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Posted By : Tim Tam - 8/10/2017 7:41 PM
Lanie:

I just signed up yesterday for the Nutrisystem diabetic plan, which sends you 3 meals a day for a month, which is balanced with whatevers and good carbs not bad.

I'm realizing every time I eat, I get more hungry the more I eat, which could be the diabetes, it could be I'm eating fast bad carbs which make you more hungry as you eat.

In other words, I've given up on trying to figure out how to lose weight, and how to eat low carb. I'm going to let someone else figure that out.

While typing this, I've also just realized, it could be my meds which are also adding to my appetite and overweight. Oh, bad.

My brother lost weight on Nutrisystem, but I just now realize, he doesn't take any medicine. Oh, no. I already wondered if this new plan was going to work, now I'm realizing the meds could do me in. Gosh. No way to escape.

I take Lithium mood stabilizer for bipolar, and Mirtazapine for depression, so as I think about it, that's probably why I want to eat the house down with every meal.

They do say you can get a refund after two weeks, which is good, it won't be a complete waste. They did say you can have one little snack after supper, right. Like that's going to hold me. Whew!

So, I got my doubts about this program, but I do want to try it and at least check it off my list if it doesn't work.

What do you think? For people who take medicine, is there any way to lose weight, or lower carbs?

Post Edited (Tim Tam) : 8/10/2017 7:44:58 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Lanie G - 8/10/2017 7:51 PM
Hi! I don't know really. There are so many different factors to consider about losing the weight: medications you're taking, your own personal metabolism in general and how you're metabolizing carbs, activity, the food you're eating, etc. I'm not familiar with that plan. It might work well enough for someone who does not have blood sugar problems but for a diabetic or someone who's insulin resistant, it might be different.

And there's blood sugar to consider. How will this plan affect the blood sugar?

If you can get into some steady activity, that would certainly help. Sorry I can't help more.
Lanie

diabetes moderator
diabetes type 2 controlled by diet and exercise and
metformin
very low carb way of eating

Check out the following site for more info on blood sugar:
www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

Post Edited (Lanie G) : 8/11/2017 6:54:57 AM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Sherrine - 8/11/2017 9:24 AM
I tried Nutri-System years ago...when it just came out. I had digestive issues with it so my doctor wrote a note and I was able to get my money back.

Anyone who wants to lose weight has to make an effort. It's not going to just fall off (oh, how I wish). You have to read labels and monitor your portions. Just because one want to eat a full plate of food doesn't mean their body needs that full plate of food.

I have tried every diet out there and even tried a psychologist and also hypnosis. Nothing worked. Then I read about counting carbs. It's very easy to do and I lost 85 pounds and have kept it off for years. It's not a diet. Diets don't work. It's a way of eating for life and it's very healthy for everyone. There is a ton of info on the Internet about counting carbs.

You can eat nearly all vegetables. Corn and peas are high in carbs so I rarely have them. I do eat white potatoes but monitor the rest of my meal. I know Lanie Isn't a fan of eating white potatoes but there was no way I could give up my potatoes. A small potato is 15 carbs. I usually will eat a medium size potato and count it as 30 carbs and the rest of my meal will be lean meat, the size of the palm of my hand. that has NOT been fried, and a nice salad. This way I'm having around 45 carbs for my meal. Again...portion size is important.

Many times I put my dinner on a dessert plate. I know....you are thinking that I can't possibly be serious, but I am! I have plates that have been in my family since the early 1800's and the dinner plate is the size of our modern dessert plates. My family owned a farm so they did a lot of hard labor but yet this is what they ate their dinner on. It's all a matter of perception. If you hadn't eaten in a week and was given a dessert plate of food, you would think you were having a veritable feast and would be quite satisfied when you finished!

You can visually divide a regular dinner plate in half. One half should hold vegetables. The other half you visually divide in half again and one section is for lean meat and the other section is for a starch.

For me, I limited myself to 100-120 carbs a day. That is equivalent to a 1,000-1,200 calorie diet. I lost the weight, my blood sugar went down and I have good control of my diabetes. I never ate a lot of carbs at one time either. They were spread out in three meals and a snack.

For me this has worked beautifully. Losing the weight and watching the carbs brought down my blood sugar levels and I feel so much better now. And it easily is something I can do for the rest of my life.

By the way, I do take quite a few medications for all of my health issues but yet could lose weight.

Sherrine

Forum Moderator/Fibromyalgia

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Posted By : Tim Tam - 8/12/2017 10:02 AM
Sherrine:

That is indeed an encouraging post.

It's just what I needed to pep me up and get me out of my defeatist attitude.

In case I don't stay on the nutra-system pre-packaged diet/diabetes plan, it's good to have a plan B. You said,

" I have tried every diet out there and even tried a psychologist and also hypnosis. Nothing worked. Then I read about counting carbs. It's very easy to do and I lost 85 pounds and have kept it off for years. It's not a diet. Diets don't work. It's a way of eating for life and it's very healthy for everyone. There is a ton of info on the Internet about counting carbs."

I tried a month or two ago to lower carbs, and I had my usual shaking attack on the second day, I'm thinking from low blood sugar, which was 107, down from I'll guess my usual/average 137.

I could get the numbers low, but I just couldn't keep from shaking when it got down, for me, too low. Or, from not eating enough. Carbs are for mental and physical energy, I've read, and my body just couldn't go on.

How low can your blood sugar get before you have problems?

You also say,

"For me, I limited myself to 100-120 carbs a day. That is equivalent to a 1,000-1,200 calorie diet. I lost the weight, my blood sugar went down and I have good control of my diabetes. I never ate a lot of carbs at one time either. They were spread out in three meals and a snack."

It's good to have numbers.

I'm going to print out your post for my plan B and see if it might work.

Posted By : Lanie G - 8/12/2017 10:46 AM
Tim Tam, a person's body gets used to high blood sugar over time and when the blood sugar goes down to real normal blood sugar, then sometimes the person's body may start to act shaky. That shakiness is a reaction to getting used to normal blood sugar and the shakiness (which differs with people, it could be queasiness, etc.) will disappear if that person keep his blood sugar at normal levels.

Normal levels is always under 120 at any given time, and the average normal blood sugar is in the mid 80's. A non-diabetic's blood sugar might spike higher than 120 after a very high-carb meal but it will go down to normal within a couple of hours.

Please read the link in my signature. There are studies posted there that indicate that regular, long-term blood sugar over 140 almost always leads to health complications. Health complications due to high blood sugar being above 140 over time include: heart (coronary heart disease and heart failure, etc.), eyes (glaucoma and retinopathy), kidneys (kidney failure), circulation (neuropathy). Google side effect of high blood sugar. 140 is about the equivalent to 6.5 A1c.

I understand that you had been bothered by the shakiness but I think you need to understand how your body is metabolizing (or not metabolizing) carbs. As I've said many times before, carbs are what make our blood sugar high. The fewer carbs you eat, the lower and more normal your blood sugar will be.

As far as losing weight, I think you need to talk to your doctor but normally people are successful when they combine diet and exercise. Eating a lot of carbs will keep the weight on especially if a person is not taking medication to lower blood sugar. Exercise uses up the glucose in our system so it accomplishes two or more things actually: helping to control blood sugar, losing weight, adding stamina and strength. Exercise also helps with mood. Before starting any program like that make sure you start slowly and be wise about how you exercise. Hydrate with water.

One of the best eating plans would be a decent portion of protein (meat, chicken, fish) and lots of vegetables, greens and some fruit like berries. Fruit is high in carbs but berries seem to work best with diabetics and people with blood sugar issues. The more colorful your plate is, the more nutrition you'll get.

When you eat your meals, look at the food on the plate. Where does most of the food come from? A box or a package? It should come from the produce section. smile
Lanie

diabetes moderator
diabetes type 2 controlled by diet and exercise and
metformin
very low carb way of eating

Check out the following site for more info on blood sugar:
www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

Posted By : Tim Tam - 8/12/2017 3:40 PM
To Lanie, Sherrine, and to myself:

Mystery solved.

The mystery of, why can't I lose weight?

Why when I cut back to diet level meals, I feel like I'm going to faint before I can get out of the kitchen?

Because...of the three medicines that I'm taking.

Elementary my dear Watson, elementary!

I finally took the time, ten minutes, to look up the three medicines that I'm taking, to see the side effects, to see if any of them said: weight gain.

They all three have weight gain.

When "Lithium" did not list weight gain, I thought that sounded funny, so I typed in "Lithium and weight gain". This is what it said:

(verywell.com)

1. LITHIUM: “The mood-stabilizing drug lithium remains an effective mainstay of treatment for bipolar disorder—but unfortunately, it can cause weight gain. Although the possibility of gaining weight while taking lithium is well known, this side effect does not affect everyone who takes the medication. (25 per cent, but I think it's double that.)

"After analyzing all relevant published medical studies, the authors reported an average weight gain of approximately 10 to 26 pounds among those who experience this troubling side effect."

2.MIRTAZAPINE, (anti-depressant)

(A patient is recorded as sayingsmile

"I should add that when I started mirtazapine, I couldn't stop eating, even waking in the night craving food however for the last month I have curbed this and have replaced my binging with fruit and vegetable but with no improvement."

3. CARVEDILOL: (for high blood pressure)

(drugs.com) “I have had rapid weight gain since taking carvedilol. My food intake has not changed that much, however maybe my salt intake has been higher.”

So, that's where it is. It took me to ordering Nutri-system month worth of food to figure this out, but it was worth it. I'll get an almost full refund, all but $20 of the total.

So Lanie, I think we ought to start asking people who are asking about dieting, "Are you taking any medicine?" Get them to look up the side effects, but in a separate question on the search engine, as in "(Your medicine) and weight gain."

Especially if they are having trouble losing weight.

So, as least I found out, and it was from nice discussions with you two, and my ordering Nutri-system diet food, and from my trying to cut back today at lunch, and feeling dizzy with hunger an hour or two after lunch.

It didn't make sense.

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