Joint Pain with No Inflammation??

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Baybreeze
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   Posted 9/14/2008 8:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I have had the same thing happen, tests come back fine, even though I have severe pain around joints. I have even had tests come back with very visible inflammation around my ankle, and boy was it painful. But yet, the ESR and some other tests came back "fine". I also get the feeling around my joints as if they were extremely pressurized and feel like they are about to explode! And I also feel like they need to be cracked or something. Visually it reminds of blowing up a balloon just as it reaches the point of popping. Sometimes I wish I just stick a pin in my joints and let the pressure out. When I'm that achy and pained, though, my joints won't crack, even if I try.

_Christina
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   Posted 3/20/2009 1:12 PM (GMT -6)   
idea  I also have joint pain with very little or no swelling.  Sometimes I can see a redness around the joints in my fingers when they are hurting, but they have never been more than mildly puffy.  When my joints get really bad it feels like there is 'crud' in the joint- and if I could just take it apart, clean it out, and put it back together clean it would be all right for a while.  Other times I feel like it needs to pop so bad that it might just make it feel better to break it and just let it heal without the pressure.  (Yes, I am aware that all of these are BAD ideas.) 
I don't know if I have had the ccp test, but when I had the Rh test done in Feb '08 it was really high.  (I wanted to write the # here- but I don't remember it!) I haven't had x-rays done since I was first brought in to the office about a year ago, but at the time I had much less joint pain daily.  I guess it has turned aggressive since then.  They didn't show any evidence of RA at he time, I wonder if it would be different now.
 
 
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SteveB.
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   Posted 4/7/2009 2:48 PM (GMT -6)   
There are a lot of medical treatments readily available for joint pain problems. Hence, trying out the natural way may not be harmful to both the budget and health. There are also a lot of natural ways in treating common joint problems, however only a few pursue in using it all the way. There are online sites that can help us understand more of those innovative natural ways. A little sacrifice in reading and scanning through web pages can be of great help.
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jonny gorg
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   Posted 4/8/2009 7:19 AM (GMT -6)   
i am sufferring from joint paint since last 2 years.I have done RF test which came out to be positive, but when i went to a rhumatologist he made me do CPP test which came out to be normal.Hence he also made me do SGPT test whose number was quite high and was shown as 243.
The sign of this pain is not good as i have stiff joints in the morning and the joints also hurt all day long.
can my high SGPT be the cause of it?

davisjone
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   Posted 12/7/2012 11:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes..its possible to have non-inflammatory joint pain. Many people do not have muscle pain or tender points, its just the excruciating joint pain.
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jeanneac
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   Posted 12/9/2012 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Mandolen, I saw where you have crohn's. Do you go on the crohn's forum? A lot of people with IBD get inflammatory arthritis. It just goes with the territory I am sorry to say. I had inflammation in my intestines and I ended up with inflammatory arthritis too but I had positive tests. I hope your pain gets better soon and that the docs can do something for you. Don't give up.
d 1/09 with colitis sigmoid colon with some diverticular disease as well, Colon resection Nov. 2010, now in remission!
seronegative RA, type 2 d, asthma, skin scleroderma, VSL#3 probiotic, Vit. D, nexium, synthroid,
Positive ANA speckled pattern 1:180, high sed r

Bets6182
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   Posted 10/19/2017 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
I have joint pain in my hips, ankles, wrists , finges toes. It gets to the point where theres days I can't even move. I was put on prednisone for 10 days had no pain at all until I was done with med and then the pain started to come back so my Dr. Order blood work it came back with a Ra factor of 10 , Sed rate of 2 and ana negitive. If the steroids completely took away my pain isn't that a huge sign of RA and inflamation. How do I come back showing to have neighter?

straydog
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   Posted 10/20/2017 10:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello Bets I happened to see your post & welcome to Healing Well. . So sorry to read that you are struggling so much. If you do not have a diagnosis of RA, I suggest that you ask to be referred to a rheumatologist for an evaluation. Preferably one that specializes in RA if possible. A GP is not a good source to make an official diagnosis.

Usually a GP will order an ESR/sed rate & CPR for labs, along with ANA testing. None of these are used solely to make a diagnosis for RA, they are just tools to see what is going on. People can have a positive & negative ANA & have nothing wrong. Steroids are used for all types of inflammation in the body. They should not be used long term because of the side effects.

A good rheumatologist will run his/her own set of labs including including what you hve already had done. These labs will be much in depth than what your GP ordered, such as an anti-CCP antibodies & many others. Imaging is often done to check for joint issues.

I know it is frustrating not having an answer, however, there is nothing wrong with advocating for medical care. Now a days we often have to do this to get the care we need.

Take care.
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jeanneac
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   Posted 1/28/2018 11:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I never had joint pain until I had colitis. The GI said I didn't have crohn's but I had another kind of colitis. I started having pain in all my joints and felt so bad. I had swollen hands and my toes hurt. Knees and neck too. My rheumatoid blood tests were negative but I had a high sed rate and ANA. So, the rheumatologist told me I had something called seronegative RA. They put me on prednisone at first and plaquenil. Now I am just on plaquenil. The rheumatologist really felt I had undiagnosed crohn's but in the meantime, I'd had a resection and felt much better so the GI said he was standing firm that I did not have crohn's. I had my resection 7 years ago and so far, so good. I still seem to have joint issues and also got diagnosed with Sjogrens syndrome. Funny though, my prometheus test for crohn's (ASCA) was very high, so I still wonder.
you might try going gluten free, if you aren't already to see if that helps the joint pain. It helps me, so does fish oil.
My GI told me that it was quite common to get what he called garden variety inflammatory arthritis if you had inflammation in your gut. I hope you can get some relief soon. NSAIDS aren't the greatest for people with IBD. My GI told me never to take them again. Good luck!
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cyclinglady
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   Posted 1/30/2018 10:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Jean,

You might be on to something when you mentioned going gluten free. Researchers at Scripps in San Diego just studied the AIP diet (autoimmune) with IBD patients (both Crohn’s and Ulcerative Colitis). Participants stayed in the normal regime of medications. At the end of the study, 77% were in remission!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5647120/

Before going gluten free, I would recommend getting screened for celiac disease. I have celiac disease and Hashimoto’s. My niece has Crohn’s which is why I am interested in this subject.

Joint pain is also common with those who have celiac disease too.

Pattij39
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   Posted 2/11/2018 9:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Happyscrapper said...
I just wanted to let people know about a test that you may or may not be familiar with. There is a test called CCP that has been recently out on the market that is more specific for RA. As you know, not all patients with RA will have a positive RF (RA) test. CCP is a bit more specific than the RF test that is normally used to screen people with joint pain. If you have not had a CCP test done, ask your doctor about it. I do autoimmune testing in a laboratory. I am a medical technologist by trade and if I can answer any questions about lab tests, I would be happy to do so. I don't know all things, but I will answer what I can.



I also have joint pain, but I do not have RA. There are so many autoimmune diseases out there that it is difficult for even a very good rheum. to differentiate. The more common ones are "easier" to diagnose, but sometimes it can take years. I was diagnosed with connective tissue disease when I was 34. I am now 45, and still living with joint pain (especially my feet) and now I am having problems with my shoulders. My doctor has put me on a short stint with prednisone, and it really is helping. I have been dealing with this for awhile (chronic pain) like all of you, and it's a great confirmation that I am not going crazy. Most people who do not have chronic pain think it's all in your head (or at least that is the way they treat it). I don't like it, but you can't change the way people think. Anyway, thanks for listening. I hope you can get some answers. Wouldn't that be nice?


I have tested positive for RA but negative for the CCP test. My doctor said I Had osteoarthritis. This did not make sense to me. I had pain in the same joints on both sides. not normal with Osteo. But because the CCP was negative she said do not worry about the positive RA. After a few years a lots of $$.i gave up. But the pain started in again and I tried a new doctor. Wow what a difference. He looked at my find nails and said they all show signs of psoriatic arthritis. He told me the test are only a guide
And that they need to look at the person, listen to the symptoms, look at x rays and there are other tests that can help narrow down. He just ordered ANA test as well as, 14.3.3 ETA RA test and urine protein test.
And x rays of where it hurts.
If your doctor doesn’t listen to you, go to another doctor..
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