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chowch
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   Posted 10/15/2007 2:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi all - I wonder if anyone can shed a bit of light for me. I have been having panic attacks and anxiety for about 7 years and only recently started taking 20mg citalopram every day. I had been fine for about 6 weeks, no attacks no anxiety no nothing and recently I have started waking with a racing heart again, I am struggling to take my son to school, we leave as late as possible so that I don't have to hang around in the playground. I have recently started doing evening aromatherapy parties again - I do get tense before these but the income I earn from them is important, I have a CBT session today at 1600hrs, but just wondered if anyone had any ideas as to why I have been perfect and back to normal almost and now I feel like I have been set back to beginning again. nono
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   Posted 10/15/2007 3:48 AM (GMT -7)   
Has there been any type of triggers lately that you are aware of .......
Do you think the med is helping you or is it in your system yet??

Most A/P peeps for whatever reason do have setbacks some small some on a larger scale ........

It sounds like you are not doing to bad but worried enough about it to post .........

I would really ask your Doc to see if this is the right med for you and if you may need a short term fast acting med for inbetween just til this or another med may finally work for you

JUST my own opinion

I wish you all the best hun

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   Posted 10/15/2007 4:00 AM (GMT -7)   
The only triggers that I can think of are the aromatherapy parties - I haven't done one for about 6 weeks........the meds are definitely in my system - I have been on them for about 6 weeks but just feel a bit setback with what's happened, ie attacks are back
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   Posted 10/15/2007 4:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Well I can only think it might be that this is not the med for you ?? What is your thoughts about this med do you think it has helped or no .........

Sometimes so many have to be gone thru to find the RIGHT one for you .........

I do wish you all the best and plz keep us posted.........
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   Posted 10/15/2007 5:45 AM (GMT -7)   
I definitely think it has helped but can't understand why I have been feeling anxious lately - perhaps it's the introduction of the parties again?!
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   Posted 10/15/2007 5:54 AM (GMT -7)   
That very well may be it you might have some "Anticipatory anxiety " coming out due to that hun and I would suggest trying some relaxation tech breathing techniques ect to help you along the way when you get like this ........

See what happens the next time you plan and schedule a party .....write down what and how you feel ....

You may have just answered your own question.......

Take care and I am interested to hear how you make out

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chowch
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   Posted 10/15/2007 6:53 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for all your support!
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   Posted 10/15/2007 10:46 AM (GMT -7)   
NOT a problem
Remember to let me know k

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   Posted 10/16/2007 3:10 AM (GMT -7)   
I had my first session of CBT yesterday and it was great - I woke up this morning without heart palpitations and felt quite calm just going through in my mind what the therapist told me. He said the more we avoid situations the worse the panic will get and there is no such thing as failure - just feedback! I am terrible at putting demands on myself all the time and then punishing myself if I don't do them. He told me that it would be impossible to faint through having a panic attack, the feelings associated with fainting ie the dizziness etc, is because of hyperventilation which means more carbon dioxide in the system than you need - hence the dizziness. He told me to go through the motions of the attack and keep saying to myself that nothing can happen, I feel uncomfortable but that will pass. He said the body can't keep hyperventilating for too long a time because it gets tired so it will naturally calm down! It all made sense and made me feel a lot better and I am looking forward now rather than dreading each day. I have another appointment in 2 weeks. Does anyone else have CBT and have found it a help? I think we should start a post with CBT advice from the therapists meetings that we have to help everyone!
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   Posted 10/17/2007 1:35 AM (GMT -7)   
tongue  My Mum and I went to the opera last night to see Carmen at the local corn exchange and went for an Italian prior to the show. I had a panic attack in the restaurant, but for the first time ever, I sat through it, let it wash over me, kept saying that my body will have to calm down soon because it can't keep hyperventilating up, it needs oxygen and lo and behold.....it did and I could enjoy the rest of my evening panic free. I was very proud of myself for being able to do it, but I have to say if it wasn't for my Mum, I may have got up and walked out just to ease the symptoms but I told my Mum all the advice from the CBT session and she stuck to it rigidly and helped me immensely!!!! yeah


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   Posted 10/17/2007 4:06 AM (GMT -7)   
yeah  Kudos to you my friend ..........
 
WHAT a difference a day makes eh and a good therapist that will sit and explain all to you until you are able to connect with it all and looks to me thats what happened............
 
tongue  OUT for supper ..no panic attack that YOU could NOT BEAT down....way to go hun.......... way to go I am so pleased that you are already using the tools she gave you to start on the CBT
 
:-)  I do an online free CBT workbook and workshop and for me it does help out tremendously.....
 
I am sure others would post their successes with CBT and they may have some pitfalls as well remember we are all the same yet different ..........
 
Each time you go to your session come to this thread and write what you did and how you made out with it ....not only benefitting you BUT helping others as you go along .......
 
SO very proud of you ...........YOU have all the right to be proud of what you acheived and accomplished last night .......
 
Kudos again and loads of gentle huggs .........
 
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chowch
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   Posted 10/30/2007 3:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Just wanted to fill you all in as I had another CBT session yesterday. I now have been asked to keep a thoughts diary. I have to sit down at a quiet time in the day (4pm for me) and think about the last 24 hours. I have to put down any events/situations that have made me anxious, write down all my emotions leading up to event and at time of event, then give them a panic mark from 0 -100 (100 being frozen stiff), then I have to write all the thoughts running through my mind at the time and leading up to it. My therapist said that this will enable us to see what triggers these moments, and then we can look at working out how to overcome them. He want me to do a stress ladder from 0 -100 with all the things that I avoid doing right up to 100 being the thing I dread most doing and then we simply start at the bottom and do it! My bottom rung is standing in playground at my son's school - we were a bit late this morning but am determined to do it every day if I can. Therapist said that the more often you do it, the less you will panic. He said it will peak and then it will come down and you will be fine. He told me he didn't want me to use any of my distraction techniques (ie talking, looking for mints in bag etc), he just wants me to go with the panic and then rate it. I mustn't be scared, because he assures me that it IS a physical impossibility to faint. I have another appointment in 2 weeks, but I do feel like I am getting somewhere now and that there is light at the end of the tunnel. I have managed to sit through one panic attack - and lo and behold - nothing happened - I just calmed down! Amazing how you are in a state of delirium whilst panicking - despite being told I couldn't pass out - I still thought I might! Will keep you all posted! xx
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   Posted 10/30/2007 8:21 AM (GMT -7)   

Way to Go.............great progress.  Your on you way.  I am so proud of you.  Please keep on with the CBT and also keep us up to date on what your working on if you don't mind sharing. :)

I enjoyed your post very much.

Hugs to you.

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   Posted 10/30/2007 9:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Chowch

It's great to hear you are really working on this. You sound better in spirit (just read your first post) now. I think you're doing a great job and it's nice to hear you are facing the feelings you have. Most people try and avoid, but like you doctor says, it snowballs and makes things worse... Great job and please keep us posted!!!

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   Posted 10/31/2007 7:08 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't mind sharing what my therapist says because if it helps someone half as much as it is helping me then that's great. Therapy is superb, and I could sit and talk to him for hours. I just wish I had done it years ago! I may have had a very different "confident" life! Please, also if anyone is reading and it has helped please post on this thread so I can see that some good is coming out of it for others as well as me!
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chowch
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   Posted 11/13/2007 2:31 AM (GMT -7)   
I had my appointment with the CBT therapist yesterday and he seems pleased with my progress. I had to do one thing that set me off which at the moment is dropping my son off at school and standing in the playground, every day I did what I was told and felt that after doing this for 2 weeks my anxiety seemed to drop. Now he wants me to start analysing my panics on a bit of paper and recording the severity and also the thoughts/images running through my head at the time and then up to 24 hours afterwards, to right the reasoning to support the attack and against it and then state whether I should believe in the negative or positive and rate my mood after. Quite clever because the reasoning makes you think how silly it is and that nothing is going to happen. Appointment in 2 weeks!!
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chowch
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   Posted 11/27/2007 2:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Saw my CBT therapist yesterday, and he was really pleased with my progress - no panic attacks for over 2 weeks now - he suggested that I attempt to do something whereby I would normally have an attack. I am not due to go back to him now for another 3 weeks so in 2 weeks, me and my husband are heading over to Norwich airport to have a coffee. I don't like airports and get very anxious in them even before I have had to board the plane so this will be a real test for me. So the 15th December is something for me to aim to now, if I don't do it I won't be disappointed with myself and I can try again whenever I want to. Sometimes facing the fear is very hard but worth it!
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chowch
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   Posted 12/19/2007 3:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Ok, this was my last session before Christmas (next appointment on the 7th Jan 08). My therapist was well chuffed with me on Monday. I haven't had a panic attack for about 5 weeks now and bizarrely am hoping that I have one so that I can deal with it as from my sessions I have learnt so much about them and their feelings, my feelings and also whether my thoughts are sensible or not. Therapist says this is what usually happens when you accept them, and when you want one you don't get them. I conquered my biggest fear on Saturday with the help of my husband. We went to Norwich airport (I always have attacks in airports - just the general hustle and bustle and feeling of impending stress!) but I was absolutely fine, we stayed and had a cup of tea, listened to the children singing carols and off we went. I was soooooo proud of myself. I also conquered another biggy for me. At my son's school playground they had a Xmas Fair last Friday and they put me outside right amongst the throng of all the parents picking up their kids at 3pm ( I won't even stand there when I collect him as it makes me feel claustrophobic). Anyhow, coped really well and surprised myself. My husband helped but he spent most of the time amusing our son with Father Christmas' grotto and all the other stalls selling their homemade wares!
I can honestly say, that CBT is the best therapy going and my therapist is wonderful. He genuinely cares and genuinely gets excited when you are too. Nowt better than that. So on my session I thought seeing as I hadn't had an attack for ages he may want to reduce my sessions to once a month rather than twice a month, but he has decided (with discussion by me) to conquer another one of my phobias which is blood. I can't say I am looking forward to this one, he wants me to watch him have blood taken and watch myself have blood taken, do the diabetes scratch tests on ourselves and then my ultimate with this phobia is to be able to give blood. Wish me luck. Anyway, I do hope we get some more posts on here rather than them all being from me, it is nice to have support, feedback and encouragement even when you are doing well. Have a lovely Xmas one and all.
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   Posted 12/19/2007 8:46 AM (GMT -7)   

chow

That is wonderful news and I am thrilled that the CBT is working for you.  I hope you are so proud of yourself.  Look how far you have come.

It warms my heart at this special time of year to hear that you have come so far. 

Please enjoy yourself immensely over the holidays and please keep on posting.

Out of this world ~ Wow ~ Congratulations

May the Christmas season fill your home with joy, your heart with love and your life with laughter.
Gentle Hugs,
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