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   Posted 11/10/2005 8:29 PM (GMT -7)   
confused  I have a friend who is very dear to me and from reading articles on BP I really believe that he may have this condition.  I have tried to tallk to him in general. I have never mentioned BP, I  have just asked him to see someone.  He has fits of rage, depression, he is very high one minute and low the next.  His thoughts are not rational and he is sometimes talks about killing himself.  He can't focus on work, is distracted alot and I am not sure what to do.  He needs help and I would like to talk to him about it but I dont know exactly how to word it without him flipping out on me.  He owns his own business and believes that if he does not make it a success then he has nothing to live for.
Please Help,

Ellie 1
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   Posted 11/10/2005 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Your friend wouldn't be the first one to deny his illness. Whether or not he's bipolar only a trained professional could diagnose. Its fairly obvious he's in need of some help though. If he won't be persuaded by you to seek help, is there someone else that could speak with him? A mutal friend or family member?
Be prepared for his anger at your interference. If he doesn't believe anything is wrong he won't be instantly grateful for your concern. Denial is one of the common complications in this disorder, and it must be overcome before he'll reach for any help.
Good luck to you
Take care

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   Posted 11/11/2005 6:08 AM (GMT -7)   

Whoa, he sounds like a mess!  Those sound like some of the hallmark signs alright, but Ellie is right, he will need to get professional help to be accurately diagnosed; BP is a very difficult illness to diagnose, mainly becuase the denial factor is so high, we only seek help when we're terribly depressed, then most docs just throw an antidepressant at us, which send us into more mania, because they don't screen for BP and we can't have them without a mood stabilizer.   It's very complicated even once we're diagnosed because we usually need about 4-5 meds (cocktail) to really get better; there are many more facets then up or down with us - obsessive/compulsive among all types of personality disorders, terrible anxiety, even psychosis which all need different types of meds and usually the first meds aren't the right ones, blah blah blah.  It takes LOTS of perserverance on OUR part to get it right; it's not an exact science, it's an art!  Better have a really good psychiatrist, not a GP to get it treated really successfully and work WITH them.  I'm sorry your friend is denying anything wrong, but Ellie is spot on about the denial.  If you are VERY close and I mean VERY close, you might say something, but don't mention the word bipolar, he will get really mad.   Just say you're worried about him, he seems to be having problems and might want to see the doctor about it to get some relief and help him concentrate better on his business.  Some docs will suspect something, maybe if he's really bad they will suspect it and send him to a therapist (which they almost ALWAYS catch it) or a pdoc (psychiatrist).  Although he probably wont' go.   Sometimes, we have to do something really bad, which ALL of us do if manic that we pay for dearly or lose the people we love due to our outrageous behaviour and abuse of our loved ones before we get help.   It does help if all the people he loves say something out of love and concern and word it gently.

Sorry my post is so long, we all tend to ramble too, lol.  Besides being up or down, I'm going to post a list of the other symptoms of mania; mania has to have been present to be diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, not just depression. 

Bipolar disorder in one word:  Intensity

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Date Joined Aug 2005
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   Posted 11/11/2005 6:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Clove, Depression can make you strike out at the world because you are so conflicted inside, and so Ellie and Psychnurse are right, only a proffessional can say whether or not your friend is biopolar. He is very lucky to have a friend that cares so much that they are willing to do research to help. You are very inspiring.

My suggestion is to find a time when he is calm and collected, there must be some, and talk gently to him, maybe about your own problems first. That way he won't feel attacked. I do know that bipolar or depressed when it is something you can't control that in itself comes with a lot of guilt. Be gentle, be kind, eventually he'll listen.

Good luck,


BP brings new meaning to Life's Little Ups and Downs

Post Edited (Arenace) : 11/11/2005 7:04:55 AM (GMT-7)

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   Posted 11/11/2005 7:01 AM (GMT -7)   

Here is the symptoms list that may be helpful to you; sorry so long I posted it on another thread by accident! confused

Major Signs & Symptoms Mania Hypomania
  • Exaggerated self-confidence and optimism

  • Decreased need for sleep without loss of energy

  • More talkative than usual

  • Sense that thoughts are racing

  • Distractibility and difficulty focusing

  • Increase in goal-directed activities or in nonproductive activities (pacing, squirming, and so on)

  • Planning and carrying out potentially risky activities (foolish business investments, reckless driving, sexual indiscretions, spending sprees)

Consists of three or more symptoms if mood is elated or expansive,
or four or more if
mood is irritable

May or may not
include delusions or hallucinations

May or may not need hospitalization to prevent harming yourself
or others

Without hospitalization, symptoms must be present for at least
one week

With hospitalization, symptoms may be present for
length of time

Consists of three or more symptoms if mood is elated or expansive,
or four or more if
mood is irritable

May not
include delusions or hallucinations

Symptoms present for
at least four days

Bipolar disorder in one word:  Intensity

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