing my therapist has said that i never really noticed, is that i never really show nervous behavior. So even when i'm really nervous and writing fast its very legible. In fact, it almost gets worse as i get better, maybe because i dont care as much (subconsciously). So yeah i've been writing a lot in my journal, as much as 5 times a day. The interesting thing about that is when i go to see my doctor i only have an hour and each of my entries can be up to 4 pages. If i read it all (and most of the stuff is really repetitive) I would have no time left in my session. I bring it with me, so i can read certain days, or certain occurrences, but i do find that its mainly for myself to get through the rough times. Also, I know have to write everything i'm told down. If i dont, i will forget with in 20 minutes (good ol' benzos) So each time i talk to my doc and she want to make any sorta med change, that goes right into the journal. As well as the log of when and what i'm taking everyday. This way if i'm asked " What time did you take the klonopin 3 nights ago?" I can refer to my journal and not have to try and guess (even though its usually the same time each day, give or take an hour).

Thanks nick! Hopefully tonight i will be able to get through it without any panic. That would be great cause i'm going on (checks journal :) 5 days...

Dan
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   Posted 8/5/2007 1:45 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Dan.  3 days ago I took my Klonapin at 10:00pm EST.  Then I take the rest at 11:00pm and off to bed I go.  One of the things I hated the most was waking up in a cold sweat (I mean like my bed sheets were just clinging to my body-even with the air-conditioner on).  That's when I really new there was something wrong and went to see my MD.  And that's when I was told that I had really bad anxiety after my MD put me through a lot of tests (like blood work, etc.).

Yes, try taking your meds as directed by your MD and it will probably help you through the night.

Hope this helps just a bit.

Nick

 


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Danxiety
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   Posted 8/5/2007 3:13 PM (GMT -7)   
it sure does, thanks nick!
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   Posted 8/5/2007 3:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Dan, I'm not familiar with Klonopin, but I'm familiar with morning anxiety!  I take Xanax.  When my panic was at it's worst, my doctor also suggested that the Xanax already wore off by the time I woke up.  I then kept a glass of water next to my bed.  AS SOON as I woke up in the morning, I swallowed the Xanax, then just tried to do some deep breathing exercises, all before my feet would even hit the floor.  This seemed to help a lot.  All the best to you, and good luck with your doctor's appointment!  Julie :-)
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   Posted 8/5/2007 6:25 PM (GMT -7)   
thanks julie! Klonopin is in the same class of drugs as Xanax. It to is a Benzodiazepine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine). It has a longer half life than Xanax so it takes longer to kick it and sticks around in your body for a longer period of time. Whats great about Xanax is its fast acting relief! If you even have a panic attack and you put it under you tongue it dissolves and gets into you blood stream really fast. Fast than ingesting it. Anyways, tonight the plan is to hold out on the klonopin until latish (9-10) then i'm setting my alarm to wake me up 8 hrs after the time i take the dose. So even if i fall asleep around midnight, i will wake up at 5 to take my morning dose. The theory is to wake myself up before the panic dose and before the medication is out tapering off.

Anyways, thanks for writing, i like the idea of breathing exercises in bed. Its a very proactive of battling panic and anxiety. I might have to try some of that tomorrow when i get up to take the medication. I really would like to beat this and not have it re-occur every single morning. It takes so much out of me during the day :(
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   Posted 8/6/2007 9:38 PM (GMT -7)   
3.5 mg of Klonopin is quite a lot. Usually this dose is reserved for people with seizures, not A/P disorder. My best (and uneducated) guess is that you built up a tolerance to the Ativan and it simply "ruined" benzos for you. The only alternative would be to taper off very slowly, quit for some period of time, and then begin benzo therapy once again.

I'd suggest you first find a new doctor, then talk to them about what to do.

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   Posted 8/6/2007 10:14 PM (GMT -7)   
thanks man_

I dont think i built a tolerance for the medication, but its possible. I was at a very low dose for a long time, so kicking it up a lot should really help. she only wanted me at that dose for a very short period of time. Like to put up a brick wall for the panic.

I dont think i'm going to search for a new doctor. She has done me right for 6 years now. but one cool thing i am doing is a program at a hospital with other Psychiatrists and Therapist. I was really lucky to get into the program, and it seems pretty intense (in a good way -- not a intensity bad for someone with anxiety or panic, but in a sense of lots of support and knowledge, and a staff that is incredible). The doctors are supposed to be top notch, so i'm excited. My doctor trained with some of them so they now each other and she trust them, so that makes me feel good. Also, she want other people to see me and see what they think, which i think is awesome too.

So its kind of the best of both world, she got me into the program and when i'm there they will be able to evaluate and adjust or tweak thing accordingly.

Anyways, thanks for the reply! I'm gonna go to bed soon and hopefully have a panic free morning!!!! It would be the first in 6 or 7 days!...

best all!
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   Posted 7/11/2014 2:48 PM (GMT -7)   
I just began seeing a new psychiatrist, she prescribed Atavan 1 mg, no help at all, we tried 2mg, still, nothing, as a matter of fact, it kept me up through the night. She also increased my Zoloft ( which I have been on for 10 years fro chronic depression...) from 100mg to 200 MG, I am going through unemployment for the first time in my life and the anxiety and stress were unmanageable!! I am now on Klonipin 1 mg, still nothing, the good news is that the Zoloft increase has REALLY helped my depression, I was worried b/c I have been on it so long, meanwhile I have never taken a benzodiazapine, and can't seem to find one to control the impeding anxiety..any suggestions??HELP!

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   Posted 7/11/2014 11:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi B.B. and welcome!

I am sorry to hear of your increased anxiety currently.:(

Glad however, to hear that you have a P-doc to work with, and hoping that you can get things stable again with his/her help.

Are you currently doing any therapy or self help work?

We have some great material and suggestions in our Resources found on the main page, 1st post.

Doing the stress relieving exercises daily could help you get through this rough time.

Keep posting with us as well. We understand, and are here to listen and support anytime.:)

Please consider starting your own thread of introduction if you feel comfortable doing so, that we may all officially welcome you aboard.:)

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   Posted 7/12/2014 8:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Dan. Am amazed at how well you write taking jntonaccount that you are on anhigh dose of klonopin. At my highesf usage f Benzos I was taking .5 Xanax and 1.0 Mg klono. While it did tame my anxiety. It also made me quite forgetful and have a cloudy head making it so hard to concentrate. I do hope you can combine natural coping skills. For me that is paying ofninnthe long run. Good luck!

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   Posted 7/12/2014 9:59 AM (GMT -7)   
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Locking this one down due to its advanced age.:)

blubuddy...you can still start your own thread, or respond to any newer threads at any time.:)

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