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Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/30/2012 1:43 PM
Hi all,

I'm so happy to find this site. I'm a new member and I have spent the last few days learning a lot from reviewing the posts on hepatitis.

I'm a 40yr old male, married with 4 kids. I have been a drinker for much of my life. I was more of a weekend drinker, then turned an after work drinker over the last few years.

I have really screwed up over the last year. about a year ago, I went in for a complete physical. It was just time, no particular reason. As part of that they ran a liver function test. The results were not to good. AST was in the 170's and ALT was around 200. I happen to be on antibiocs at the time so the Dr ran them again and they dropped in a couple of week to AST 150 and ALT 171. Still very high but going in the right direction. He sent me in for an ultrasound and they diagnosed fatty liver.

Here is were I messed up. The Dr. said to make another apt in a month and I didn't. He also told me to stop drinking. I only did that for about a month. I have continued to have my beers after work until about 3 weeks ago, I went on a fishing trip with some friends for almost a week. We basically woke up to bloody mary's and partied all day everyday while we were there. When I returned about 2 weeks ago, I woke up in the morning and my eyes had some yellow in them. I freaked out because I know that it could be jaundice. I did some reading over the last week about it and so I checked my tougue it had some yellow and the roof of my mouth. My urine was an unusual dark yellow as well.

I will be scheduling a Dr apt this week. I stopped drinking and it's been about 10 days. I have been eating healthy, working out, drinking lots of water and taking milk thistle. I have not seen any improvement as of yet.

So I have a couple of questions I hope I can get some opinions on.

1. Is there anything more that I should be doing until I get in to the Dr?
2. The jaundice doesn't seem to bad, skin is not showing and you can barely tell in my eyes unless you look real close. Any thoughts how long it will take for the yellow to go away? Am I looking at one month? a year?
4. Should I go to the emergency room for this? Don't seem to have any side affects at this point
5. Since I got Jaudice is that a sign that I probably have scarring?

Thank you all, I know I need to get in and get my labs done again. I'm just praying I didn't screw up enough to have scarring and I can make a full recovery. Thanks in advance! Love the site!

Oh and btw, my screen name is meant to be positive. Means treat every day as if it were your last.

Posted By : hep93 - 7/30/2012 2:10 PM
Hello, Lastdaytoday, and welcome to the forum. We are glad you found us. Congratulations on stopping drinking. That is the best single thing you can do for your liver. And understand this is a long-term commitment, not just for a week or month. If you have difficulty with staying stopped, please seek out an AA meeting near your home.

To know where you stand as far as cirrhosis, the best thing would be a liver biopsy. Some places now use an alternative diagnostic tool, such as Fibroscan.

Hopefully, you have escaped major damage. However, if you have been jaundiced, chances are that you do have cirrhosis. The staging for this must be done through biopsy. You did not become cirrhotic due to the last round of drinking, but rather an accumulation of alcohol abuse over the years.

Diet is important in stopping or slowing the progression of cirrhosis. Abstain from eating red meat and boost your intake of fruits and veggies. Keep sodium intake to a minimum. Drink a lot of pure water.

You might want to use the Search feature above to input "fatty liver" and that will pull up previous posts about fatty liver.

I also suggest that you get a referral to a hepatologist (liver specialist.) Primary Care docs, and even GI docs, are not always familiar with liver disease and how to treat it.

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Post Edited (hep93) : 7/30/2012 2:13:27 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : MamaLama - 7/30/2012 2:11 PM
Hi LDT and welcome to the forum.

We are not a medical team, rather a group of patients and caregivers of folks with liver diseases of all kinds.

There are some interesting posts at the top of this forum with information and url's you might like to read.

I'll also recommend you read back through the posts because there are so many that apply to your situation.

There is also a SEARCH button at the top where you can put in a key word on a particular topic or medication and find out specifics on a single theme.

Your situation should be more clear once you have been to the doctor. The most important thing for you to understand is that drinking alcohol can be a death sentence for you.

Yes, you did make a mistake in not following through with your sobriety and doctors appointments some time ago. Your new diagnosis will likely be alcoholic cirrhosis. I can't image that you have jaundice and dark urine that you don't have scaring in the liver.

I am hoping that you are going to see a hepatologist at a major medical center. The local GIs are nice enough and they often have large liver disease practices, but the BIG guns at at major medical centers. Cut and past this into your browser:


http://liversociety.org/html/liver_transplant_hosptials.html

What you can do now? You are doing part of it -- committment to sobriety and healthy diet and exercise. But you need to know that once a liver is fully decompensated, Stage 4, there is no cure bar transplantation.

Your hepatologiest needs to do a liver biopsy to see the condition of your liver. Don't wait on this, it is important to know.

AND to be eligible for a transplant, if needed in the future, a patient must be 6 months sober with documentation of a treatment program, counseling or AA type meetings signed by the speaker. My Mike has Hep C, is an alcoholic and had liver cancer. He thought he could get sober on his own, and he likely could have, but the center would only take the documentation...to be sure. AND he had to meet several times witha psychiatrist who wrote a letter stating he believed Mike was committed to life long sobriety. He waited to go to AA and thus had to stay alive longer waiting to get a liver!

You ask about the jaundice. That is really a function of both your sobriety AND the current condition of your liver. And sometimes there can be obstructions in the bile ducts that cause jaundice also (but you would likely have pain that would send you to an ER if that were the case). You may have periods where the jaundice subsides, but my friend, this condition of yours isn't going to go away.

Some who drink alcoholically get sober and have long periods where they feel well...those folks who are Stage 1 or maybe Stage 2. But when it gets bad, it will get bad. you currently are not reporting edema in your legs, ascites in your belly, easy bleeding or bruising ( if there is bleeding from the mouth or rectum, get to an ER FAST), shortness of breath, changes in mental status (Hepatic Encephalopathy is caused when the liver cannot clear wastes from your body and return them to your blood stream -- patients report being crazy, forgetful, angry, confused, sleepiness, etc), GI symptoms (nausea, vomiting, diarrhea), high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. So far so good for you. This can get very serious.

I urge you to take this situation seriously. Another binge could bring you to death's door. Hopefully some of our sobered up, pre transplant folks will chime in...this could be your last chance to nip this thing...not in the bud...that ship has sailed.

Welcome aboard,
Mama Lama

Post Edited By Moderator (hep93) : 7/30/2012 2:20:00 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Mariel52 - 7/30/2012 2:16 PM
Dear LDT,
 
Mama Lama and Connie are absolutely right about everything they said. There is not much I can add, other than consider your wife and children and what you will be putting them through if you make another mistake.
 
If you can't do it alone, get help. But don't kid yourself that you can drink. You can't, if you want to stay healthy for those babies.
 
Best wishes,
 
Marie

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/30/2012 4:02 PM
I really appreciate the honesty. I know I screwed up last time. I'm not doing it again. Actually I like being sober. I don't have any real issues that drove me to drink that much except it runs in the family. I'm done drinking!

Thank god, no swelling in the legs or ascites in my belly. No bruising that I can see at this point. I do feel a little fatigued. I have had a horrible time trying to sleep but I think that has to do with stopping the drinking. I guess I was used to passing out.

I have a phone apt with my dr tmrw and an onsite visit for Thursday. I will ask for a referal to a Hepatologist tmrw. I hope he just refers me.

I assumed I would have some scarring as well. I'm so mad at myself but I guess what's done is done and just to the right things going forward.

Time to live a more healthy life for my kids... thanks again for the input thus far and I will send an update. It was great how quickly you all responded!

Posted By : hep93 - 7/30/2012 4:08 PM
Please don't "should" on yourself. You can't change the past, but you can make sure going forward that you take care of yourself.

All of us here really care.

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/30/2012 4:53 PM
Another question please..

I've been reading much on the subject, looks like Jaundice is a sign of stage 4. I had no idea I had already gone through 1-3. Anyway, my question is that although I have only seen the symptom of jaundice at this point and I have stopped drinking. Is there a chance that I could still develop the other symptoms? My guess is yes but it would be nice to know if I caught it in time before it progressed further as far as the additional symptoms.

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/30/2012 5:05 PM
Looks like I misread. just because I have jaundice does not necessarily mean I'm stage 4. So much information and I can't seem to get enough of it

Posted By : hep93 - 7/30/2012 10:09 PM
"Is there a chance that I could still develop the other symptoms?"

If you go back to drinking you will. And you could develop other symptoms down the road from damage that has already been done to your liver.

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Post Edited (hep93) : 7/31/2012 7:08:37 AM (GMT-6)


Posted By : arneeb - 7/30/2012 11:33 PM
take a deep breath... you didn't come here over night... not gonna get help over night too....
you're in the right place... take it one step at a time... one problem at a time.. come here often and ask questions... glad you are sober... take care...
Sandia
There is no pit so deep that He is not deeper still... Corrie Ten Boom

Posted By : MrErythema - 7/31/2012 4:47 AM
Connie does the OP have Hepc?

Posted By : hep93 - 7/31/2012 7:09 AM
Mr. E, thank you for pointing this error out to me. I believe I had him mixed up with someone else. I have corrected my post.

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : A.Ziffle - 7/31/2012 7:22 AM
" So this is a cautionary tale. "

I don't read minds E but I think Connie was referring to her own situation and how it can progress if UNTREATED . This fellow seems as if he is trying to figure out what he's got ( With help of a DOCTOR ) , Something another person who post here regularly should give a try .



A. Ziffle smilewinkgrin
I learned long ago , never wrestle with a pig . You get dirty , and besides , the pig likes it .

G.B Shaw

Post Edited (A.Ziffle) : 7/31/2012 7:25:07 AM (GMT-6)


Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/31/2012 11:32 AM
Thanks for the posts. At this point, yes I'm trying to not only get an idea of what I have but learn as much as I can so that I can ask the right questions when I visit the Dr. later this week. I have learned a lot already and also founds some pretty good posts on the digestive system on youtube. Also my intent was to make sure I'm doing all of the right things as far as diet, excersize ect.. while I'm waiting for my apt with the Dr.

I'm sure they will send me for a biopsy pretty quick and then I will know the extent of the damage. My jaundice is not as bad as I have heard but it's definitely there. I'm hoping that means my biliruban score is not to terribly bad. I have been getting cramping in my hands and feet which are terrible when trying to sleep. Any advice on dealing with cramps?

Post Edited By Moderator (hep93) : 7/31/2012 2:18:36 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : MamaLama - 7/31/2012 12:25 PM
Many have chronic cramps in hands and legs.  My Mike had them so bad he would fall down trying to get out of bed to walk them off!  There isn't much he found that helped. But we did notice he was best when his electrolytes were best.  And he had a hard time keeping in balance. They'd put him in the hospital for this or that, fill him with IV fluids and albumen or potassium or whatever was goofed up and he'd be good for a while.
 
Some drink tonic water for the quinine, others likely try the bar of soap in the sheets.
 
Unfortunately he is complaining of some cramping again...only a year out from transplant.
 
I will be interested to see if any others have some good remedies that work.
 
Good luck,
 
Mama Lama
MamaLama
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


Partner received liver transplant May 1, 2011, Jackson Memorial, Miami, FL

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/31/2012 12:40 PM
That is very true. When I first starting to get the cramps in my foot, it was constant. Every time I would lay down, bang it would hit. I got absolutely no sleep. Then I really focused on my electrolytes and potasium and I got much better. Still get them but nothing like they were. Thanks for the advice.

Posted By : MamaLama - 7/31/2012 12:47 PM
LDT, are you taking diuretics? Some of them flush too much potassium so they can switch you to one that is potassium sparing -- Mike took them both and that helped for a while. Carol
MamaLama
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


Partner received liver transplant May 1, 2011, Jackson Memorial, Miami, FL

Posted By : **David** - 7/31/2012 1:13 PM
When my liver was failing, I had continual cramping. My hepatologist prescribed quinalone and it really helped. It's expensive and you can use tonic water instead, though it isn't as good.
nullum beneficium impunitum...

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/31/2012 1:19 PM
No I'm not on diuretics. I find that it helps to stay hydrated of course but also when I make sure my feet are lower then my body when I sleep that helps! It might be a circulation thing.

Posted By : hep93 - 7/31/2012 2:17 PM
"getting crapping in my hands and feet"

I'm taking the liberty to correct that, as I'm sure you meant cramping. smilewinkgrin

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 7/31/2012 3:46 PM
LOL! Thank you!

Posted By : **David** - 7/31/2012 4:17 PM
If this was concerning the use of lactulose - crapping would be appropriate.

Posted By : A.Ziffle - 7/31/2012 4:34 PM
Yet another reason to wear a full body condom when going to a public restroom or using a ATM .



Ziff
I learned long ago , never wrestle with a pig . You get dirty , and besides , the pig likes it .

G.B Shaw

Posted By : Junyiu - 8/2/2012 1:44 AM
Hi there Lastdaytoday, I have hepatitis C and interferon treatment few years back. I am one of those unlucky one who do not have any responds to the treatment.
I heart that milk thistle can help with liver disease. And you mention that you have tried it. What do you think of it? Does it have any effects at all?
I dont know if I should try using milk thistle, but my DR does not recommend it.

Posted By : A.Ziffle - 8/2/2012 6:42 AM
Junyiu , Alot of people including myself use or used milk thistle . I eventually quit because it didn't seem to have any affect and it typically is expensive if you get it in it's purest form . A lot of vitamin and miracle cure manufactures not only are bogus but some short change you on the ingredients .

My Doc begrudgingly allowed me to use it at the time but with a stern warning about possible ill side effects , Not enough proven evidence it works and last but not least " Playing doctor with myself " . I'd say just stick with real vitamins from a good source and do what your doctor ask .



A. Ziffle
I learned long ago , never wrestle with a pig . You get dirty , and besides , the pig likes it .

G.B Shaw

Posted By : hep93 - 8/2/2012 8:40 AM
Juneya, welcome to the forum! I would like to suggest that you start your own thread to introduce yourself and your situation to others. Posting a first post to someone else's thread, you could "slip through the cracks" and we don't want that. Just click on New Topic instead of Reply.

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/2/2012 1:14 PM
Honestly, I couldn't tell you if it is doing anything for me. Even if my #'s get better, I have really changed my lifestyle so It would be hard to say what improved my #'s. All of the reading I have done does not show any major side effects, so I see no harm in taking it if there is a possibility of it helping protect my life cells.

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/2/2012 1:22 PM
Bilirubin, total 3
Bilirubin, conjugated 2.1
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 328
ALT 102
AST 167
GGT 4549

I just received the results from my labs since I became jaundice. 1 1/2 years ago my Bilirubin was normal. My ALT actually was 170 so that went down but my GGT shot though the roof!!

I have another lab scheduled for tomorrow and then a ultrasound next week. I guess I will find out more and more.

Post Edited (lastdaytoday) : 8/2/2012 1:52:32 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : MamaLama - 8/2/2012 3:43 PM
LDT, This is very worrisome. Remind me, you are seeing a hepatologist at a major medical center, right? There are so many posts in the last few days I am getting confused..and I don't have Hep C fog...

The GGT is one of those things that can indicate that something is wrong, but isn't really a clear indication of what. There are articles that say it can indicate bone disease or liver disease, can be elevated with some cardiac conditions. It is goofy with bile duct problems, may be elevated with certain cancers. Not very helpful, eh?

You need to talk to the docs, get on the right meds, eat right, no alcohol.

Are you having epsidodes of confusion? Bruising or bleeding.

Let us here about the rest of the labs and your ultra sound.

Get ready for the bumpy ride.

Mama Lama
MamaLama
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


Partner received liver transplant May 1, 2011, Jackson Memorial, Miami, FL

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/2/2012 4:16 PM
Yes, not good numbers at all. I have not have any issues except the slight jaundice and cramping in my hands and feet. These are the first labs since I noticed the jaundice 2 weeks ago.

I have been working out daily, eating very well. No fatty foods, lots of fruits and veggies and lean white meat. Lots of water. Haven't even looked at alcohol in 2 weeks and don't plan to. On the bright side my mind has never been so sharp!

Posted By : MamaLama - 8/2/2012 4:41 PM
LSD, You need to add prayer, my friend. Best, Carol
MamaLama
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


Partner received liver transplant May 1, 2011, Jackson Memorial, Miami, FL

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/3/2012 4:50 AM
Prayer has and always will be part of my life!

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/4/2012 12:55 AM
Bilirubin, total 2.4
Bilirubin, conjugated 1.4
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 330
ALT 131
AST 242

Posted By : hep93 - 8/4/2012 10:07 AM
LDT, those are high numbers. Have you spoken to your doctor about them?

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : cable poodle - 8/4/2012 11:10 AM
When my husband was cramping, we tried alot of things, Potassium, pickle juice, vinegar . . any old wives tale we tried it. Then on a 3 -4 day vacation @ the hospital, they gave him Magnesium. No more cramps . . as soon as he was out of the hospital they started again . . we determined that the meds he was taking was stripping the Magnesium, along with dehydrating him and that is where the cramps were coming from.

Post transplant he is still taking a Magnesium supplement 1600mg a day.

My opinion is that the dehydration, from the liver not processing is the reason for the cramps, because he had them long bfore he was on any medication. Even though you may be drinking water/fluids to hydrate, it's not going to the muscle, causing a cramp. Soon, the water he was drinking went straight to the belly/Ascities .

When first diagnosed w/ESLD, my husband drank lemon water, and he actually felt a little better and his MELD score dropped . . it may have been in his head or mine, but it can't hurt!!

Good luck
Debbie
Successful transplant Feb. 8,2012 at Pittsburgh VA Medical Center

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/4/2012 11:45 AM
Hep93,

Yes, I am talking with the Dr. He had me take 2 labs so far, only 4 days apart to just confirm the counts and to make sure nothing spiked in a few days. The numbers are way to high but at least my bilirubin dropped from 3 to 2.4 in 4 days. I have an ultrasound scheduled for Tuesday and also meeting with the chemical dependency department as well. Might as well get those meetings started as well.

Posted By : MamaLama - 8/4/2012 11:48 AM
LDT, and this doc is a hepatologist, not a primary care or GI doc? If not, with your numbers you need to be referred to specialized care.

In addition to the fine work you are doing with diet, exercise and alcohol cessation.

Carol

Post Edited By Moderator (hep93) : 8/10/2012 9:15:34 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/4/2012 11:49 AM
CP,

Thanks for the information on cramping. My cramping has gotten much better. I have been taking Magnesium, calcium and eating foods high in potassium. Of course lots of water. It is horrible to have cramping so often that you can't get a wink of sleep!

Posted By : hep93 - 8/4/2012 12:49 PM
I've been taking 800 mg a day of magnesium ever since transplant last Oct. They also had me on potassium, but only for a month or two.

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/4/2012 2:06 PM
It has only been a few days since I received my lab results but Tuesday when I get my ultrasound I will request a referral to a hepatologist. Appreciate the advice.

Post Edited By Moderator (hep93) : 8/10/2012 9:16:12 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/9/2012 7:03 PM
Initial feedback on my ultrasound. Back on Monday for more blood work but at least some positive news about no lesions or obstructions.

D/w GI case. Ultrasound does not show any lesions or obstruction or other etiology. Strongly supsect this is etoh hepatitis. Will take 4-6 weeks to calm down when this inflammed.

They do recommend one additional blood test - smooth muscle antibody to rule out a rare biliary liver condition.


Recommend recheck LFT in next few days or week,will do the additional test as well.

If lft generally stable as they have been and smooth muscle ab test is neg (this will take 3-5 days to get done) then recommend follow lft every 2-3 weeks till they normalize

Posted By : Star971858 - 8/9/2012 7:29 PM
I haven't read much of the other posts but what I did read is yours. If you have yellowing happing that is not a good thing. I would say that you need to get to the hospital ASAP. or the very next day. As soon as I went to the doctor and they told me I have hep c I made an appointment with a liver specialist. I am only 34 and not a heavy drinker but I have a bad past and I have been clean. Take care of yourself and it seems that you are doing that already.


Star

Posted By : **David** - 8/9/2012 7:44 PM
Star, I hope you're not drinking at all, now.
nullum beneficium impunitum...

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/10/2012 5:50 AM
Hep A IgM, EIA Non-Reactive
Hep B surface AG, EIA Non-Reactive
HEPATITIS C VIRUS AB, EIA QL Non-Reactive
Hep B core IgM, EIA Non-Reactive

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 8/10/2012 5:02 PM
Bilirubin, total 1.3
Bilirubin, conjugated .9
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 294
ALT 149
AST 219

Thank god total Bili is back in normal range, conjigated still high. Odd that Bili is better but ALT went up.

Posted By : hep93 - 8/10/2012 9:17 PM
Good that you have no viral hep!

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : Star971858 - 8/12/2012 6:33 PM
No drinking for me David.

Posted By : lastdaytoday - 9/4/2012 6:47 PM
I hope everyone is in good spirits. I have not posted recently. 2 months without a drink and I'm feeling much better. The hard part was getting over the grouchy period after I quit drinking. I was starting to think my wife liked me better when I was drinking. JK but I was terrible. Anyone going through that mean stage or has a spouse going through it, god bless you! It will pass.

I have been to many social events recently. I was very nervous being around all the friends and drinkers but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I just kept thinking... did I act like that when I was drinking??!!

I'm eager to get my labs done again this week as I'm tracking week to week and determined to make a full recovery. One day at a time!!!! Just thought I would check in. Have a great day!

Posted By : A.Ziffle - 9/4/2012 7:27 PM
The drinking thing wasn't a big issue for me to start with , I simply stayed away from places that I may be susceptible to drink . After over a year of doing that successfully I went to my little brothers birthday party , The ultimate test of caving in you might say .

Upwards of 40 adults getting blistered . My wife and I couldn't wait to get outta there but we drove the birthday boy and his wife there , Truly a eye opening experience into my past behavior to say the least . The longest evening I ever spent in my life baby sitting a bunch of drunks . On the way back home to my brothers house ( He and his wife passed out ) , I looked at my wife and said " What in the hell did you see in me ? " The smell of liquor was so bad I had to roll the windows down in 30 degree weather .


A. Ziffle
I learned long ago , never wrestle with a pig . You get dirty , and besides , the pig likes it .

G.B Shaw

Posted By : hep93 - 9/4/2012 8:40 PM
LDT, great that you continue to be alcohol free! It's important to stay away from people, places, things that would trigger the need for a drink. Your numbers should normalize, though it may take some time. It could be that part of your liver has some scarring, but hopefully you stopped in time to avoid the worst of ALD.

Hugs,
Connie
hep93
Forum moderator - Hepatitis


"But that was yesterday, and I was a different person then."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Liver transplant recipient, Oct. 27, 2011, at Mayo Hospital, Jacksonville, FL

Posted By : Thi - 7/31/2017 9:38 PM
Hi LDT!
What done is done, pls don't weaken your immune system with panicking (that would make u going down hill even faster)
I don't know much about liver problem, so I can't give you advice much. BUT the reason I am here because my alcoholic of 40 year drinking bf refused to go doctor, no matter how much I begged him. Just like you, I started to googling a lot about liver cancer because my bf starting to show jaundice and itching and hiccups and his breasts are growing bigger.
I am writing this because I really want You to check out by googling this Japanese herb, FUCOIDAN. My brother (a medical surgeon in Viet Nam) an alcoholic (for 30 years of drinking) 5 years ago, one day threw up after just a sip of beer, obviously his body could not take anymore. My mom in Viet Nam said my brother has liver cancer and hospital did a surgery on him, cut 2/3 of his damaged liver out (by the way, I am not sure about liver tranplant in VN if available or not), but all I know is 4 sisters of us in US keep buying Fucoidan sending to VN for my brother drinking and he is still alive and strong and healthy now.
Fucoidan is very expensive. We spend at first $3000 a month for our brother and eventually, as he getting better, we spend $2000 and now $1000 and still sending.
It is never hurt to check it out. I don't know how is your financial situation likes, and I can guarantee u that I am not trying to sell this product. I am not a dealer. Just that thinking about u have a wife with 4 young kids, really sadden me.
I hope and pray that it's not too late for u. Don't give up, keep fighting, find a way, because I always believe that there must be something out there can help u. Very important that u keep maintain a good diet, no processed food, no sugar, no salt much, drink fruit juice that homemade from carrot and tomato, drink milk thistle, eat more veggies, and check out Noni Juice.
And pls go to ER NOW, not tomorrow, wait no more
I don't want to scare You, but our friend just died from secondary liver cancer, once he had symptoms, he was going down hill very fast.
Again, the first thing u need to do now is go ER and no panic, make sure u are keeping your immune system strong, and your brain functioning good, so u can think clearly and make better decisions to fight this terminal illness.
Pls let us know how it goes with doctor appt
Good luck
God bless Us all
Thi

Posted By : Thi - 7/31/2017 9:40 PM
Hi LDT!
I just wanna add this:
Pardon my English
thing.




I have removed your email info as the administrator does not like for us to list personal info in our posts. You can go to your profile & put your email address there & members can access it. Thanks.

Post Edited By Moderator (straydog) : 8/1/2017 1:38:12 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : ppm guy - 8/2/2017 11:24 AM
hi Thi and welcome,
if you would like to start your own thread on alcoholic liver disease,would like to hear from you. I stay away from discussing alternative liver treatments.

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