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Sad & Angry
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   Posted 9/18/2007 5:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,
 
I am on Effexor and Trazadone 100 mg. On Sunday I miised my Effexor and but I took the Trazodone in the night and went to bed, but I couldn't sleep the whole night! I was up till about 3:00 a.m. and then only fell asleep, and the next day I was so tired!
 
Is it because I missed the Effexor?
 
Has other experienced this? and have sleep disorder? Please share with me.
 
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   Posted 9/18/2007 6:50 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Sad & Angry,

I too take Trazodone for sleeping.  I am bipolar.  I know if I miss my Trazodone I won't sleep  (I know you didn't miss the Trazodone)...I've taken Trazodone for a very long time.  I started years ago...back then I was taking 400mg a night!  I can't even believe that!  Then my insomnia actually went away for almost a year.  During that time I was off Trazodone.  I just started taking it again b/c my insomnia is back full force.  I am taking 50mg, which for now is enough.  I may have to go up to 100mg, but I don't think much more than that.  The only reason I was on that much way back when, was because I was working nights and needed to sleep after my shifts...Still...

I'm just wondering if you need an adjustment on your dosage?  My Dad is also taking Trazodone and he is finding that he actually has several nights where he takes it, but he still doesn't sleep.  I have found over the years that I will in fact have the odd night where I wake up or can't sleep.  If this happens more than once for you, if it starts happening a few nights a week, or every night, talk to your prescribing doc, and see if you need to go up a dose.  But make sure you talk to your doc first.  Don't adjust anything without talking to your doc first.

Basically you should reach a dose where you won't have sleepless nights, or you may have one once in awhile...I'm not sure how long you've been on the Trazodone.

Anyway, let us know how you're doing :-) Get some rest.

Oh!  Almost forgot... Something else... When I take my Trazodone, I make sure I am in bed or at least just watching TV, but the minute I feel it kick in I go to bed.  There have been times in the past where, I've taken the Trazodone, someone called and I answered the phone and talked...or some other distraction comes...and the Trazodone kicks in...but I'm still awake doing something, and before you know it, it's like I've missed it's effect, and I'll end up not sleeping that night.  I've found I have to go to bed when it kicks in or it won't work.  Might be something to think about


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Post Edited (mogli) : 9/18/2007 7:50:45 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 9/19/2007 8:19 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi,

I take Trazadone for sleep also, and I have a 50 mg - 150 mg range, I almost always just take the 150mg as I am sure I will sleep on that, so I agree with above, you may need a slight increase in the Trazadone.

Take care of you and I hope you soon sleep like a baby. :)
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   Posted 9/19/2007 9:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello,

I too have a 50-150mg range, I started on 50mg, but most nights I take 100 or 150mg, depends on the night. I am with Mogli, and Stkitt you may need to increase your dose. After a while your body gets used to the same dose.
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ChristianWithHope
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   Posted 9/19/2007 6:18 PM (GMT -7)   
How long have you been on the Effexor? The SSRI's take time to build up in your body - and they take time to leave. If you've been on it for awhile, I doubt that missing it once would have a terrible effect. But everybody's different.

For me, I usually take a 1/2 dose the next morning and then a regular dose that night - but that's strictly my uninformed, uncertified approach (but it's been ok for me).

You should ask your P doc what you should do if you miss a dosage so that you don't have to speculate. : )

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   Posted 9/20/2007 10:58 AM (GMT -7)   
I am also on 100 to 150 mg range and if I dont go to bed with hot milk or not go to bed within a certain time frame it seems to work opposite as Mogli posted

Dont know if thats true for all but I know it happens to me so I get hot milk go up to bed take Trazadone and lights out in 20 min to 30 at tops ........and sleep like a babe for a good 4 to 8 hrs depending on amount I take ..........

** I too have to up my dose at times but the doc has me on between 50 to 150 it comes in a bar and 50 mgs per bar so easy to break up ....... yeah ..here in Ontario anyways .....lol


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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 9/24/2007 7:50:23 AM (GMT-6)


Sad & Angry
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   Posted 9/22/2007 7:35 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey I thank all of you for that information. All of you gave me some good information. I think Mogli, I must have taken it in early, and then when the effect came in and I was up, it didn't work when I really wanted to sleep.

And Lyn I must try the hot milk and see. I wasn't sure if milk is safe with any of these medications? Specially the Effexor?

And Christianwithhope, I have been on Effexor from last December (06) and my system cannot be used to it?

My biggest prolem is finding a good Dr. The one I have is so hopeless, I have to just plead with her to give me medication. And this is giving me more anxiety just to go and see her. She always says that I will get used to medication! But others have told me that these med are not habit forming. It is very frustrating. I even went to the emergency to see if I can get another refferal for a Psh, but was told that I have to go through my GP. But he doesn't have anyone else in his list!


 
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   Posted 9/22/2007 4:24 PM (GMT -7)   
HI Sad
The hot milk is the BEST I had Normal hooked to it she doesnt take any meds but found that the hot milk with a touch of cinnamon I believe or a wee bit of chocolate did the trick for her
I use the 2% milk and I heat it in Microwave it has a Natural ingredient in it that activates when heated ........A bit of a coating will go on top just use a spoon to take it off and add some cinnamon or just a small amouint of chocolate ..........Even if I dont take the trazadone IT still is so soothing and calming it is unbelievable ..............but then think about baby's milk it needs to be heated ....breastmilk is warm and it not only nourishs them but puts them to sleep

Cait has one at night most nights too and there has been no problem that I have heard of with the AD's and she is on one ......with me it is the milk thing and Crohns BUT I refuse to give up my hot milk at night for anything or anybody lol

LET me know hun how you make out .........

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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 9/22/2007 6:19:28 PM (GMT-6)


Sad & Angry
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   Posted 9/22/2007 4:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Lyn, I am going to try starting tonight..... :-)   I am dreaming of milk now... I did hear about a while back. But I never took it seriously. Well Lyn, you have got me hooked... I love milk though...
 
 
 
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   Posted 9/22/2007 5:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Let me know how it goes
Remember to take trazadone and have hot milk right there and I mean hot ..........I do so hope it makes you fall off and feel comfy cozy like it does me ........

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   Posted 9/23/2007 10:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Well I had Trazadone and a hot milk and put the lights off and watched tv and gradually  I felt the sleep coming on, so I put the tv off and slept till morning. And I didn't feel tired, like other days... So Lyn, I am going to do this from now on.... 
 
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   Posted 9/24/2007 6:35 AM (GMT -7)   
I have been reading here, as I have issues falling asleep sometimes. I can't drink hot milk, I am not a fan of milk, but when I do have it, it has to be ice cold, like straight out of the fridge cold. I wish I liked milk more, it seems to do wonders.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents!
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   Posted 9/24/2007 6:57 AM (GMT -7)   
HUn.........alot of ppl dont like the HOT milk but you can add just enough chocolate for a bit of that taste..........not too too much and you will get same sleepiness........or cinnamon to the top of it
I do the Cinnamon thing mostly ...............

Cold milk also has a calming effect but I dont think it works as well as when activated by heating ya know ........
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   Posted 9/24/2007 7:00 AM (GMT -7)   
...........Sad ..........AM so happy for you that it did work and I should have mentioned the no hangover feeling thats the best EH...............
 
Yahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I am sooooooooooooo glad you slept sweetie ..............
 
yeah                      yeah               yeah               yeah                     yeah            yeah             yeah
 
.........Doin the "HOT milk dance for you .............I think I am losing it .......lol   tongue
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   Posted 9/24/2007 4:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh yes no hang over feeling.... Thanks a lot Lyn for sharing that... It has made a big dofference for me. This morning I didn't feel tired at all at work.... Hurrah!
 
 
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   Posted 9/24/2007 5:01 PM (GMT -7)   
GREAT news

I have talked about this alot in the past ...........like I said Normalsnofun got hooked ......she slept like a babe ....takes NO meds at all for her A/P and it is bad ......but she chooses to go it thru this route............

** I have a big Big MUG like a beer stein thingy and fill that over half full I am out like a lite in no time .....and yes I too have to turn TV off or I will get inot watching something and it works the opposite ........

I do good on 50 mgs depending on stress and " stinking" thinking but 100 works fantastic and nope notta feeling of any drugyness( is that a word LOL) or hangover........

Take care

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   Posted 9/24/2007 6:32 PM (GMT -7)   

Yehaaaaaaaaa

Way to go Big Sis....your milk advice is super and I am so glad Sad got a great nights sleep.

I am sorry Tammy that you can't take the milk.  I do well with only Trazadone.  I can't tolerate dairy product prior to bedtime due to my Gerd.

I love hot chocolate with real milk but I was born in Wisconsin, the Dairy State and of course love dairy products.   yeah     yeah yeah

Hugs

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   Posted 9/25/2007 5:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Well I am still taking warm milk and razadone at night and really enjoying it and have been able to sleep well. And since taking milk and Trazadone, I haven't been waking up in the middle of the night either.... Yippeee...
 
 
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Sad & Angry
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   Posted 9/28/2007 3:44 PM (GMT -7)   

O.kay something is wrong with me!

Even though I have been able to sleep during the night, I still have the tiredness during the day. And Man! its getting to me..... I can't concentrate at work properly....etc....

Yesterday I had a meeting to attend to after work and came home late..... and then I went to bed. This morning I got up, and all the way to work I was feeling so sleepy and groggy... and then at work I took some coffee and that made my mind race, ( that's why I avoid caffeine as possible) but that didn't make that groggyness go away.

I am scared this way I could lose the job.....

 

 


 
 
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   Posted 9/28/2007 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
hi Sad im on Effexor 150mg and i cant drink normal coffee anymore only decaf, but i know that when i missed my effexor but still took my mirtazapine i couldnt sleep properly and felt all uhg. i take my effexor with dinner, and sometimes i still cant sleep until late, even with my mirtazapine. im not sure about razadone i havent had them before, but some mornings i do feel groggy for a few hours after waking. especially if ive had a really good night sleep. So although the warm milk helps that may be causing the grogginess, hope this helps... :-)

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   Posted 9/29/2007 4:47 PM (GMT -7)   

Thank you liquid, I don't know what it is that's causing the grogginess. I have been having this for a while now.

I take my Effexor in the morning and take Trazadone in the night.

I wanted to see my GP today and didn't get a chance with all the other work I had to get done.

 

 


 
 
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Danxiety
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   Posted 9/29/2007 5:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey there. I dont know if this is even valid, but maybe from all those sleepless nights before your body is really tired. So even though you are getting a full night sleep the anxiety and sleepless night before made you a bit weaker. Maybe in the begin you were so excited and felt so good to get a good night sleep your body reacted accordingly. But know that you've fallen into a routine of sleep, you body is now responding to all the fatigue from before?

Also, maybe you're getting too much sleep now? maybe your body was getting used to sleeping less? I dunno, thats a long shot, but i'm just throwing it out there. I've been experiencing similar feelings. I actually feel asleep at my desk two weeks back, and that was after a great night sleep. I dont dare drink caffeine so i try and deal with it the best i can. Its getting better now, but when it was really bad, i would go for walks -- just quick ones around the block. And that seemed to help some. I would also drink a lot of water, cause i think i was a bit dehydrated as well...

Anyways, best of luck!
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   Posted 9/29/2007 8:33 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Sad,

I don't know if I know all the meds your on.  It could be another med completely that is causing the fatigue.  Also do you by any chance have sleep apnea. 

I do not believe that milk at night would make you feel tired  or fatigued in the morning.

Do you take your shower in the morning, sometimes a good stimulating shower will jump start your morning for you.

How about exercise, do you have a regular work out routine.  You will feel better if you exercise regularly, say 30 minutes at least 3 times a week.

And of course, if this continues as a problem, you should talk to your physician and make sure it is listed as a problem in your medical record so you can protect your job status as it is a health issue. Keep posting and gentle hugs.

 


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   Posted 9/30/2007 11:41 AM (GMT -7)   
I have to say that Dan could very well be right '

IF I get too much sleep I am tired and have to nap in the afternoons ..........

Prior to the trazadone and hot milk I had a couple of hours a night and seemed okay
4 to 6 hrs is good for me .....and I do soak my head every morning
I DONT do coffee at all I would climb walls .........

How many mg of the trazadone do you take hun .........I only take 50 unless really stresed out with my cuppa hot milk ..................

I also think that the a/p plays a big part in our being tired during the day but thats only my opinion........

Kitt has some good inpt aswell
Wishing you a better sleep and no dozies in the day..................
Luvs
'LYN
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Sad & Angry
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   Posted 9/30/2007 1:16 PM (GMT -7)   

Thank you Danxiety, Stkitt and Lyn for your input.

Stkitt, now that you put it, I was sent for sleep apnia, and although I did it, I am not sure if I really have that! So I didn't go to purchase it. But with what has been going on lately, I don't know if I would have to purchase that equipement.

Lyn I take 100 mg of Trazadone becaue 50 is not enough for me.

Since it was sat and sun I took a nap in the afternoon.


 
 
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